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110%er [6169]
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My wife officially became a licensed architect this week.
Jan 17, 2014, 7:01 PM
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As a simple spousal observer, it is my opinion that becoming an architect is basically the dumbest professional decision an individual can make.
The first step in the dumb process is getting a degree (most of the time a Masters as well) that rivals medical degrees in terms of time devoted to your studies.
Once on the job, architects have to know enough civil, structural, electrical, and mechanical engineering to have meaningful discussions with the engineers in those respective fields. They also have to know enough about construction and general contracting to have discussions with folks in those fields, too. None of this is even getting into the art and design crap they have to excel at.
The testing process is quite possibly the dumbest variable in the dumb becoming-an-architect decision. Engineers have the PE or (not "and") FE, and then they're licensed. Yay. Architects have seven mother ####### PE's and FE's before some uppity snob board determines they're good enough to do the work they've been doing all along anyways.
And once all this is achieved, you'd think architects would be rolling in it - right? Nope. I know a GED-educated semi driver that makes more than most architects in South Carolina.
I'm thrilled she achieved her goal. But I wouldn't wish that process on anyone.
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Scout Team [176]
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Re: My wife officially became a licensed architect this week.
Jan 17, 2014, 7:50 PM
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back in the 70's, when I graduated high school, I thought I wanted to be an architect. It was suggested I go talk with a family friend who was a well known and respected architect here in Greenville. First words out of his mouth....Son, if you want to work your ### off to become an architect and then work your ### off to become poor...then go be an architect.
It was a very inspiring and short talk.
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Heisman Winner [136080]
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My good friend who's been an architect for 30 years
Jan 17, 2014, 8:01 PM
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Plays piano in a wine bar to pay the rent on his architecture office
But I know you are very proud of her and should be.
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110%er [6944]
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I had 2 roommates at Clemson in architecture and........
Jan 17, 2014, 8:04 PM
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I cannot begin to tell you the time that they spent devoted to that major. It was obscene. All day in class. Frequently all nighters doing projects. Weekends, holidays. Sometimes it was hard to imagine that they got the same degrees as the rest of us when they spent sooooooo much more time earning that degree. We rarely saw them.
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welcome to DGUAR-LAND
Jan 17, 2014, 8:20 PM
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minus that hole license thingy
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Heisman Winner [135640]
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Pfffffttttt. Big deal.
Jan 17, 2014, 8:26 PM
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I got a PhD just by sending an e-mail to the University of North Carolina and requesting one. Turns out I had more than enough no-show hours to complete the degree.
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This makes me glad I knew I couldn't
Jan 17, 2014, 10:17 PM
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art well enough to become an architect.
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Oculus Spirit [81925]
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The great thing about architecture is you can make up your
Jan 18, 2014, 10:52 AM
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own art and someone will like it somewhere.
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Hope she helps you with an erection. ;)***
Jan 17, 2014, 10:22 PM
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Lot o points [163012]
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Congrats to her.
Jan 18, 2014, 6:47 AM
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and I know you are correct about the income. Some do well, but many do not.
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Orange Blooded [3148]
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Passing the FE doesn't really make an engineer licensed
Jan 18, 2014, 6:48 AM
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It just means you can take the PE after working for a few years.
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Congratulations on the accomplishment, nonetheless.
Jan 18, 2014, 6:54 AM
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There is a component of unbelievable vanity and attitude of superiority that comes along with the degree, to some extent fostered by the professors themselves.
When you meet an architect that is a fun person to be around, and not prickly as hayull, you have met a truly special person. Our own Dguarcello is one such person, but I cannot vouch for his wife, heh.
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Plus, he wears V-neck t-shirts. He's got that going for him***
Jan 18, 2014, 10:47 AM
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TROOTH!***
Jan 18, 2014, 7:28 PM
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Oculus Spirit [81925]
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I actually can vouch for Face's wife. She is a great person
Jan 18, 2014, 10:51 AM
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so a tolerable architect.
Unfortunately my company employs several unbearable architects...get an unbearable architect who becomes LEED AP certified, they transcend to h3ll.
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CU Medallion [54758]
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ahem....I'm LEED AP.
Jan 18, 2014, 7:27 PM
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oh wait...u said they're unbearable' first.
yeah...I can see that.
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95% of arch prof's could DIAF
Jan 18, 2014, 7:31 PM
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and claim it as art.
clemson had pretty even mix, and even some that blurred th lines a bit. There were (and may still be) some pretty awesome prof's there while I was there (twice)
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You have the PE wrong.
Jan 18, 2014, 8:40 AM
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Architects get their degree and are immediately eligible for the exams (33.5 hours worth)
Engineers get their degree then must document 4 or 8 YEARS worth of experience, pass then 8 hour FE then apply to take the 8 hour PE.
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My best friend is an Architect and he is ROLLING in money
Jan 18, 2014, 10:05 AM
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He does stadiums, and "green" homes. He has worked on some of the larger stadiums that you see on TV on Satdy's and Sundays.
The rest of his friends make decent money. Once you get that stamp, you are good and can basically run your own business if you have the right connections.
Congrats to yo wife!
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On paper, you're right. Architects are immediately eligible.
Jan 18, 2014, 10:30 AM
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But they're also required to get nearly 7,000 hours of job-related activities on top of the seven tests before they can even apply to be licensed. And if they fail one of the tests, you have to wait 6 months before you can take it again.
I'm not trying to pit architects vs engineers (they do that plenty themselves). And I'm not making architects out to be noble. I really think it's a dumb career decision unless you know and have known for quite some time that it is your life's passion.
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Oculus Spirit [81925]
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If you fail either the FE or the PE, you must wait 6 months.
Jan 18, 2014, 10:49 AM
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If you fail the PE 3 times, you must get board written approval to take it again.
And you were indeed wrong with your statement of "Engineers have the PE or (not "and") FE"...you are required to take both, so it is an "and"...
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110%er [6169]
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I stand corrected.***
Jan 18, 2014, 11:55 AM
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you're wrong too, kinda
Jan 18, 2014, 7:25 PM
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It's only a recent thing that we've been 'allowed' to sit for the exams. Prior to that, we had to complete at least 3 years of of (paid) 'internship', and that's if it's done efficiently, and THAT depends upon your workplace.
Now, you can sit for the exams once you have an ACCREDITED degree, which is either a 5-year program, or Bach AND Masters (at least 6 years). There are no accredited 4-year arch programs. BUT, you STILL have to complete the 6000 hours of internship, fulfilling several categories of itemized experience before you can get your license. The only thing that's changed is now you can do both the work experience and testing congruently.
....to be paid ####.
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(didn't read the above re:plies before I posted.
Jan 18, 2014, 7:26 PM
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coulda been fapping a few minutes earlier...oh well.
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Interesting
Jan 18, 2014, 10:37 AM
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I started with both Chemical Engineering and Architecture at Clemson. After one class of Arch, I decided to follow the engineering route.
It was a very vague field and my engineer side said to hell with that.
Plus being a serious Jounger, I also thought there would be more money in engineering!
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All-In [38514]
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pigs?
Jan 18, 2014, 10:47 AM
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Congrats to your wife.
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