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Solve For Leaving The ACC and GOR
Mar 2, 2023, 3:17 PM
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1) FSU Leave the conference and get hit w/penalties etc
2) Clemson declares conference value built into GOR has markedly decreased and leaves the ACC w/o GOR penalty
3) FSU's GOR responsibility is likewise eliminated, only have to pay exit fee
4) Clemson and FSU just pay exit fees
ACC relegated to Group of 5
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Re: Solve For Leaving The ACC and GOR
Mar 2, 2023, 3:20 PM
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I’m curious from a legal standpoint, as a public institution, who had the authority to actually tie up these rights in such a manner. I imagine our state legislature could come up with a way to nullify it entirely. But probably too many coots at the Statehouse to actually do us any favors.
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Re: Solve For Leaving The ACC and GOR
Mar 2, 2023, 4:01 PM
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Clemson Athletics is not funded by and therefore not beholden to our State Legislature
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Re: Solve For Leaving The ACC and GOR
Mar 2, 2023, 5:31 PM
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Wrong. Every Clemson employee is a State employee. The state supported Universities could get each state legislature to pass legislation in each state that would nullify the ESPN contract and the GOR. The ACC and ESPN would have to follow the state laws or sue each state. I don't think they would want to do that. Until the Universities are serious about Football, and get aggressive, nothing is going to change. Most of the ACC schools don't give a dammmn about FB. So, FSU will be hung out to dry as I think Clemson is too afraid to rock the boat.
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Not related but a question.....
Mar 2, 2023, 8:38 PM
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There used to be a law in SC (I assume it's still on the books) that the governor had to be the highest paid state employee. Obviously, the coaches are paid much more than the governor. I assumed that perhaps on paper, the coaches are actually contractors to get around this. Do you know how that works?Or is it since the vast majority of their pay comes from Clemson Athletics that is not considered state compensation?
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Re: Solve For Leaving The ACC and GOR
Mar 2, 2023, 6:06 PM
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The overwhelming majority of operating expenses are paid through IPTAY but it is most certainly a public institution and the GOR goes much deeper than football.
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Clemson's BOT is unique
Mar 2, 2023, 4:03 PM
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It's made up of 7 self perpetuating successor members and only 6 members who are appointed by the SC General assembly. We have a lot more autonomy and it's how we can avoid some of the nonsense you see at that finishing school in Columbia. So, that set up might throw a wrench in any attempt by the state to invalidate a contract approved by our BOT.
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Re: Clemson's BOT is unique
Mar 2, 2023, 6:16 PM
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I think it would behoove Clemson in this situation to say “oops, our BOT overstepped their rights and this GOR is invalid”. I’m not claiming to have any insight into the GOR or its particularities. But I do have some experience with contracts across a range of industries and have seen some really poorly written contracts , even from high priced law firms. (I am not a lawyer - just had to deal with some really bad contracts in multiple settings).
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Re: Solve For Leaving The ACC and GOR
Mar 2, 2023, 6:16 PM
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When Maryland left, the ACC Presidents and ADs panicked and created the GOR to make sure no one else would leave. The problem is that the GOR is a bitter pill for any college wanting to join the ACC, except for less attractive colleges.
Surely by now, the ACC realizes this but understands how tricky it is to get rid of GOR without losing key colleges.
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Re: Solve For Leaving The ACC and GOR
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Mar 2, 2023, 6:50 PM
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The ACC can stay together by making the annual distribution a performance based system and give ND non-football sports the boot.
In 2021, the ACC paid out just over $540M which included a full share for ND because of COVID and ND playing as an ACC member in 2020. If you don't pay any more to ND for non-football sports that would leave $540+M for 14 schools. Take the $540 million revenue and split it between the schools as follows based on the "cash cow", football, performance:
ACC Conference Champion - $85M
ACC Runner-up - $75M
ACC 3rd - 6th place - $55M each ($220M)
ACC 7th - 10th - $25M each ($100M)
ACC 11th - 14th - $15M ($60M)
If 7th - 14th don't like it, the incentive is to improve their football programs and become competitive.
Cash for performance works. That's what the company I worked for did and many others do the same thing. In the mean time, ACC income should rise some and the current contract with GOR end date gets closer.
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Re: Solve For Leaving The ACC and GOR
Mar 2, 2023, 7:50 PM
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Yeah it did wonders for the Big 12.
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Re: Solve For Leaving The ACC and GOR
Mar 2, 2023, 7:22 PM
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I would imagine if Clemson and FSU left and paid the exit fee ESPN would pull the plug on the ACCN and dissolve the agreement to avoid losing mega money on a D1-AA football contract with no ability to sell advertising. That should get rid of the media rights second hit.
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