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Necessity is the mother...
Nov 12, 2014, 9:45 AM
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of all innovation. It's true but perhaps you forgot. We have not had the need to reduce the bloated data that we stream all across the globe because we just keep making things faster with infrastructure investment. This can continue forever, right?
Imagine how clean programs would be if every bit mattered. Imagine how much more robust pc's would be if every function in every program had a specific and intended purpose with predictable results. Maybe DSL would even be fast. Imagine there was no cry for more speed and companies like the major ISP's would not have invested in bandwidth but rather in efficiency and, gasp, maybe a new OS and computer design that is not based on 30 year old tech and is fundamentally impervious to attack. Imagine a wave of browser innovation that does not require you to give up your soul just to view content on another computer (btw-screw you MS). All of that investment into a brave new world of computers that only do what we want and browsing without compromise. I'd buy it.
Nah, let's just stick to Billy's world of the inevitable hourly critical update of multiple apps that have control of way too much and keep buying off the politicians. We'll just keep making it faster...
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Oculus Spirit [81073]
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You should buy an AIX server.
Nov 12, 2014, 9:47 AM
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with a green screen terminal.
Its only about 40 year old technology, but it mostly works as you described.
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except that it does not have...
Nov 12, 2014, 10:02 AM
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a gui. IBM did create a new OS completely free of the old 8088 legacy restrictions but MS successfully killed that. Then, IBM contributed to problem by creating Java.
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if I understand you correctly
Nov 12, 2014, 10:08 AM
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you are complaining about technology that never existed before but when it was developed, it was developed incorrectly and you don't like it.
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Not the tech...
Nov 12, 2014, 10:19 AM
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but the way things are developed and the major developers' creation of back doors into our systems.
Here is a simple example:
Java was a way for a remote computer to make real time data inputs into fields on a form and have active updates to the HTML code so changes to a page were handled on the user's computer and not the hosts'. Of course it had other uses but this was the original need. This created the need for browsers to allow a page to open windows and retrieve information. It also allowed information to be changed on a remote computer. The door is now open.
What if MS had said no. What if they had said "if you want the user to open a program, you will need to do it some other way. We are not going to compromise the integrity of the OS for this. Perhaps the use of a data file written by a very simple program that sends a small text file over the web and the host must then use the data as is." I imagine the tech would be just as impressive if not more so than now. And, we need fewer updates. Oh yes, and we'd need fewer upgrades of our OS too! HMMM.
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Oculus Spirit [81073]
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Because they got sued.
Nov 12, 2014, 10:24 AM
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In '97 MS didn't even want to use Java, the way it was originally compiled. They were sued, and lost, and were forced to use it the way Sun said it needed to work.
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Ahh, I forgot that...
Nov 12, 2014, 10:29 AM
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but, when sticking to priciples and strong armed by government, it is time for malicious compliance! "We made it work but in the interest of prtecting our customers, it now is faster and more efficient to use our method because every exchange needs to go through our server to be verified. You wouldn't want us to make our customers victims of attackers, would you?"
Java dead.
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Oculus Spirit [81073]
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Java sucks.
Nov 12, 2014, 10:31 AM
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Period.
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java can't access your whole computer
Nov 12, 2014, 10:28 AM
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well, of course there are hackers that can do anything, but in general, java only have access to browser created directories.
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I must admit that...
Nov 12, 2014, 10:32 AM
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I don't understand every detail but I did go through the excercise of root cause analysis with a very knowlegable person in this area and the root cause is access due to web functionality. It is really that simple. Once, the only way a change could be made to your computer was by running a executable file or manually making a change from the interface.
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simple fact is, no matter what decisions were and are ever
Nov 12, 2014, 10:34 AM
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made in technology, nothing will ever be unhackable. Hackers get into the most secured, firewalled sites in the world. Thats just technology. Someone will always find a way to beat it.
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Oculus Spirit [81073]
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Ok..then Linux with a Gnome or KDE desktop
Nov 12, 2014, 10:26 AM
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You could boot an Ubuntu box off a USB memory stick.
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I actually have one of those...
Nov 12, 2014, 10:35 AM
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but have found that I cannot keep up with the open source updates to the browser etc to make every day use possible. When the screen looks more like Egyptian glyphs than text, it's not usefull. But, I can still use my freakin music! Take that music industry.
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Oculus Spirit [81073]
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Its been a while since I built one
Nov 12, 2014, 10:39 AM
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but I don't remember the browser updates being any more out of the ordinary than on a windows box.
1) Build barely desktop usable Linux box 2) Futz with NIC drivers for two hours, load Firefox 3) ??? 4) pR0n!
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This is what I love about the english language. I know all
Nov 12, 2014, 9:49 AM
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the words you just typed, but I have no idead what the #### you are rambling on about.
#poetic
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What do you love about Aero-speak?***
Nov 12, 2014, 9:52 AM
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He doesn't. He just loves
Nov 12, 2014, 10:15 AM
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you.
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interesting you mentioned...
Nov 12, 2014, 10:09 AM
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AutoCAD. Try this excercise sometime. Save a simple 2-D file and then export the exact same file to a DXF. A DXF is simply a text file and clearly demonstrates how the code is useful for file size reduction. Now, go back to an old Win3.1 machine running version 9 and do the same thing with the exact same drawing. WOW! Why is the new file 10 times bigger than the old one? The data is the same. But, AutoCAD is doing exactly the same thing as every other developer where they program using much faster tools but lots of unnecessary data goes along for the ride.
Of particular note is the difference in file size using the version 9 package. The DXF is closer to 30 times bigger than the native file. At this rate, our native files will be no better than pure text very soon.
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You know what you should do
Nov 12, 2014, 10:13 AM
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Go write a SmplmanCad program and make it a better product. You make billions.
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lol, the DOTs and other organizations would reject it due to
Nov 12, 2014, 10:15 AM
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lack of lobbying money to line the right people's pockets.
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those evil libs running the gov.***
Nov 12, 2014, 10:17 AM
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Nah, I'm busy designing...
Nov 12, 2014, 10:22 AM
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better ways to handle waste gasses, filter particulates, re-use chemicals and use less energy. But, I'll admit that we are seriously lacking in the code writing area. I doubt we have many people left who even know what assembly language is.
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Did you study with Christos Christoforou at Clemson
Nov 12, 2014, 10:34 AM
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or Dr. Overcamp?
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CU Guru [1581]
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I had neither but...
Nov 12, 2014, 10:39 AM
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both sound familiar. I am an ME. There was an Over-something and I remember a Cristof....o something but can't quite make the connection. The best instructor there was not even a proffessor. His name is Riester and was a Phd as well as a PE but didn't care about the research so he had the title of instructor. I also liked Harry Law and a couple of others that I cannot remember just now.
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Both those were in Environmental Engineering Grad Program
Nov 12, 2014, 10:54 AM
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Both did research with air pollution. I worked with both in Grad school.
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I'm sure everybody can't wait for the highly pixelated ####
Nov 12, 2014, 10:41 AM
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that would result.
Seriously, you're delusional if you think that the amount of data that is created and needs to be transferred is ever going to decrease, even with the drastic improvements in compression algorithims over the last 30 years.
At issue is that companies are frequently using "innovate" to mean that they are trying to find new and more creative ways to separate you from your money. Bandwidth gets cheaper every year, the issue is that publicly held companies are unter the gun to increase quaterly revenue in the name of "growth," which is why you have the frankenstein of cable companies, Comcast. Just in recent memory, they acquired systems from US cable, Susquehanah, Adelphia, and AT&T Broadband. This wasn't done to provide customers with better service, but rather to increase subscriber counts, which are a key metric investors look at for cable companies, and one they report in every single earnings call.
An ISP like comcast innovates, by doing things like installing sandvine on their network, in order to kill off bitTorrent connections to users outside its network.
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Ironically, Charter's subscription base will actually grow
Nov 12, 2014, 10:44 AM
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due to the T-W/Comcast merger. Part of the SEC agreement was they would convert some subscribers to Charter in order to merge.
Charter will now be the 3rd largest cable company.
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I don't think we...
Nov 12, 2014, 10:50 AM
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disagree on the major problems but sometimes it is useful to step back and ask if the problems should even be solved in their present form. I agree that data rates must increase over time but bandwidth and speed increases will come. They just would not have come this fast and enabled the likes of comcast to do what they are doing now. A major reset is needed in the form of some other computing base and some other connection. True competition would turn comcast inside out.
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Oculus Spirit [81073]
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A/C powerline based internet.
Nov 12, 2014, 10:57 AM
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When the power companies are able to deliver it to homes, cable companies like comcast will be struggling to survive without government intervention.The home infrastructure is already in place.
I am using Ethernet over Power (EOP) now in my house and garage, over (on what the EOP unit manufacturer said should not work) a separate 60 amp sub panel to my garage. It works incredibly well, and I am able to stream movies and music through separate wireless router/AP perfectly.
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that's cool. I heard this...
Nov 12, 2014, 11:09 AM
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was coming and am encouraged. I wonder if the effects of inverters back to the grid has been studied enough to be confident in the data integrity. I also wonder about other effects. I need to investigate this more as I am not sure if this is a modulation technology or just multiple signals on common conductor.
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Oculus Spirit [81073]
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My understanding is the substations are where the problems
Nov 12, 2014, 11:17 AM
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are occurring. I don't the exact issues, but I think the packet routing is lost there.
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Data Rates DO NOT need to increase.
Nov 12, 2014, 11:22 AM
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Increase in data rates and metered usage is the result of an oligopoly, not a competitive market.
So, if you think there needs to be competition, why do data rates ($/GB) need to go up?
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