Nice first post, coot.***

The sky is falling

dascoreathalf · 2023-09-26T22:58:31.207Z

Well, well well, it's over, right? We lost to DUKE!!! To DUUUUUUKEEE! (in football) ...and to FSU. --- Now, if you've been a fan for like 5 years it's prob over for you, yes. Colorado and UGA bandwagons are heaaatin' up! FSU is adding new folks by the day. But if you've been around for a while you remember that Clemson football has a long and storied history of mediocrity. --- What do I mean? Frank Howard - changed the game, built the program, started IPTAY... mediocre W/L. Danny Ford - put Clemson on the map, won it all, had a GREAT decade... The rest has been pure mediocrity. Enter Dabo Swinney. Dabo took over as HC and 99% of us thought it was insane that he was the new coach... But look back: Dabo was an assistant at Clemson. Danny Ford was an assistant at Clemson prior to becoming HC. --- So, to everyone who's saying "fire this" or "portal that" you must be new to the program. Dabo has constantly been an innovator. When something isn't working he fixes it. He's loyal but a chameleon. He changes when he needs to and guess what... We've won two nattys... A darn ton of ACC championships. 10 wins? That's the expectation now. --- Dabo's gonna make some changes (portal/coaching) this off season, rest assured. He has his finger on the pulse. I'll be happy to go back and eat crow on this if I'm wrong. --- If you watched the game on Saturday you saw a solid football team. There were some missteps, yes. There was a talent deficit at boundary receiver, yes. But fire Dabo? Do y'all remember what it was like with Tommy Bowden? I sure do. As long as Dabo's at the helm we ain't going back... We only go up and back to the CFP.

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Sticking with this huh?

Sep 26, 2023, 7:22 PM

we're not replacing them with walkons. there is an argument to be made about the value of experience but you're clearly trying to imply we're downgrading talent. All recruiting assessments say otherwise. The rank of our total team talent has increased since 2020 not decreased. And, the availability of players with bonus eligibility shrinks to pre-covid norms completely by 2025 with a diminishing number of players every year. The 2nd time FBS transfer restriction is also going to bring more caution to jumping in the portal. This is the first year that the NCAA is back to enforcing it and they appear to be sticking to their guns.

Then you have to look at who is leaving. In 2022 we lost 2 4* recruits. TJ Dudley who obviously would not have started at linebacker this year and is not on the depth chart at Ole Miss. He is only one year out of high school. So we're only losing 1 year of practice experience there.

DJU is the other - might have been nice to have him stick around as a backup but that wasn't happening whether we're using the word "portal" or not.

The rest are 3 stars

Malcolm Green - left with 2 seasons of eligibility remaining. Made more starts as a freshman than a junior. Is currently the 2nd string right corner back at Virginia. Would definitely not be starting this year. Possibly a starter in 2024. Is a graduate so would have been able to transfer unconditionally under previous transfer rules.

Etinosa Reuben - Redshirted for us in 2019. left with 2 seasons eligibility. He's the 4th defensive end on the GT depth chart. Almost certainly would have never started at Clemson.

Kobe Pace - RB transfer to Virginia. left with 2 years remaining. Would never have started at Clemson

Fred Davis - CB. Two years remaining. Already transferred a second time and is third string LCB at UCF. Would never have started at Clemson.

Vonta Bentley - left with 1 year remaining. would not have started this year at linebacker. currently second string linebacker at Colorado

EJ williams - 2 years eligibity remaining when left. Starting wide receiver for Indiana. This is one we might like to have held onto.

Kevin Swint - 2 years remaining. Backup linebacker for Georgia State now. Would never have started at Clemson.

Dacari Collins - 2 years remaining - no covid eligibility. Currently listed at 3rd as WR at NC State. With new talent and incoming talent very unlikely to have made two deep but maybe with injuries you like to keep this one.

Billy Wiles - QB. C'mon.

Sergio Allen - 3 years remaining. Backup LB at California. played a total of 31 snaps over 2 seasons. Not a significant loss of veteran experience. Unlikely to have ever started

Long before it was called portal - upper classmen who weren't going to break into the starting lineup were already transferring at a steady clip. we're substituting age and experience for high school recruits amongst our backup ranks. Those high school recruits are by large higher ranked than the departing players. Of all those 12 players there are only 2 that would have any chance of meaningfully contributing this year and that's only cause of injuries.

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the top players who go into the Portal already have their next destination in hand BEFORE they set foot in it. It's called Tampering, and in this lawless Wild Wild West era we are in now, it is totally rampant.

So, for us to get at this mythical well of Portal talent you keep harping on, we would have to join other schools in this ILLEGAL ACTION, if we want to "level the playing field" as applies to the Portal. You can poo-poo that all you want, coaches like Mack Brown have come out in public with specific instances of tampering individuals trying to get his best players to transfer.

I have said it before, and it bears repeating, I do not want a team of paid Mercenaries representing Clemson University on the football field. And, to some extent, that is what high level talent in the Transfer Portal has become. If a kid wants to sell himself to the highest bidder, the Portal plus NIL sets him up perfectly to do that.

Now, if you are Clemson, with the culture that Dabo has built here, you are not going after those people. You just aren't. So, fans on message boards can flap their gums about it until they run out of air, it AIN'T HAPPENING.

Now, is there talent in the Portal that is NOT just out to make a buck? Certainly there is, but again, most of that talent already had a destination set up before they put their name in. That's just another inconvenient fact that Portal lovers just gloss over. So, even if Dabo advertised on a 50 foot tall billboard that he was open for Portal business, I don't think Clemson wins many battles against schools with huge, well funded Alumni bases, and Oil Baron boosters. Just another inconvenient fact.

As far as "losing 10 to 15 experienced players to the Portal", I can only think of one, MAYBE two cases where a player who transferred out, without being TOLD to leave, would have been a starter for us. And, regardless of how you want to poormouth us, Clemson has continued to recruit VERY well from the high school ranks. Our classes from top to bottom are MUCH better talent wise than when we started our run of success.

Bottom line is, if you are not going to be happy unless Clemson starts regularly using the Transfer Portal, you might as well turn in your fan card and move on to Colorado, FSU, or Texas A&M. Because, it ain't gonna happen.

The sky is falling

As long as we lose 10-15 experienced players to the

Sticking with this huh?

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This is great info, but I dont expect the magic portal boys to get it.***

Very well done Viztiz

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Correct.

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Programs are built on depth, development and competition

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I have facts to back me up. What say you bubba?***

When have we lost 15? 10? Maybe 5 or 6. And honestly, the

Would you guys please actually look up stuff before

And as far as players doing something anywhere else

Here's the blunt truth about the Portal. Most, if not all of

Lol!***

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Almost shoe in playoff spot? Please elaborate.***

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I think Coach Howard did start IPTAY...I pay ten a year!***

Yessir. And he turned a ditch into Death Valley.***

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It doesnt say much for Dabos adaptation ability

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Facts you dont like are not cheap shots.***

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Dabo is the slowest coach in FBS to use the transfer portal.

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Covid hurt our recruiting way more than others. For one

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As a Tater hating troll you would obviously gloss over Dabo

Why is it always the long-time fans (of which I am one)

This mediocrity before Dabo rhetoric isnt based in fact

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Much easier to get 10 wins now due to playing more games***

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