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1st Rounder [636]
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News is so biased against Clemson
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Local Fox in Greenville this morning had sports section with nothing but coot wimminz bball. Not a word about the baseball games where we put them down twice... Guess it's because we don't graduate soft media/journalism majors. Ugh...
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Tiger Titan [46071]
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Most people dont care about college baseball.***
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Varsity [224]
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Noone cares about wBB except ESPN and coots!***
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Athletic Dir [1137]
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Sorry to burst your bubble you live in, but many people do.***
Mar 4, 2024, 10:35 AM
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CU Guru [1349]
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No they don't. It's on TV to try and make people care
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Mar 4, 2024, 12:19 PM
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but that really isn't working
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Game Changer [1775]
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Re: No they don't. It's on TV to try and make people care
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Mar 4, 2024, 12:50 PM
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Not really working? Last year's women's tournament was by far the most watched in history. The championship game was the most watched women's basketball game ever by nearly 5 million average viewers. Marketing it is absolutely working.
And far more people have been watching women's college basketball compared to college baseball. College baseball has next to no viewership until the postseason and even then it almost never cracks 2M average viewers.
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Orange Blooded [2180]
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Re: No they don't. It's on TV to try and make people care
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Mar 4, 2024, 2:49 PM
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Now that I have finally found a way to watch baseball-and softball as well-I will be watching a ton more. I even got to see some of our lacrosse team in action this past weekend. I am thinking that is why women's basketball has seen a jump in numbers more than anything. Make everything else extremely difficult to find. And I'm not even railing on women's basketball. My opinion is that it is too top heavy still and most games are blow outs. Doesn't hold my interest.
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Game Changer [1775]
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Re: No they don't. It's on TV to try and make people care
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Mar 4, 2024, 3:56 PM
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Women's basketball has been easier to find because there's been more interest in watching it, not the other way around. Disney is not an altruistic venture. It makes decisions based on what is projected to generate it the most money. If baseball or softball were expected to generate more money for the business they'd be pushing them over women's basketball.
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Rival Killer [2872]
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Re: No they don't. It's on TV to try and make people care
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Mar 4, 2024, 6:48 PM
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Disney is not an altruistic venture. It makes decisions based on what is projected to generate it the most money.
Let's just take this part of your statement and dwell on it.
**Disney ONLY pushes what it pushes because what it pushes makes money.** (I paraphrase)
So you're telling me that moviegoers are asking for more same-sex relationships to be included in movies targeting the ages 4-11 market?
Disney is remaking movies to include more diversity (gender and race) because audiences are clamoring for it?
The NBA trumpets "Black Lives Matter" and the NFL paints "End Racism" on the end lines because those things increase profits?
The WNBA is advertised at every opportunity by ESPN because it's a money-making venture? The women's league is a DRAIN on NBA profits just like NCAAW basketball is a drain on the athletic department budget at over 300 institutions, and I'd say every institution except maybe USC, LSU, UConn and Iowa (until Caitlin graduates).
There's an agenda that goes deeper than capitalism, and the sooner you see it, the better.
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Athletic Dir [1137]
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Back to the heart of this. Media makes more money from advertisers
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Mar 4, 2024, 10:15 PM
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on WBB than from college baseball. Ratings are better for women’s basketball. And it’s not a conspiracy to hide baseball in order to prop up women’s basketball.
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Game Changer [1775]
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Re: No they don't. It's on TV to try and make people care
Mar 5, 2024, 3:31 PM
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Disney is making decisions that make money, yes. You not liking that or not understanding how that appeals to the markets that consume their products is irrelevant. They're not doing it because they want to be "woke". Disney, more than maybe any other company involved in the entertainment industry, is about making and protecting their money.
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Athletic Dir [1137]
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Haha. You really think 'they' purposely make other sports you think have more
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Mar 4, 2024, 4:37 PM
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interest harder to find so women's basketball gets more viewers because it's easier to find? I cant even comprehend how a reasoned person can even contemplate this possibility.
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Tiger Titan [46071]
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$100 says he watches Fox News and is voting for Trump.***
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National Champion [7399]
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Re: $100 says he watches Fox News and is voting for Trump.***
Mar 5, 2024, 3:36 PM
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$100 says you watch CNN and vote Biden.
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CU Guru [1349]
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Which sport has been pushed on the networks?
Mar 4, 2024, 3:30 PM
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It's not college baseball.
WBB is being propped up to make it appear that more people care. Both college and professional levels are painful to watch and outside of a few teams have no fan support.
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Game Changer [1775]
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Re: Which sport has been pushed on the networks?
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Mar 4, 2024, 3:54 PM
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I'm sorry, do you think Disney is pushing WBB because of some agenda? They're pushing it because their market research says it's going to make them more money because it has more interest. If their market research said baseball would make them more money that's what they'd push. You're hilariously naive if you think for a second their decisions are not made based on what's going to make them the most money.
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Athletic Dir [1137]
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Well said. Some people can't comprehend that things happen in business and
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Mar 4, 2024, 4:40 PM
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sports viewership that they don't 'think' should happen so they come up with cockamamy reasoning to make it all seem rational to them. My brain hurts on how people set around and think their brain is how the world really works.
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Clemson Conqueror [11429]
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Re: Which sport has been pushed on the networks?
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Mar 4, 2024, 4:49 PM
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Then why does the NBA subsidize the WNBA by the tune of about 10 million per year if it is so profitable. It's all political plain and simple.
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Athletic Dir [1137]
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Do they? I know they are part owners, but can't find any facts concerning
Mar 4, 2024, 4:56 PM
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some sort of $10m annual subsidy. And sports franchises are really really difficult to figure out the funding. Many pro franchises, even NFL teams, 'lose' money on an annual basis and it's covered by the ownership group because they they believe the value of the franchises rise and therefore will capture the upside on the sale of the team.
That is why many fans want owners who will 'invest' in the franchise they are fans of.
But honestly, I can't come up with any recent factual information about NBA subsidies of the WNBA. But yes, the NBA is a partial owner of the league, and supports them in various ways.
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Game Changer [1775]
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Re: Which sport has been pushed on the networks?
Mar 5, 2024, 3:34 PM
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Disney pushes the WNBA even less than they push College Baseball so I'm not sure what your point is.
The only politics Disney cares about is whatever allows them the most power to protect their IP. It's actually hilarious that you think they'd prioritize being "woke" or whatever ######## you want to call it over making money.
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Athletic Dir [1137]
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Do they fake the tv ratings system? Because to make you correct that
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Mar 4, 2024, 10:09 PM
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would have to come into play.
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Head Coach [996]
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Re: Do they fake the tv ratings system? Because to make you correct that
Mar 4, 2024, 10:48 PM
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I guess you would have to compare what the ratings would be if they were both on the same channel. How many bars just keep ESPN on regardless of what’s on? I would guess that would be the bulk of the viewership. Just a guess though, I don’t have any facts nor do I care to look for them 😂
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Athletic Dir [1137]
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That's a convenient way to spin it, 'if they were on the same channel'. But
Mar 5, 2024, 8:55 AM
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they aren't because it isn't beneficial. But women's college basketball has proved some viability, and they are on the same channel as men's from time to time (though not as much).
I believe that women's college basketball have had 2 of the 5 or 6 highest rated college basketball regular season games on tv overall this year. If baseball had that pull, they'd be put on more broadly available channels more often.
Here are all the numbers thru mid-Feb:
https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-basketball-tv-ratings-men-women/
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Athletic Dir [1137]
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Amazing it seems so offensive to a small group on here that women's
Mar 5, 2024, 9:22 AM
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basketball does pretty good, even better than college basketball. It's like it's a stab in the eye to them or something.
Lots of people enjoy lots of things I don't, and Im in the minority on those, but to me it isn't a negative reflection on society that I somehow have to take down.
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Athletic Dir [1137]
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Meant 'baseball' not basketball***
Mar 5, 2024, 9:22 AM
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Rival Killer [2722]
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Athletic Dir [1137]
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Ok, sounds good.***
Mar 4, 2024, 4:34 PM
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All-In [11015]
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Orange Blooded [2575]
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Re: Sorry to burst your bubble you live in, but many people do.***
Mar 4, 2024, 7:02 PM
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I certainly don't. I mean iof Clemson women were in the tourney, I'd keep up. But after coaching Boys basketball for many years, watching the girls play was painful. I'd have to endure the girls game before the boys played . . .painful in the stands. True, it was highschool, but it still looks about the same to me.
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Orange Immortal [66711]
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Athletic Dir [1137]
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How much do they spend on baseball? I honestly don't know.***
Mar 4, 2024, 10:37 AM
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Orange Immortal [66711]
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It's a bit difficult to quantify...
Mar 4, 2024, 10:53 AM
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because ESPN new 8-year deal includes baseball along with several other sports.
In addition, regular-season games are contracted through each conference and appear on a variety of different networks including several school- and conference-specific networks (e.g., Big Ten Network, SEC Network, BYU TV, Pac-12 Network, and Longhorn Network).
Post-season ESPN will continue to broadcast the College World Series.
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Athletic Dir [1137]
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Yep. In the latest deal, the women's basketball got the publicity of being the
Mar 4, 2024, 11:13 AM
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driver in the increase in spending. In this article it says the NCAA almost sold the WBB separately by the NCAA, but they thought they'd lose some visibility in those being dropped from programming. Haven't seen baseball parsed out at all.
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On Thursday, the NCAA and ESPN announced an eight-year, $920 million extension to their current media rights package of 40 NCAA championships, including the ever-growing women’s March Madness tournament.
The deal, which will begin on Sept. 1, will pay out an average of $115 million per year, with women’s March Madness valued at $65 million of that number, NCAA President Charlie Baker tells Front Office Sports.
https://frontofficesports.com/ncaa-espn-ink-8-year-920m-deal-for-40-championships/#:~:text=The%20broadcast%20package%20values%20the,for%20the%20often%2Dcriticized%20NCAA.
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Varsity [224]
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Athletic Dir [1137]
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Are you talking baseball or WBB? NCAA sold most of the Championships
Mar 4, 2024, 12:45 PM
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to ESPN on the backs of the success of WBB's rise. It equates to approx $65m of the $115m annual deal that was announced in January. That's according to the NCAA president.
So, its ratings on ESPN is equating to dollars for ESPN.
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110%er [5684]
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He has also ripped baseball multiple times, especially after the KSU loss
Mar 4, 2024, 10:14 AM
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He can't make up his mind.
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Orange Immortal [66711]
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In fairness, the baseball team deserved to get ripped for the KSU loss...
Mar 4, 2024, 10:18 AM
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It's one thing to lose to KSU, but it's another matter entirely to get your a$$ completely handed to you.
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110%er [5684]
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Just like getting blown out by 10-21 Loyola Chicago***
Mar 4, 2024, 10:20 AM
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Tiger Titan [46071]
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Losing to Loyola Chicago last year was a bad loss for sure.***
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Tiger Titan [46071]
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Tiger Titan [46071]
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Yes, Clemson fans care a lot about baseball.
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The general viewing audience for local news doesn't care.
I still think it was odd that it wasn't covered on that broadcast, since it was Clemson vs. South Carolina, but to accuse the media of bias against Clemson because of it is silly.
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1st Rounder [636]
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Re: Yes, Clemson fans care a lot about baseball.
Mar 4, 2024, 11:17 AM
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If it were the only time, I could overlook it. It happens often. For example, when we beat them this past year in football, local news mostly showed the one coot touchdown while spending minimal time on coverage. When they won by a scant point, they treated it like a holiday. Just my observations
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Scout Team [187]
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Athletic Dir [1137]
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Most? No Do most care about baseball? No. Do most care about men's college
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Mar 4, 2024, 5:11 PM
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basketball? No.
'Most' is a difficult barrier to cross.
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Tiger Titan [46071]
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No, most people dont care about college baseball.
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Mar 4, 2024, 10:58 PM
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It can still be a popular sport in the area without most people caring about it.
This isn’t complicated.
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Orange Elite [5414]
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Re: Most people dont care about womens gymnastics but 8,500.....
Mar 4, 2024, 10:25 PM
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show up at littlejohn to see it. If its clemson, i care, and i love the mens baseball and girls softball too !
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Orange Elite [5414]
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Re: Most people dont care about womens gymnastics but 8,500.....
Mar 4, 2024, 10:27 PM
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show up at littlejohn to see it. If its clemson, i care, and i love the mens baseball and girls softball too !
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Downtown Greenville is the SEC WBB Tourney
Mar 4, 2024, 9:59 AM
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living downtown i have learned how much the local news is just marketing platform .
Carolina WBB is the marketing hype to bring $$$ to Greenville this weekend
GVL is phenomenal at marketing and grabbing out of state investors money and building big complexes for out of state retirees and occasional professionals (mostly out of state) to move into
** The Drive baseball stadium didn't get to host the games this year so yeah. Columbia got that $$$
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Re: Downtown Greenville is the SEC WBB Tourney
Mar 4, 2024, 11:09 AM
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Like they say follow the money, so it makes sense to post WBB article. But really don't get them not printing about our baseball game, especially since it was a day game.
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Orange Immortal [66711]
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WYFF covered both games...
Mar 4, 2024, 12:10 PM
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The local Fox 21 station is a second-rate newscast for young inexperienced still wet-behind-the-ears broadcasters to learn the ropes or who can't get jobs at better stations.
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Rival Killer [2722]
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Re: News is so biased against Clemson
Mar 4, 2024, 3:31 PM
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Fox is trash...WYFF had coverage
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National Champion [7669]
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Re: News is so biased against Clemson
Mar 4, 2024, 3:33 PM
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Sadly, WBB is much bigger. College baseball aside from the College World Series isn't news generally speaking.
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Re: News is so biased against Clemson
Mar 4, 2024, 4:42 PM
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Women's basketball has really became enjoyable to watch the last few years. It is a big drop off after the top 20 teams. Caitlin Clark has been a big part of the TV ratings. Personally I'd rather watch baseball or softball but the women have improved.
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Don't be that guy.***
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