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Solid Orange [1301]
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So the shutdown is over
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Nov 10, 2025, 3:13 AM
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Well at least very soon as enough Dems finally crossed to end the outright foolishness.
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Solid Orange [1301]
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Re: So the shutdown is over
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Nov 10, 2025, 3:34 AM
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The best part is , for me, I no longer have to listen to Hakeem Jefferies imitate BHO speaking patterns.
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Solid Orange [1301]
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Re: So the shutdown is over
Nov 10, 2025, 4:58 AM
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So what exactly did the performative shutdown accomplish? Fetterman was right all along.
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Top TigerNet [30994]
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Re: So the shutdown is over
Nov 10, 2025, 5:17 AM
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Angered a lot of people at the government.
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Solid Orange [1301]
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Re: So the shutdown is over
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Nov 10, 2025, 5:24 AM
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True Lester, but what did the Democrats actually accomplish in the end? They have actually agreed to what Pubs said all along, vote for the CR and enhanced ACA subsidies would be discussed later.
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Rival Killer [2863]
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They got a guarantee that there would be a vote
Nov 10, 2025, 6:09 AM
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on the ACA subsidies. Still might not happen, but Republicans wouldn’t hold a vote or negotiate at all before the shutdown, so that’s a small win.
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Oculus Spirit [39663]
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Pure performative persecution of American citizens***
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Nov 10, 2025, 7:14 AM
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Rival Killer [2863]
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Not performative. But you should be happy, your SNAP
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Nov 10, 2025, 7:30 AM
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benefits will be available again very soon.
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Oculus Spirit [39663]
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I'm sure you crack yourself up with your hatred of others
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Nov 10, 2025, 7:36 AM
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There's nothing funny about ridiculing those who are less fortunate and enduring hardships just for the sake of mocking someone who is making a salient point.
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Rival Killer [2863]
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Im not mocking you at all.
Nov 10, 2025, 7:59 AM
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Just saying you should be happy at this news.
However, F your feelings.
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Ultimate Tiger [37211]
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Solid Orange [1301]
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Re: They got a guarantee that there would be a vote
Nov 10, 2025, 8:49 AM
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No, they said they would after passage of the CR, so nothing was accomplished by the Dems. It was a waste of time and a burden on those affected.
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Rival Killer [2863]
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There was no guarantee of that before.***
Nov 10, 2025, 8:58 AM
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All-TigerNet [5879]
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This will obviously be the messaging from the Republicans
Nov 10, 2025, 9:01 AM
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but the Democrats will message that Republicans showed they don't care about people and have lots of fodder for it.
We will see who wins in the end.
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All-TigerNet [5879]
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The Democrats won by not getting the ACA Subsidies
Nov 10, 2025, 8:28 AM
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it's the Democrats best issue for the next election.
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Solid Orange [1301]
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Re: The Democrats won by not getting the ACA Subsidies
Nov 10, 2025, 8:50 AM
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Enhanced Covid subsidies as that was all they were fighting over. Covid has been done a while back.
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Rival Killer [2863]
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Agreed. They never should have shut down in the
Nov 10, 2025, 9:01 AM
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first place. Had the Democrats gotten the Republicans to agree to the subsidy extension, they would have saved Republicans from themselves. The most useful thing from a political standpoint was to have the subsidies lapse, and then have people mad at Republicans for their high costs. You could argue however that they brought a lot more attention to the issue, so people now know where to place blame for their higher prices.
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All-TigerNet [5879]
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Yeah I don't like the way the Democrats come off as weak
Nov 10, 2025, 9:06 AM
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because Trump has shown people prefer fake toughness over moderation.
But it's hard to argue that the Democrats won't win the messaging fight over the next year. Democrats can say "Republicans cared so little about you that we could never win the fight so we did our best but we sacrificed our goals to protect people" while the Republicans have to somehow message out of "The Democrats failed because we were willing to hurt people!"
Sucks in the short term, but Democrats will win in the long term.
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Solid Orange [1301]
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Re: Agreed. They never should have shut down in the
Nov 10, 2025, 9:14 AM
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Enhanced subsidies for COVID, that is gone. Prior ACA subsidies were not affected at all were they?
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All-TigerNet [5879]
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Yeah the 24 million people who use enhanced subsidies
Nov 10, 2025, 9:18 AM
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are historically more likely to be Republican than Democratic voters.
So a huge opportunity for Democrats to win them.
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Solid Orange [1301]
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Re: Yeah the 24 million people who use enhanced subsidies
Nov 10, 2025, 9:25 AM
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They were already getting the normal subsidy right?
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All-TigerNet [5879]
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Not all of them
Nov 10, 2025, 9:29 AM
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either way you're significantly raising the premiums for them.
You think voters will reward you for raising their prices?
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Solid Orange [1301]
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Re: Not all of them
Nov 10, 2025, 9:32 AM
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People seem to love free stuff, wish you would acknowledge just once that it is not really free.
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All-TigerNet [5879]
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When have I ever said it was free?
Nov 10, 2025, 9:37 AM
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it's the cost of running a country.
And this subsidy gives back to people who actually pay income taxes. The idea we shouldn't use their tax money to help them go to the doctor is absurd.
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Solid Orange [1301]
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Re: Not all of them
Nov 10, 2025, 10:06 AM
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Yes the removal of the 400% above limit was removed, those are the extras you speak of?
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Valley Legend [12419]
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Yessir. They brought attention to their issue and now they can use it again in
Nov 10, 2025, 10:09 AM
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2026. They kept things shutdown too long though. Although they did get Trump to go to the mats to stop food money from going to kids.
With the gridlock in Congress - this might become the norm though. The minority party shutting things down to make a point. (I THINK the Pubs did it a few years ago to make a point about illegal immigration - although I might be misremembering that.)
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Clemson Sports Icon [52193]
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Considering that...
Nov 10, 2025, 7:36 AM
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Most Americans blame Trump and Pubs for the shutdown and the last election was an overwhelming anti-Trump/Pub message, the seem to have succeeded in directing the public outrage in the right direction. Now when the shutdown ends and more Americans get screwed by the contents of the BUB, you'll have one pissed off populace against incumbents in 2026.
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CU Medallion [19043]
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lol, ^^^ dude is off his rocker.
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Nov 10, 2025, 8:28 AM
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Oh no! A pub didn’t win mayor of NYC! That’s an indictment on Trump. It was more an indictment on democrats; if you’re not a full blown communist you are not welcome in the Dem party.
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Clemson Icon [24725]
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Who are the new governors in Virginia and New Jersey?***
Nov 10, 2025, 8:41 AM
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Rival Killer [2863]
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Quiet, they dont fit his narrative he is trying to push.***
Nov 10, 2025, 9:02 AM
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CU Medallion [19043]
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110%er [3796]
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By 14%, yes, that is shocking....
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Nov 10, 2025, 9:24 AM
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And also running up a huge margin in the Virginia house of delegates, too.
You #### right it was shocking.
You guys can pretend there isn't an anti-MAGA mood in the country all you want. But it's real. Facts don't care about your feelings.
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Top TigerNet [30994]
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Re: By 14%, yes, that is shocking....
Nov 10, 2025, 9:36 AM
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Let's see if the Dems mess that up though. They seem to find a way of blowing golden opportunities. Kind of like how they forced Kamala on everyone and focused too hard on trans etc. Hopefully they don't think what happens in NYC is any gage as to what will happen in swing states.
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Top TigerNet [30994]
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Re: By 14%, yes, that is shocking....
Nov 10, 2025, 9:45 AM
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Gauge
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Oculus Spirit [39663]
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Gouge***
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Nov 10, 2025, 9:47 AM
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Solid Orange [1301]
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Re: Who are the new governors in Virginia and New Jersey?***
Nov 10, 2025, 9:29 AM
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Virginia is a purple state at best, NJ is a blue state. So nothing sure how this is being viewed as a Dem mandate. Pull Fl. Or Tx.then we can talk about a mandate.
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Paw Master [17529]
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Re: Considering that...
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Nov 10, 2025, 8:40 AM
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I agree that most Americans blame Trump and the Pubs for the shutdown and that the voters expressed their displeasure with Trump not only in NJ and VA, but in races across America, even in GA.
The Dems won the messaging war in directing public outrage towards Trump and the Pubs, but I don't agree that that outrage is in the right direction.
The facts are the Dems used the filibuster 14 times to shutdown and keep the government shutdown. They used what they called an anachronism when they were in charge, to keep the government closed.
After all this, they caved and got the promise of a vote re: ACA subsidies. Was all this worth trying to save Schumer's ###? He voted yes for the same CR in March and and then pivoted 180 degrees to vote no on this CR. AOC will probably beat him, if she chooses to run.
The ACA subsidies in my opinion will not completely go away as removing them entirely would negatively impact lots of Pub legislators as well.There will be changes, but self preservation will keep alive these subsidies in some form.
It's immature when either Party votes to not fund the government, but make no mistake, the Dems voted to shutdown the government and keep it shutdown. Now, they have caved with not much to show for it, according to Bernie, Hakeem and MSNBC which may be on suicide watch.
Gonna be a lot of primary challenges I suspect. If the Pubs completely do away with the subsidies, the Dems will have a potent weapon to use in 2026. The shutdown itself is a loser for them.
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Clemson Icon [24725]
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Naw as stated below Pubs now own health care albatross.***
Nov 10, 2025, 8:47 AM
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Paw Master [17529]
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Maybe
Nov 10, 2025, 8:58 AM
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but subsidies to insurance companies is no fix either.Costs will continue to grow.
Honestly, a lot of rural hospitals need to close and be replaced with clinics.
The whole healthcare issue needs debate, but shutting the government down over subsidies and NPR was not the way to proceed in my opinion.
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All-TigerNet [5879]
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The only way to reduce costs is to shift to a single payer system
Nov 10, 2025, 9:00 AM
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but I doubt there are any Republicans who would support that.
Obamacare isn't about fixing the healthcare system, it's about giving people access to the healthcare system.
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Solid Orange [1301]
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Re: The only way to reduce costs is to shift to a single payer system
Nov 10, 2025, 9:23 AM
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I would be but the simple fact is that it would take payroll taxes rising and a VAT tax on goods /services to pay for Universal healthcare. Then you need to address the issue of all healthcare folks becoming govt. employees to make it work in a cost effective manner. Plus since you would limit the pay structures you would also need to have free tuition or pay loans for those in medical fields. Hospitals would also need to be rolled under the govt. umbrella. I as a fiscal conservative am fine with Universal healthcare if you can pay for it because $3T-$4T annually has to be paid and not borrowed.
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Ultimate Tiger [37211]
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Re: Considering that...
Nov 10, 2025, 8:51 AM
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The shutdown was definitely on the Dems, but I don't really think that had anything to do with Dems gaining ground in the last election. That was mostly on the fact that, at this point, any opposition is acceptable when the President is insane.
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Re: Considering that...
Nov 10, 2025, 9:08 AM
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I think that insanity is the main reason along with his actions, but I also think the shutdown had a hand. Consider VA and a lot of government workers out of their jobs as a result. I think the shutdown threw gasoline on the already raging fire against Trumpism.
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Ultimate Tiger [37211]
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Re: Considering that...
Nov 10, 2025, 9:27 AM
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Unfortunately, a government shutdown is not the biggest thing we have to worry about right now. Not even close.
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Clemson Sports Icon [52193]
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Very true.
Nov 10, 2025, 10:39 AM
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I'm hoping the courts can keep this insanity at bay long enough to get a Congress in that will put the brakes on this runaway admin.
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All-TigerNet [5879]
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Schumer sealed his fate
Nov 10, 2025, 8:58 AM
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AOC is going to be the next Senator from NY.
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Clemson Sports Icon [52193]
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I don't know if this was a risky chess move or not by the Dems
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Nov 10, 2025, 9:02 AM
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But at the moment, it sorta seems like it might be and it's working. The public didn't agree that it was the Dems fault; now it's going to look like they made bipartisan efforts to fix the problem even if that's not the case.
I agree it's immature but they seem to have read the public sentiment over it correctly. We'll see come this time next year.
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Solid Orange [1301]
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Re: Considering that...
Nov 10, 2025, 8:51 AM
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Right up till they passed the CR, now it shows they accomplished exactly nothing.
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TigerNet Elite [74793]
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Clemson Icon [24725]
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Trump and MAGA own increased health care premiums
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Nov 10, 2025, 8:39 AM
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And all health issues in general including insurance cost and Medicaid or Medicare coverage . Pubs also own any hospital closures, drug cost increases etc.
Congrats on “owning” all things health care. Good luck on fixing the ailments.
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Oculus Spirit [39663]
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How disingenuous can you really be?
Nov 10, 2025, 9:21 AM
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Clemson Icon [24725]
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At what point does Trump and MAGA Pubs provide solutions?
Nov 10, 2025, 1:30 PM
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Dismantling the existing system is unlikely to provide better results if some sort of replacement is not provided.
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TigerNet Elite [74793]
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You are a bot/troll
Nov 10, 2025, 8:46 AM
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Go away
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