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Not defending Watson but this NFL process is backwards
Aug 5, 2022, 8:17 AM
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How did the NFLPA agree to this? One would think that it should go to the NFL first and then if either party objected and if appealed it would then go to the independent judge (in essence an arbitrator) for final ruling. The system as it is now would be like a prosecutor going through a trial and not getting the verdict they want from the judge or jury and saying I know we just had a trial but I didnt prove my case enough and get the ruling I want so im going to appeal to myself and give the punishment I want. This would be a dream for a prosecutor. I know the NFl wouldnt sign on to this easily and give up final control but this is just crazy. The NFLPA should have demanded this even if it meant striking. The only positive to the system is that the independent judge's ruling is on record, but thats not even worth the paper it written on at the end of the day. My guess is the NFLPA is playing a longer game and will use this process to keep record of how many times the NFL overruled the judge for possible leverage in negotiating the next agreement.
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Strike may happen now if they go for a year.
Aug 5, 2022, 8:32 AM
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Nfl in a tough position. I have no sympathy for them but a lot of people demanding he be a scapegoat even if they aren’t privy to any evidence. It is striking again to me that of the 12 considered by the arbiter lady only 4 were interviewed. Wreaks of no evidence or discredited complainants. But I also am not privy to anything.
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they couldnt use 1 interview cause son spilled the beans
Aug 5, 2022, 8:37 AM
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that she made it up
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Re: Strike may happen now if they go for a year.
Aug 5, 2022, 10:44 AM
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I think you are spot on re scapegoat
But we are privy to some info, right? We know he had a settlement with a number of women. If you're a lawyer you know this could mean it was cheaper to buy their silence than to give them an open mike, even if DW is totally innocent. This could also mean he is as dirty as the come and they were just happy to get some money. But I think we have to assume that for the women who took the money, they also accepted the duty to keep quiet.
We also know that DW was brought before a Grand Jury for a number of these and they found there was not even enough evidence to go forward. The standard for moving forward is very low and prosecutors didnt have enough to even do this... So we have civil, in which he settled with most or all those who complained. We have criminal and they couldn't even get the plane in the air. Now we have the NFL.
I think we can all agree that appealing to one's self is a stooopit system. My kid wants ice cream, I say no, kid says; I think I'll ask myself if it is okay. Dadgum. But what jumps out at me is the now systemic chase of those not liked by others - the "give me blood" crowd. My first perception of this was associated with the Rodney King matter. I dont profess to know all the facts and my recollection is that it sure looked liked the cops were out of control. But didnt they have internal review and criminal prosection to go through? And when they got off from both, the riots occurred and then Bush the Elder said, I'll get the Justice Dept to do something. I dont like the idea of bad cops getting off, sure dont like the idea of folks getting beat to a pulp by cops, but the only reason the Feds got involved was because a group of people wanted their pound of flesh. I think the Clinton impeachment was similar. Personally, I really dont like the guy. He was one heck of salesman, but I consider him to be a pretty low creature. Take this away though and I think his impeachment was initiated on some pretty thin grounds and even though I think a sitting president lying to a grand jury should be impeachable, this was discovered only after the chase was on. Then you have Trump. A pretty classless guy to be sure, but "they" didnt like him. Wanted to impeach him before he was sworn in, impeached him 2x! The press vilified him... it was an all out witch hunt and total war - they wanted their blood. And then you start to think of the many "conservative" Sp Ct nominees that were put through absolute hell.. total war, they wanted blood. Then the sitting justices; Kavanaugh and Thomas. THey dared ruling in a manner one side didnt care for and that side wanted/wants blood. As I think about it, I know we can look back to Nixon as a total war casualty (I dont know enough to be convinced of guilt/innocence either way), but "they" wanted blood.
Folks, bad guys should go down, but do we really want to re-institute witch hunts? If we are honest with ourselves, this is exactly what has been done and this does not promote a nation of laws but a nation of which will follow the approach that is; show me the man, I'll find a crime.
I'm off the box now.
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To me, the NFLPA is a sad joke. The Billionaire Boys Club
Aug 5, 2022, 8:34 AM
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that is NFL Ownership is not going to accede any real power to them. And, when you get right down to it, why should they? They are paying grown men fantastic amounts of money to play a GAME. And, as such, they SHOULD have a huge say over what goes on.
My only complaint about this Watson deal is that he is being unfairly singled out as a Poster Child for all past wrongdoings. If the "Me TOO" crowd wasn't raising such a hue and cry, this situation would have resolved itself a year ago.
I just want to see it resolved now, period. If it turns out to be a year long suspension, then DO IT ALREADY, and move on. It benefits no one to drag this thing out even longer.
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Re: To me, the NFLPA is a sad joke. The Billionaire Boys Club
Aug 5, 2022, 12:14 PM
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Those grown men are the ones that are making the money. Nobody is tuning in to watch games because of the owners. No players, no profit. If every NFL owner dropped dead tomorrow, football would still exist in some capacity and be as competitive and watchable as it is now. If all of the players dropped dead, the sport would collapse until they found replacements, then it would be unwatchable.
Now that that's out of the way, yes, the NFL has caved to social media judges. They went out and got a female arbitrator to handle the case solely so that they could try to play both sides. Presumably she would hand down a harsh punishment which would satisfy the social media mob, and they could claim no responsibility to the angry NFL fans. It didn't work. She gave him a relatively mild punishment, and now they're appealing because it made people mad. I still think the punishment is too much because according to the legal system in place, he's done nothing illegal. He's an massive idiot, but not a criminal. But again, appearances.
What I can't understand is why the NFL is bothering with trying to maintain appearances. The vast majority of the NFL fanbase is just like most of your straight ticket political people. They scream and whine and make a bunch of noise about how they're not going to put up with "insert gripe here" anymore, but then September or November rolls around and they fall right in their designated party line and watch/"vote" anyway. Most of the people wanting Watson's head are liberal fans or liberals who already think football is barbaric and vehemently avoid it. So why is the NFL caving to a social media outcry made up entirely of people who are going to watch anyway or weren't ever going to watch regardless of the ruling?
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Didn't the NFL pick the judge who made the ruling? Now they
Aug 5, 2022, 8:44 AM
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don't wanna abide by her decision. SMH
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Re: Didn't the NFL pick the judge who made the ruling? Now they
Aug 5, 2022, 8:55 AM
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The best case scenario for DW at this point will be a hefty fine and 12 games (negotiated down from the entire season). So much for the NFL’s new process of an independent judge - Goodell is still the judge, jury and executioner.
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whats BS is Ive read the reason NFL wont go lower than 12
Aug 5, 2022, 9:05 AM
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is they dont want him playing in the game against Houston at Houston. If true, regardless of if you believe Watson or not, this is garbage as a reasoning to extend the suspension. If you are going to take a stand, take a stand and own it. Dont base it on just not wanting to deal with the likely circus that would occur of him returning to Houston.
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Re: Not defending Watson but this NFL process is backwards
Aug 5, 2022, 9:17 AM
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It’s simple…
He missed the entire 2021 season for this which allowed the NFL to kick this publicity can down the road…6 games are more than fair.
The NFL and Goodell answer to corporate sponsors such as Pepsi, Ford, or Nike just to make a few. They dictate a lot of because of their financial impacts on the league. As you recall with Ray Rice…The League saw the footage of him punching his wife and gave him 6 games…The footage was leaked and sponsors got involved…He hasn’t played since.
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Do we really thing the NFLPA is fighting this with vigor?
Aug 5, 2022, 9:19 AM
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It has an obligation to defend one of its members but they’re not gonna die on a hill for anyone accused of sexual assault. They care about protecting players from unfair work practices and the like.
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The Notorious Felon League Really Has No Ground to Stand On
Aug 5, 2022, 9:32 AM
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The league is full of bad character dudes...most MUCH worse than DW4
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Its in Deshaun's best interest to take whatever they're
Aug 5, 2022, 9:38 AM
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going to throw at him and move on. No one is going to fight for him on this even though two investigations and litigation's have proven that there was any criminal wrong doing. You would think that would speak for itself. Yet for some reason that still isn't enough for all of this to close. They'll keep dragging this out if he fights back b/c they can.. b/c of the "me too" payoff and its only the Browns. If this was the Steelers he would be hit with a 3 game suspension and it would be over. But the Browns have always been the punching bag and this is funny to alot of the media to see the Browns toil away again.
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Anyone think DW4's contract is playing a part in this?
Aug 5, 2022, 9:39 AM
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The guaranteed money could be a gamechanger for contracts moving forward.
Keep Watson out of the league for a year and other team ownership can say it was an obvious mistake the Browns made and they won't offer similar contracts in the future.
I just remember how it seemed to rock the boat when it was announced...maybe because of his pending legal issues...I don't know.
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i believe the NFPLA actually forced the owners into this
Aug 5, 2022, 9:51 AM
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the players got sick of Gadel making the punishment rules.. so they pushed for 3rd party arbitration.
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WHATever..the guy missed a year thus a year older in body..
Aug 5, 2022, 10:06 AM
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and that right there is a huge penalty, even though he luckily missed out on getting injuries, he also lost a year of his playing life which is forever gone and so is his tenure in the sport.
Saying, his body is getting older and will be getting older even as he sits out, and that's his main bread & butter..his body's youthful AGE, which is a penalty on each of us daily.
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Re: Not defending Watson but this NFL process is backwards
Aug 5, 2022, 10:02 AM
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We are living in the NIL future. We will see more something like this especially with the CFBPA.
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NFL sucks. 6 games was plenty given no criminal charges
Aug 5, 2022, 10:22 AM
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He already missed last season. He went through "due process" and got 6 game suspension. That should end it.
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