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A new Civil War? Some tin-foil here
Jul 7, 2018, 12:03 PM
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But lotta Troof, too!
By Jack Minzey Author and Eastern Michigan professor
Civil War How do civil wars happen? Two or more sides disagree on who runs the country. And they can't settle the question through elections because they don't even agree that elections are how you decide who's in charge. That's the basic issue here. Who decides who runs the country? When you hate each other but accept the election results, you have a country. When you stop accepting election results, you have a countdown to a civil war. The Mueller investigation is about removing President Trump from office and overturning the results of an election. We all know that. But it's not the first time they've done this. The first time a Republican president was elected this century, they said he didn't really win. The Supreme Court gave him the election. There's a pattern here. What do sure odds of the Democrats rejecting the next Republican president really mean? It means they don't accept the results of any election that they don't win. It means they don't believe that transfers of power in this country are determined by elections. That's a civil war. There's no shooting. At least not unless you count the attempt to kill a bunch of Republicans at a charity baseball game practice. But the Democrats have rejected our system of government. This isn't dissent. It's not disagreement. You can hate the other party. You can think they're the worst thing that ever happened to the country. But then you work harder to win the next election When you consistently reject the results of elections that you don't win, what you want is a dictatorship. Your very own dictatorship. The only legitimate exercise of power in this country, according to Democrats, is its own. Whenever Republicans exercise power, it's inherently illegitimate. The Democrats lost Congress. They lost the White House. So what did they do? They began trying to run the country through Federal judges and bureaucrats. Every time that a Federal judge issues an order saying that the President of the United States can't scratch his own back without his say so, that's the civil war. Our system of government is based on the constitution, but that's not the system that runs this country. The Democrat's system is that any part of government that it runs gets total and unlimited power over the country. If the Democrats are in the White House, then the president can do anything. And I mean anything. He can have his own amnesty for illegal aliens. He can fine you for not having health insurance. His power is unlimited. He's a dictator. But when Republicans get into the White House, suddenly the President can't do anything. He isn't e ven allowed to undo the illegal alien amnesty that his predecessor illegally invented. A Democrat in the White House has 'discretion' to completely decide every aspect of immigration policy. A Republican doesn't even have the discretion' to reverse him. That's how the game is played That's how our country is run. Sad but true, although the left hasn't yet won that particular fight. When a Democrat is in the White House, states aren't even allowed to enforce immigration law. But when a Republican is in the White House, states can create their own immigration laws. Under Obama, a state wasn't allowed to go to the bathroom without asking permission. But under Trump, Jerry Brown can go around saying that California is an independent republic and sign treaties with other countries. The Constitution has something to say about that. Whether it's Federal or State, Executive, Legislative or Judiciary, the left moves power around to run the country If it controls an institution, then that institution is suddenly the supreme power in the land. This is what I call a moving dictatorship. Donald Trump has caused the Shadow Government to come out of hiding: Professional government is a guild. Like medieval guilds You can't serve in if you're not a member. If you haven't been indoctrinated into its arcane rituals. If you aren't in the club. And Trump isn't in the club. He brought in a bunch of people with him who also are NOT in the club. Now we're seeing what the pros do when amateurs try to walk in on them. They spy on them, they investigate them and they send them to jail. They use the tools of power to bring them down. That's not a free country. It's not a free country when FBI agents wh o support Hillary take out an 'insurance policy' against Trump winning the election. It's not a free country when Obama officials engage in massive unmasking of the opposition. It's not a free country when the media responds to the other guy winning by trying to ban the conservative media that supported him from social media. It's not a free country when all of the above collude together to overturn an election because the guy who wasn't supposed to win... WON. Have no doubt. We are in a civil war. This war is between conservative volunteer government and a leftist Democrat professional government.
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Re: A new Civil War? Some tin-foil here
Jul 7, 2018, 12:14 PM
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We just need a better leader that isn't so divisive. I bet if Kasich were POTUS there would be no "civil war".
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You have to agree that a lot of his “divisiveness”
Jul 7, 2018, 12:19 PM
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Would be tempered if the MSM weren’t so vile with their treatment of him...
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Re: You have to agree that a lot of his “divisiveness”
Jul 7, 2018, 12:24 PM
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I think he brings most of it on himself and it's well deserved. The MSM could blow it off like Fox does, but that's pretty much state run news at the moment imo. I agree that the MSM would go after any Repub more than a Dem, but the extreme level of where it is today is due to Trump's words and actions.
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Disagree strongly. Most of his rhetoric that you refer to
Jul 7, 2018, 12:30 PM
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Is his response to negative reporting, Hollywood snowflake attacks, etc.
What about to main gist of the article? There is a degree of embedded institutional opposition to the GOP thru judges and government lifers....
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Re: Disagree strongly. Most of his rhetoric that you refer to
Jul 7, 2018, 12:45 PM
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I have never witnessed a more classless abrasive POTUS in my time as far as the way he carries himself publicly. I am sure behind closed doors there have been much worse. He was just ragging on people claiming to be sexual assault victims I believe yesterday. He isn't dignified. As far as the article, it wouldn't surprise me if there is a degree of embedded institutional opposition to the GOP thru judges and government lifers. Who knows? That said, I think it is the level of where it is today strictly because of Trump's divisive nature. I think when we get a dignified better Republican leader it will be nothing similar. It could exist, but it will be to a lesser degree.
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Lol, ya no.
Jul 7, 2018, 12:49 PM
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The coverage of him has been nothing short of insane.
And Obama was the most divisive President I've seen. He set race relations back 1000 yrs.
But I don't expect u to agree. Funny how that works
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Re: Lol, ya no.
Jul 7, 2018, 12:56 PM
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Obama didn't set race relations back a bit. The racists just got more vocal.
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Until Trump, Obama’s was easily the most divisive president of
Jul 7, 2018, 1:08 PM
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my lifetime. What struck me was that he was the first President I can remember that consistently portrayed his policies as “us vs them”. I don’t remember either Bush or Clinton ever doing that, except for Clinton with the impeachment stuff, and that was understandable.
Trump takes it to a whole other level. You can justify it any way you want with regard to the media’s treatment of him. But he can control his own narrative, more so than any other president through his decision to actively engage in Twitter, and he chooses to be extremely confrontational and antagonistic.
This is just my opinion, but the last two presidents have been very tribal In their approach to leadership, and that’s not a good trend.
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LOL. It really started getting nasty with Bush l and Lee
Jul 7, 2018, 1:21 PM
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Atwater, and I liked Bush. Clinton and Carvell etc. were the dems answer.
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I mean, there’s always nastiness. I don’t remember a sitting President
Jul 7, 2018, 1:53 PM
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consistently creating a divisive tone among Americans before these last two Presidents.
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Re: I mean, there’s always nastiness. I don’t remember a sitting President
Jul 7, 2018, 1:57 PM
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WHat did Obama do exactly?
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The nation's first African American president was going to
Jul 7, 2018, 2:45 PM
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elicit this type of reaction from a large segment of the white population.
Even No Drama Obama.
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Sorry, I don’t have it documented to “win” internet discussions years after
Jul 7, 2018, 2:56 PM
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he leaves office. I saw his demeanor as it happened, but if you remember him differently, that’s cool. I don’t even mind Chucktown going straight to a racism argument. Honestly I expect it.
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Re: Sorry, I don’t have it documented to “win” internet discussions years after
Jul 7, 2018, 3:02 PM
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Demeanor? Okay. Seems like a stretch.
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That's because it is.***
Jul 7, 2018, 3:58 PM
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Oh. Did t miss it. Just didn’t seem like what you were
Jul 7, 2018, 4:24 PM
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responding to.
But if so, good deal.
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Link to quotes by Obama that caused race relations to be
Jul 7, 2018, 1:18 PM
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set back and I’m talking full quotes of everything he said, not a few words taken out of context.
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Huh?***
Jul 7, 2018, 8:42 PM
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Obama's blackness pissed a lot of white people off.
Jul 7, 2018, 2:44 PM
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That is the extent of his "divisiveness."
Those people found Trump's brazen racism appealing.
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Never been a president this vile:
Jul 7, 2018, 1:15 PM
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“My heroes are the ones who didn’t get captured.” “The cop at the high school is a coward.” “His wife is fat and ugly.”
The media is rough on any president, especially if he says so many vile stupid things, even presidents on the left who are hit hard over and over by the right wing media.
Welcome to the NFL, Mr. President.
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Women and people of color seem to be the targets of his
Jul 7, 2018, 2:51 PM
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most vitriolic and divisive statements.
His supporters find that appealing.
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Re: And yet watch the Democrats nominate Sanders, or
Jul 7, 2018, 1:08 PM
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It wouldn't surprise me a bit. That will just guarantee another term for Trump. I think he wins again anyway.
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When there’s no link it’s pretty obvious. I’m glad
Jul 7, 2018, 10:29 PM
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Bengaline at least had the courtesy to remove the Re:FWD:FWD from the subject though.
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I don’t really care who said this part
Jul 7, 2018, 9:59 PM
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It kinda sums up my whole thought on the trump experiment.
Donald Trump has caused the Shadow Government to come out of hiding: Professional government is a guild. Like medieval guilds You can't serve in if you're not a member. If you haven't been indoctrinated into its arcane rituals. If you aren't in the club. And Trump isn't in the club. He brought in a bunch of people with him who also are NOT in the club.
Always wondered how an “outsider” would do.
Mrs Fluff and I also wondered all along what would happen with a guy who may say anything at any time. Maybe he’s good at negotiating, maybe he’s blowing smoke. However, if he ticks off the wrong govt official it could be bad for the country.
Still consider it an experiment and hopefully based on the checks and balances he can’t do any irreversible harm.
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It's interesting how many Trumpies out there...
Jul 8, 2018, 11:27 PM
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Keep citing the possibility of civil war, and they always seem to do it with a little twinkle in their eye.
Why? Simple. They want to start killing and imprisoning people they don't agree with politically. "Liberals," as they think they are.
This column is a perfect example. Hint that the other side is traitorous or treasonous. Accuse them of what the Trump side really wants: A dictatorship. After all, 52 percent of Republicans want to skip the 2020 election and keep Trump as president.
Who wants a dictatorship now.
So, in summary, here's the recipe Trumpies (not traditional Republicans, so don't freak out, flow, cam, et al... I'm talking about the bengal/Memphis/Chesty crowd) want:
-Ultimately, they want civil war because they want a segment of the population killed or jailed to keep their political ideology in power. -They know that accusing the other side of treason or being traitors is the fastest route to this. -They know it has to be done before 2020. -All the things this Jack Minzey guy listed are things Trump and his side have already done, but he, of course, cleverly accuses the Democratic side of doing it. -They know if they can declare civil war, they can postpone the 2020 elections or at least limit who can vote in them.
The Trump supporters are on the full march to fascism. This is what they want.
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