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Cade
Dec 1, 2022, 1:11 PM
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If DJU transfers out and Cade isn't ready to start, we need to find a QB in the portal. Looking at the list of candidates so far...
Jeff Sims, Georgia Tech Cade McNamara, Michigan
That's it. I wouldn't offer anyone else. It's still early though.
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We've also got a pretty good QB coming in this year...
Dec 1, 2022, 1:12 PM
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hopefully he'll be closer to ready than not.
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Re: We've also got a pretty good QB coming in this year...
Dec 1, 2022, 1:16 PM
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If our coaching staff can't develop Cade, then that's two 5 star QBs they've screwed up. I'd be worried about this staff with Vizzina. I'm hoping DJU was just a miss.
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Re: We've also got a pretty good QB coming in this year...
Dec 1, 2022, 1:18 PM
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Look at our past QB's. I would say they have developed pretty well.
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Really?
Dec 1, 2022, 1:26 PM
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Didn't both Deshaun and Trevor seemingly regress in their 2nd year as a starter? People in 2016 were talking here about "what's wrong with Deshaun" during the first half of the season. Trevor was the favorite to win the Heisman coming into 2019 off a 15-0 year but threw a ton of interceptions in the first half of the season.
What Clemson QB has actually improved during his time here? The last one I can remember was Tajh from 2010 to 2011, and that was with Chad Morris as QB coach.
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No...
Dec 1, 2022, 1:35 PM
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They did not regress as many would have you believe. If you cherry pick stats, you can make it seem that way, but they both improved, tremendously in some areas, based on various metrics. Don't be swayed by those who hope you are too lazy to use google.
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You would make…
Dec 1, 2022, 3:23 PM
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a fantastic democrat strategist to do reporting on CNN or MSNBC.
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Or you could produce stats?***
Dec 1, 2022, 3:23 PM
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Are you sure about that 2000?
Dec 2, 2022, 6:05 PM
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Trevor didn't degrees in 2019?? I remember that year very well. Trevor was still very good, but that season got off to a sluggish start. I'm going to give Trevor some slack in 2020 since he lost some good recivers. But that doesn't explain all the Ints. DW4's freshman year was a little hard to judge since he was injured most of it, but I believe he was way more dominant in 2015 than 2016. So many close games against garbage teams (Troy, NC State, Pitt). After Pitt loss he did seem to step it up and played well in the playoffs. Kelley Bryant? Was Bryant as good in 2018 as he was in 2017? DJ? Was DJ as good in 2021 as he was in 2020?
I'm been questioning the QB development for years. Could it just be as simple as poor coaching hidden by generational talent?
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Re: We've also got a pretty good QB coming in this year...
Dec 1, 2022, 1:24 PM
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I am worried about Cade's development as well. The fact that he hasn't taken over as the starter is concerning. Dabo pulled the trigger with Deshaun and Trevor because they were clearly better than Cole and KB. It feels like Cade isn't better than DJ, which is why he isn't the starter. If that's true, then Cade is closer to Hunter Johnson than he is to Deshaun and Trevor.
Missing on back to back 5 star QBs would be devastating. Clemson nation might not be able to handle it.
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+1 for "Clemson Nation might not be able to handle it..."
Dec 1, 2022, 1:26 PM
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There's some troofs.
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Re: We've also got a pretty good QB coming in this year...
Dec 1, 2022, 1:34 PM
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Occam's Razor...the simplest solution is the preferred solution. All the crazy theories being floated around are hogwash imo. I too believe Cade just isn't ready and that's why the change hasn't happened. It's not a knock on Cade bc he's just a freshman. Deshaun and Trevor are aberrations and should not be used for comparison. 1 is already a top 5 QB or was before this mess and Trevor is probably on his way to that status. Those guys don't grow on trees. I believe Dabo is handcuffed at the moment.
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More than two. Hunter Johnson and Zerrick Cooper come to
Dec 1, 2022, 5:01 PM
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mind, although I don't remember if both were 5-star. Chase Brice as well, although he seemed to develop nicely over time at other places.
I think part of it is just that quarterback evaluations are just tough. Think back to Randy Anderson, Billy Luckie, Willie Simmons, Willie Korn.
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Re: More than two. Hunter Johnson and Zerrick Cooper come to
Dec 1, 2022, 5:33 PM
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Hunter was a 5, Cooper was a low 4 i believe. Gosh Billie Luckie....name i haven't heard in a while. He was gonna be the game changer for Clemson in those early lean years. Also thought Simmons was gonna be the guy especially after that UNC game. Hard to evaluate Korn bc he got hurt and was never the same. Barely remember Anderson.
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Re: We've also got a pretty good QB coming in this year...
Dec 1, 2022, 1:20 PM
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I wouldn't take the risk. We've signed seven 5 star QBs under Dabo. Only 2 of them lived up to the hype (DW4 & TL16). Tajh was mediocre but had incredible WRs with a newer offensive scheme. Hunter Johnson and DJ were busts. It's still too early to say with Cade, but if he's not ready in year 2, we can't afford to run the risk of whether Vizzina is or isn't. Odds are, Vizzina won't be ready like Deshaun and Trevor were.
Sims and McNamara likely only play one more year. Both have NFL potential. Cade and Vizzina can afford to sit another year to start behind a veteran.
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Re: We've also got a pretty good QB coming in this year...
Dec 1, 2022, 4:40 PM
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Leon,
It is hard to argue against your position, but I wonder if we can attract a top level transfer QB given our offensive limitations. Surely there are other schools that give your QBs a better chance to display their skills to the NFL.
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As they should have.***
Dec 1, 2022, 1:36 PM
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What gives Tnet?
Dec 2, 2022, 5:21 PM
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Many on Tnet are stating top 2021 h.s. QB Cade Klubnik (MVP for multiple Texas 6A championships, state relay track champ, MVP and Most Accurate of Elite 11) is not capable to play this year. And yet, I keep reading Vizzina will be ready to compete for starting QB as a true freshman next year when Vizzina is 3-7, 1-5 in division, and has lost 5 in a row. What gives Tnet? Any research?
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Re: Cade
Dec 1, 2022, 1:21 PM
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This conversation continues to concentrate on our starting QB for next year, but what about #2. If there are any concerns about Cade, who is #2 is of very high importance.
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Re: Cade
Dec 1, 2022, 1:24 PM
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Vizzina would be the #2
Unless he couldn't beat out Hunter Helms or Billy Wiles
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Re: Cade
Dec 1, 2022, 2:17 PM
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If a true Freshman is our plan for a backup next year, we're in the same boat we're in now with Cade. This is what the transfer portal is doing to top schools. If you recruit 5 stars, they don't want to sit. If your backups are 3 stars, chances are they can't compete and want to transfer too.
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Nick Schuessler and Cole Stoudt
Dec 1, 2022, 2:37 PM
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backed up DW
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Re: Nick Schuessler and Cole Stoudt
Dec 1, 2022, 2:58 PM
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Very true and if DJU was as good as DW, this entire conversation would never have started.
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McNamara had season ending surgery, anyone have a
Dec 1, 2022, 1:24 PM
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schedule for a "return"? I know there were issues in prior season[s] that may have been contributory, but haven't seen a timeline or ~prognosis?
A pretty good one is coming in with the 2023 class as well.
I know a lot of folks are 'anxious' for the off-season or what unfolds. Will be watching, and hope peoples' expectations are "managed", so to speak.
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Re: McNamara had season ending surgery, anyone have a
Dec 1, 2022, 1:27 PM
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I read where McNamara played with the injury last year. So, I don't know how serious it is if he was able to play on it. Sounds like he could be back for spring ball. Personally, I would take Sims over him anyways.
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I read the same, not sure if the prior injury, trying to
Dec 1, 2022, 1:29 PM
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play through, made the 2nd worse - lack of secondary "braces" and sorts.
Good luck to him in any event.
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Re: McNamara had season ending surgery, anyone have a
Dec 1, 2022, 2:29 PM
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McNamara lost his starting position at Michigan because he wasn't an effective runner and McCarthy was. McNamara, who is as very good pocket passer, probably wouldn't fit our current system. Of the two, I'd go with Simms. He seems more like Kelly Bryant than Deshawn Watson, but he is still the best choice available if Cade isn't going to be what we all thought he would be. I still think Cade hasn't had a fair chance to prove himself, but that discussion is for another thread.
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Re: Gaslighting is "Cade ain't ready yet"
Dec 1, 2022, 1:39 PM
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"Cade ain't ready yet" is just repeating Dabo's gaslighting talk. It is a direct reflection on Dabo and his staff's ability to coach. A lot of folks are tired of hearing "Cade ain't ready yet", but haven't linked the comment to ongoing systemic failures of the coaching staff. I know one RB that spoke his mind about the coaching failures after the greatest loss in the last 8-years.
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Re: Gaslighting is "Cade ain't ready yet"
Dec 1, 2022, 1:56 PM
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If Cade's not read,who thought it was a good time to put him in against ND backed up inside the 10 and then call a naked bootleg. Something doesn't add up
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Re: Gaslighting is "Cade ain't ready yet"
Dec 1, 2022, 2:17 PM
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Really. What about Hunter Johnson. If he can't come in and help when Cade isn't ready and DJU is struggling, why is he wearing a uniform?
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graduate degree and future staff member***
Dec 1, 2022, 2:18 PM
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Re: graduate degree and future staff member***
Dec 1, 2022, 2:29 PM
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This is precisely how this will follow...
Streeter leaves for a head coaching job, replaced by Tajh Boyd
Tajh Boyd is eventually promoted to Offensive Coordinator
Tajh Boyd leaves for a head coaching job, replaced by Hunter Johnson
Hunter Johnson is eventually promoted to Offensive Coordinator
Hunter Johnson is fired after Dabo's replacement is hired.
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Re: graduate degree and future staff member***
Dec 1, 2022, 2:34 PM
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Yeah, seems the money is pretty good if one can ingratiate oneself with Dabo (not intended to be a knock on Mr. Swinney, just an observation - I think Dabo has a blind spot borne out of good intentions).
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Re: Gaslighting is "Cade ain't ready yet"
Dec 1, 2022, 3:56 PM
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This response has hit on a lot of what I believe is going on now. If DJU isn't the man, then Dabo and his staff have failed to get it right. If the new coordinators aren't right for the job, then Dabo didn't get it right. I'm not trying to throw shade on Dabo and I truly think that he is a great coach and a great guy, but having to admit to failures in the program can be very personal to some people and I think that makes change difficult for him.
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Re: Cade
Dec 1, 2022, 3:17 PM
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Can anyone explain to me how "Cade isn't ready?" We've seen him come in a handful of times this year and it's been rather inconclusive. Imagine if he had been our go-to when DJ started showing signs of old DJ during the Furman game & had spent this entire season gaining reps and experience. Heck to at least be named starter for a game and have a week to prep and get his mind battle ready for a start is an absolute luxury he was never afforded.
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We don't know...
Dec 1, 2022, 3:20 PM
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other than coaches seem to indicate that. And they see him in practice, in the film room, in the locker room, etc... We see none of that.
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Exactly DJ & Cade were said to be even to begin the season
Dec 2, 2022, 5:05 PM
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Then somehow both Cade and DJ have gotten a lot worse as the season has progressed? Pure gaslighting! Just like the DJ for Heisman fraud each year. What BS! Dabo's played the ROY bus gaslighting con man character one too many times, and he still gets paid $1million a game to attempt to fool everyone? Dabo's time to come to Jesus and reset his career is quickly arriving, or the youth pastor from Alabama is going to flame out - hopefully not what any of us want to witness.
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Re: Cade
Dec 1, 2022, 4:14 PM
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What about Brennan Armstrong?
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Re: Cade
Dec 2, 2022, 5:44 PM
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Everything hinders on the development of Cade.
Jeff Sims is the only guy available that I would take no matter what. Armstrong and Jurkovec would be great if DJ leaves and Cade isn’t ready.
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Re: Cade
Dec 1, 2022, 4:19 PM
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Both of those guys are great runners with average arms.. I think Cade would be just as good by next year or CV will come in and maybe have some growing pains but their both ballers I think with reps they’d both be just as good or better then those two guys
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Re: Cade
Dec 1, 2022, 4:32 PM
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It would seem to me that QB might be the toughest spot to fill through the portal. I recognize that a number of teams have done so, but still it seems tricky.
We will have at least 2 young 5-star QBs in our QB room. I gotta think that is way more than most teams.
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Cade is ready. Don’t believe coachspeak.***
Dec 2, 2022, 5:43 PM
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Re: Cade
Dec 2, 2022, 6:08 PM
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Boston College QB.
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Re: Cade
Dec 2, 2022, 6:54 PM
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Hunter Helms is better than DJ.
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Cade wasted a year at Clemson
Dec 2, 2022, 11:18 PM
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Cade should enter the portal Monday and never look back. He fell for con man Dabo's BS and abuse.
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