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Rock Defender [54]
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Biden and DOJ all over the Buffalo shooting
May 15, 2022, 12:42 PM
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If that ain’t a hate crime, I don’t know what is…***
May 15, 2022, 12:51 PM
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usually murder is hate on every level***
May 15, 2022, 3:33 PM
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That's not what hate crime means.***
May 15, 2022, 9:47 PM
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Re: That's not what hate crime means.***
May 16, 2022, 1:44 PM
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The dooshnozzle murderer identified himself as a fascist,
May 15, 2022, 12:51 PM
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White supremacist, and anti-Semite. He wrote an 180 page manifesto about the evils of the declining white population and 11 of his 13 victims were black. If this isn’t a hate crime what do you think it is?
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Re: The dooshnozzle murderer identified himself as a fascist,
May 15, 2022, 1:21 PM
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Re: The dooshnozzle murderer identified himself as a fascist,
May 15, 2022, 1:25 PM
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Re: The dooshnozzle murderer identified himself as a fascist,
May 15, 2022, 1:29 PM
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Re: The dooshnozzle murderer identified himself as a fascist,
May 15, 2022, 2:01 PM
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He's being charged with Terrorism.
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Re: The dooshnozzle murderer identified himself as a fascist,
May 15, 2022, 2:57 PM
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Re: The dooshnozzle murderer identified himself as a fascist,
May 15, 2022, 3:33 PM
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You were whining about terrorism charges in your OP. You're struggling today.
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Re: The dooshnozzle murderer identified himself as a fascist,
May 15, 2022, 2:56 PM
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Re: The dooshnozzle murderer identified himself as a fascist,
May 15, 2022, 3:32 PM
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And your link proves what exactly? I'll wait.
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it only matters what you’re thinking when you leave the house, not when
May 15, 2022, 3:35 PM
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you’re committing the crime. that’s a new one.
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Re: it only matters what you’re thinking when you leave the house, not when
May 15, 2022, 3:50 PM
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For it to be a hate crime, you have to prove that he killed those people because they were white.
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Re: it only matters what you’re thinking when you leave the house, not when
May 15, 2022, 3:58 PM
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well, he certainly seems to adore white people, so that will be tough.
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I don't care what Biden chooses to comment on what
May 15, 2022, 3:25 PM
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Interested me was that you believed someone was overreacting when they termed this heinous crime a hate crime and terrorism. That the exstinguishment of 10 lives because of the color of their skin wasn't important enough to merit those terms. That says more about you than it does the president or law enforcement.
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Re: I don't care what Biden chooses to comment on what
May 15, 2022, 3:35 PM
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Re: I don't care what Biden chooses to comment on what
May 15, 2022, 3:52 PM
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You're clearly butthurt because this was correctly labeled a hate crime. You're struggling today
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Calling it a hate crime does nothing
May 15, 2022, 4:15 PM
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10 counts of murder in the first degree and 500 hate crimes on top of it does nothing. Nothing changes. He will get life in prison with no parole no matter what. He will die in prison.
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Re: Calling it a hate crime does nothing
May 15, 2022, 4:50 PM
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Tell that to the OP since he's the one triggered by all this and needs a fresh tampon.
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You can potentially be given the death penalty for federal
May 15, 2022, 5:10 PM
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Hate crime murder; it's the sentence that was handed down to Dylan Roof. NY does not have the death penalty.
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Re: What's that trick? Empathy?
May 15, 2022, 7:01 PM
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Re: What's that ... Empathy?: Geech R U white?
May 15, 2022, 9:37 PM
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Geech72, are you white?
This has something to do with this particular post of yours.
Thanks.
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Re: What's that trick? Empathy?
May 17, 2022, 10:48 AM
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OK, I'll be direct.
Geech, if you're a white dude, then you cannot be empathetic to the (perceived or actual) racial injustices experienced by black people.
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Re: Biden and DOJ all over the Buffalo shooting
May 15, 2022, 7:32 PM
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EXACTLY the right question.
See this thread (caution - verbose)...
https://www.tigernet.com/clemson-forum/thread/systems-are-complex-2153316?tstart=0
Biden and the left are pushing more criticism of whites. They understand this criticism naturally causes the fringe right to expand, and as it expands these people will pop out and do this.
And, the left sees the result (whites killing blacks) as political gain.
So, we have a SYSTEM where one side in power takes actions and sees a positive effect. Positive in their view because it proves them right (in their mind) that white supremacists are the blah blah blah. And it proves to the black voters that they (democrats) are the only ones that can help them, so it helps ensure a black block vote for dems.
So, what will intercede in this system to change it? Biden said he was going to be a unifier - he's not, but that would have been a good start.
Folks, this is dirt simple - the left knows they can cause the effect and it will keep happening until something sucks the energy out of the feedback loops. Too much division driven by social media and the left's thirst for power and their agenda of fundamental transformation.
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Nice. Did you extract this post from the
May 15, 2022, 8:42 PM
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Shooter’s manifesto?
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Re: Nice. Did you extract this post from the
May 17, 2022, 10:51 AM
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Oh boy ... an attempt at a clever deflection from a topic that you really don't want to understand.
Not too funny, though; get some new material.
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Re: Biden and DOJ all over the Buffalo shooting
May 15, 2022, 9:10 PM
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This whole thread is absolutely bonkers. You people need Jesus.
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I think when you criticize the POTUS for commenting....
May 16, 2022, 8:23 AM
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and the DOJ for pursuing a hate crime charge in a situation like this...that's a pretty good indicator that you have completely lost your perspective.
Come on man...of all the things to criticize an administration on...can't we all get behind that this was a heinous crime and that it was deserving of comment from the POTUS? (and I'm putting aside here that I'm not a supporter of the idea of "hate crimes")
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Re: I think when you criticize the POTUS for commenting....
May 16, 2022, 12:29 PM
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Just to confirm
May 16, 2022, 12:43 PM
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Hold up...my memory may not be perfect on this....
May 16, 2022, 2:50 PM
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and I didn't look it all up, but I think the Waukesha parade thing was Thanksgiving week. I can buy the line from the WH that they didn't want to touch down there during a holiday. A Presidential visit places a pretty big toll on local resources. I just don't see it as he's going to Buffalo because the shooter was white.
I think the 1st Lady did go there a couple of weeks later, right?
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Re: I think when you criticize the POTUS for commenting....
May 16, 2022, 12:54 PM
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The only thing you can find in this terrible tragedy is your white grievance that the POTUS and DOJ are rightfully calling this a hate crime. Sad, but expected.
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Re: I think when you criticize the POTUS for commenting....
May 16, 2022, 12:56 PM
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Re: I think when you criticize the POTUS for commenting....
May 16, 2022, 1:36 PM
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I'm correct. You are wailing that Biden called this a hate crime. Prove me wrong.
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Is there is a specific mass shooting that....
May 16, 2022, 2:55 PM
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Biden didn't comment on that you're basing these remarks on?
As for the California shooting, I had to look it up. This sounds incredibly callous, but if I'm looking at the correct report, that was 1 person shot in a church during a reception. Isn't that fairly (and unfortunately)....commonplace in America now?
I don't really like measuring "importance" on things like this, but a white supremist killing 10 people while live streaming it...likely warrants Presidential attention that a single shooting victim does not. As sad of a state of affairs as that is.
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Re: Is there is a specific mass shooting that....
May 16, 2022, 2:59 PM
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Re: Is there is a specific mass shooting that....
May 16, 2022, 3:29 PM
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Well then be specific....
May 16, 2022, 3:31 PM
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in your opinion, what is the bar for Presidential comment?
You seem to be suggesting that the POTUS comment every time someone is shot...or is it 1 person shot in a church?
You don't see any difference in scale or import between the church shooting you're referencing and the grocery store shooting in Buffalo.
If I put myself in Biden's shoes, I can certain see issuing a comment statement on the Buffalo shooting and not the other one.
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Re: Well then be specific....
May 16, 2022, 3:35 PM
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Define the bar please***
May 16, 2022, 3:38 PM
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Re: Define the bar please***
May 16, 2022, 3:39 PM
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No, I don't think one person killing one person...
May 16, 2022, 4:14 PM
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is on the same scale as one person killing 10 (I think) people.
Maybe they're comparable...which is why I asked you to define your bar for Presidential involvement.
You seem to have a bar established...why not share/verbalize it?
Don't just quit the conversation because you have a different opinion.
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As an FYI, on Special Report last night...
May 17, 2022, 9:27 AM
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lead story was still the Buffalo shooting. I watched the first 15 or so minutes and the California shooting wasn't mentioned.
I would say that's a decent indicator that others also don't consider them to be at the same level of importance/relevance.
Again...I think they're both horrible events. I just think a case can be made that the POTUS isn't being completely political by commenting and visiting the site of one and not the other.
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Re: As an FYI, on Special Report last night...
May 17, 2022, 10:44 AM
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I never said it wasn't discussed on FNC....
May 17, 2022, 11:41 AM
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I'm just pointing out that it was clearly a story that was 2nd in nature to the Buffalo story on Special Report (FNC straight news show). Can we at least agree on that?
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Re: I never said it wasn't discussed on FNC....
May 17, 2022, 11:46 AM
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Has Biden called out Republicans over Buffalo shooting?....
May 17, 2022, 1:02 PM
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if he has, then I completely agree with you/disagree with him on that.
As for the NYC subway shootings, no one was killed, right? As callous as it may sounds, I think the number of people killed is factor, don't you?
Let me ask you this...does the POTUS visiting a place where people have been killed by shooting, or killed/homes destroyed by storms...mean that the POTUS is politicizing the event?
I read a summary of Biden's comments in Buffalo and didn't see any reference to Republicans. Did you?
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Re: Has Biden called out Republicans over Buffalo shooting?....
May 17, 2022, 3:18 PM
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I think his visit is good and likely helps the victims....
May 17, 2022, 1:48 PM
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which is all that should really matter right now.
Also, answering a question as to if Biden said something with "no but the media did" is a bit confusing. Assigning questions/statements from the media to the POTUS seems like a big stretch to me.
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Re: I think his visit is good and likely helps the victims....
May 17, 2022, 1:56 PM
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Because the POTUS can't visit every shooting victim....
May 17, 2022, 2:00 PM
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you do get that, right?
Had there ever been a POTUS how either visits no-one or everyone? This line of reasoning seems to be ridiculous.
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1 out of 202 events YTD
May 17, 2022, 2:01 PM
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There have been 202 mass shootings in 2022?....
May 17, 2022, 2:07 PM
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I'm not sure that's true....but I'm pretty sure 10 deaths is by far the deadliest YTD.
And now we've come full-circle in the argument. Using your "logic" Biden visited the Kentucky tornado victims in December and since he didn't go to every town impacted by a tornado in 2021, that Kentucky trip was political pandering.
You think Biden is scoring political points off of a tragedy and I don't.
We can just leave it at that.
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Re: There have been 202 mass shootings in 2022?....
May 17, 2022, 2:12 PM
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That "10" in the 4th column sticks out amongst...
May 17, 2022, 2:33 PM
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the mostly 0 and 1's....which is my point.
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Re: That "10" in the 4th column sticks out amongst...
May 17, 2022, 2:39 PM
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Re: Moving goalposts? Dang man...the scale of the killings...
May 17, 2022, 3:35 PM
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Re: Well then be specific....
May 16, 2022, 3:49 PM
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ok...draw the line on some basis...
May 16, 2022, 4:17 PM
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on that list.
You seem to be saying that if Biden didn't comment on all of those, that he shouldn't comment on any of those, regardless of number of people killed, nature of shooting, etc...
Is that what you're saying?
I just don't get the criticism here.
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Re: ok...draw the line on some basis...
May 16, 2022, 4:30 PM
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Karine Jean-Pierre didn't agree with her on a....
May 16, 2022, 4:19 PM
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specific name she lobbed out, did she?
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Re: Karine Jean-Pierre didn't agree with her on a....
May 16, 2022, 4:34 PM
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Re: Hate Crime cases can you remember with black perpetrator
May 17, 2022, 11:01 AM
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Can anyone cite a Hate Crime case when a black person was convicted as the perpetrator?
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They should be. And unless Biden starts saying poop like
May 16, 2022, 1:25 PM
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"That's why we can't elect Republicans", then he's not pandering. I actually don't recall which mass shooting locations he's visited and which one's he has not. (Did he go to Colorado?)
edit: On second thought, there's a smidge of pandering going on...
The shootings with black perps seem to be just basic "shoot everybody" situations.
The DOJ has to investigate this as a hate crime - it fits the definition perfectly.
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