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CU Guru [1655]
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One picture kinda sums up the game
Nov 7, 2022, 12:44 PM
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I posted this on another thread but this is where almost threw my shoe at the TV. Situational football.
4th and 4... ball on the ND 38 yard line. Score is 7-0 at this point. We need 4 yards, repeat we need 4 yards. DJ we need 4 yards. Where are your receivers and where is your checkdown?
ND rushed 5, delayed blitz for 6 rushers, dropped the LB's out. Man on both receivers with over the top coverage on the wide side and one D player I can't see, likely a single high safety playing well off the ball.
O-Line holds protection.
Mahfa out of the backfield WIDE OPEN, WIDE OPEN for what should be an easy pitch and catch for a first down minimum and momentum.
DJ is locked on the deep ball, not a wide open receiver deep a covered receiver deep.
The situational play is to take the short high percentage pass and find your checkdown, he's in white 7 yards in front of you...
Not even in the same zip code on the long ball...
I think this play summed it up... this could have been an answer to the gift we gave them on the punt and kept the defense off the field and their defense on the field.
PS. Entire sequence is posted below.
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Athletic Dir [865]
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Looks so bad it must be photo shop***
Nov 7, 2022, 12:45 PM
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Orange Blooded [2351]
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Same
Nov 7, 2022, 12:49 PM
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I about lose it when see this occasionally on 3rd and short. But on 4th, when an incompletion equals an INT returned back to LOS, it’s just dumb.
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All-TigerNet [10572]
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i thought you were going to say 78 holding DE
Nov 7, 2022, 12:53 PM
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and we still couldn't win the line of scrimmage
Face it, we took a beating. The kind where you just get on the plane and go home.
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Legend [17778]
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Blasphemy. Clemson OL NEVER holds***
Nov 8, 2022, 6:56 AM
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Orange Blooded [3568]
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Re: i thought you were going to say 78 holding DE
Nov 9, 2022, 4:46 AM
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Yea thats hands to the face not holding. Also the OL didn't do a bad job giving DJ time he just holds the ball too bamn long.
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Sickening***
Nov 7, 2022, 12:55 PM
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110%er [6982]
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DJ gets the yips, Doesn’t let the game come to him
Nov 7, 2022, 12:58 PM
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Same condition that causes the 60% three-point shooter to miss free throws, star soccer player to miss a wide-open goal, and a golfer to miss a 2 foot putt. I’m not sure the answer is, he just seems to be a head case.
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Orange Blooded [2987]
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Re: DJ gets the yips, Doesn’t let the game come to him
Nov 7, 2022, 1:11 PM
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DJ is officially in 2021 form. The first few games of 2022 we were all hopeful as we saw he “wasn’t as bad”. He’s not been good but was he marginal enough to be serviceable and let the D carry the day.
Well….he’s not. And the D can’t carry the day. So; if we can’t win with him, let’s switch to Cade and take a chance and begin building at same time for next year.
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All-TigerNet [10572]
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Its called DOUBT
Nov 7, 2022, 2:49 PM
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when in that split second you let doubt, failure, distrust or any other negative enter in then all bets are off
I know. I have missed a lot of 3 foot putts.
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The defender was also holding Collins on that play...
Nov 7, 2022, 12:59 PM
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While I agree with you, that play should have resulted in PI call and an automatic first down.
I said at the time, if you need just 4 yards, why thrown it 40 yards down field in the wind. Play the percentages.
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Re: The defender was also holding Collins on that play...
Nov 7, 2022, 3:12 PM
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where was the PI?
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In the military, they call it "target fixation"***
Nov 7, 2022, 1:01 PM
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Re: One picture kinda sums up the game
Nov 7, 2022, 1:12 PM
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This is why some of the blame has to go on DJ. Yes, I agree Streeter calls terrible and redundant plays, but there are several fundamental things that DJ gets wrong consistently. He throws off platform, even when he's in the pocket. Most of his plays only involve one read (lack of trust from coaches), yet he consistently throws to the first route without even checking down (see original poster's pic). He doesn't throw the ball with touch on most throws, even screens. With the slightest pressure, he takes his eyes from downfield to the pressure (you have to keep scanning downfield).
These are all things that most QB learn after 3-4 years in a program. Some guys know it before they get to college thanks to all the camps they attend, offseason practices, 7 on 7 tourneys, etc. Part of the problem with big guys is they slack on fundamentals because they can cruise on size and athleticism in HS. If he hasn't learned this stuff by now, he probably won't. Maybe it's that our coaches don't work as consistently on fundamentals, but I'm sure all these things are worked on to some degree.
At this point, I just want to beat SC. Put in Cade, let him practice with the 1's, and let him play a whole game. DJ doesn't mean guaranteed victories vs Louisville or Miami. Despite what we've seen in games, if you go back and look at film, Cade has much better fundamentals and he throws a more catchable ball.
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Orange Blooded [2110]
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"You don't go broke by making a profit"***
Nov 7, 2022, 1:13 PM
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nmm
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110%er [6611]
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He would have overthrown him.
Nov 7, 2022, 1:15 PM
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yep.
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Orange Blooded [3397]
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Re: One picture kinda sums up the game
Nov 7, 2022, 1:18 PM
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DJ likely wouldn't have seen Mafah even if he was waving an IPTAY flag.
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Re: One picture kinda sums up the game
Nov 7, 2022, 2:11 PM
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that's brutal...
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Sorry but DJ is not a good QB, can’t read defenses or his progressions***
Nov 7, 2022, 1:23 PM
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So throw a -1 yard pass
Nov 7, 2022, 1:25 PM
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with 5 LBs lurking behind?
What was behind Phil M?
Need to show the complete photo before I will agree on this one.
You may be 100% correct, but your photo doesn't prove it out for me.
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Re: So throw a -1 yard pass
Nov 7, 2022, 2:26 PM
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Go back and watch the play. No one within 15 yards of Mafah. I saw it yesterday when re-watching the game
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Re: So throw a -1 yard pass
Nov 7, 2022, 2:53 PM
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A -1 yard pass??? Mafah is 1 step from the first down line with nobody near him.
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Legend [15749]
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No, that orange line is LOS. LTG was yellow for both teams,
Nov 7, 2022, 3:04 PM
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and then the LOS was associated with the school (orange for Clemson, blue for ND). NBC...bunch of weirdos. 
So yes, he would have needed 5 yard for a first down but this post prompted me to go back and watch the play and he is correct. PM would have (in my opinion) easily gained five yards after the catch. LBs blitzed and secondary was way downfield. Also, if you watch the play, you'll never see DJ's head facing anything but the right side of the field. Possible he'd see him out of the corner of his eye but no visible indication that he was checking any other option.
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CU Guru [1655]
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Re: No, that orange line is LOS. LTG was yellow for both teams,
Nov 7, 2022, 3:16 PM
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that also shows he does not look the d backers off his target... that is not top level QB play. He gets plenty of coaching both in and out of the program so what am I missing?
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CU Guru [1746]
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No the OP is correct....
Nov 7, 2022, 2:58 PM
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I went and watched the play about 5 times. He locked in to Collins side the entire time and threw it deep with a safety lurking overtop. Granted, had he made a good throw (overthrow by 5-7 yards) it may have worked out, but its wreckless to make that throw there. The other options weren't there either.
They sent both backers for a total of 6 rushing and Mafah was wide open running past the marker...he probably catches it and makes it to at least the 25 yd line before making contact or having to juke a guy.
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Re: No the OP is correct....
Nov 7, 2022, 3:08 PM
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yep, they sold out and left the middle open...
O-Line did a great job picking up the blitz.
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Re: So throw a -1 yard pass
Nov 7, 2022, 3:04 PM
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There was no one that was going to close that gap to a first down if he catches it... I said get the first and keep the drive going not score a touchdown...
I just re watched the play and they brought 6 not 5, 1 delayed blitz and the line picked it up.
Collins had a half step, perfect pass maybe a completion but the CB also had safety help. But again situational football.
Where do you think there was PI? Nothing evident on the TV replay?
Here is play development, DJ is looking at one place the entire time.
here is the entire sequence, does this help?
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Orange Blooded [4966]
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That's what you get when your QB
Nov 7, 2022, 2:31 PM
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Can't go through his progressions or read a defense.
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Re: That's what you get when your QB
Nov 7, 2022, 10:25 PM
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agree, I'm curious if he even has progressions
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Re: One picture kinda sums up the game
Nov 7, 2022, 2:52 PM
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But he’s lost 30 pounds and he’s the guy, our guy, he’s the team leader!
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Re: One picture kinda sums up the game
Nov 7, 2022, 10:35 PM
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Kyle Richardson in his presser today was asked about this play. He said all short options were “covered up”. He must have missed something. ?
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Re: One picture kinda sums up the game
Nov 8, 2022, 6:48 AM
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Guys please! Yes, this is a glaring example of a missed opportunity by DJ but there were way more problems in this game than DJs ability to find an open receiver. You could easily cherry pick dozens of mishaps by other players and most certainly the coaches. Bashing DJ and singling him for this loss is absurd...in my opinion. Having said that, I believe there is a chance that CK, given a fair opportunity may be able to mask some of the season long deficiencies in play calling, missed blocking and inability of receivers to separate from defenders. He's certainly more mobile than DJ. It's time for Dabo to let CK see more playing time earlier in the game...
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Re: One picture kinda sums up the game
Nov 9, 2022, 3:26 AM
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No one is "bashing DJ" (at least not me) simply pointing out what has been an obvious trend for over a year now, going all the way back to last year. He does not see the field or he does nothing with his head, his body or his targets that make you think he's going thru progressions or looking off defenders. I think we have seen what DJ's current ceiling is. I will say I don;t know what his progressions are, but apparently a wide open checkdown back was not one of them.
And to the original post, that play cemented the early turnovers and gave ND all the momentum. It was a turning point, the punt block returned for TD was not the turning point. It's situational football, take what the defense gives you. We needed a fist down, he threw it to a receiver that maybe had a half step on the defender, and it was not even close.
What we all have to realize is he is exactly what we see on the field. I have resigned myself to that fact after thinking he would snap out of it and be the QB we all were hoping and expecting him to be.
He is a great kid, its a talent evaluation not an indictment on his character or what a class act and fabulous role model he is.
Now from a football perspective, do we just this out or do we see what Cade actually has if he gets some realistic playing time?
We got another highly rated QB coming in next year that is going to want his time on the field as well.
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He chooses to make a non competitive throw
Nov 8, 2022, 6:53 AM
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Because he’s afraid to compete. Doesn’t trust himself and would rather just leave it up to fate.
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If DJ is better than Cade we have more problems than...
Nov 8, 2022, 7:12 AM
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solutions. I just find it difficult to believe DJ is better than anyone.
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Re: If DJ is better than Cade we have more problems than...
Nov 8, 2022, 7:20 AM
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I believe we recruited a 5 star lemon
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