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My solution to this "pay for play" deal
Aug 7, 2013, 10:09 AM
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Why not have it in the contract the player signs on signing day that NCAA and school hold rights to their name/jersey number until player is ineligible to play. Player gets a certain percentage of all revenue made off his name/jersey and it is placed into a trust account that the player receives after ineligibility.
Maybe even allow a monthly withdrawal from it equaling a certain percentage of what is in it. Say 5% monthly. If there is $2,000 in it, player can withdraw $100 that month.
If a player isn't known enough to have money going into it then they should just be thankful they have a scholly.
I don't see the big deal with this type of setup.
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you would.***
Aug 7, 2013, 10:15 AM
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Re: My solution to this "pay for play" deal
Aug 7, 2013, 10:15 AM
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Do you think Clemson's jersey sales can compete with the sales of Ohio St. and Texas? What stops a coach from walking into a recruits home and telling them the average QB at Texas makes 1 million dollars in revenue upon graduation? What stops a booster from telling a recruit that as soon as his jersey hits shelves he will buy 1 million dollars worth if he will attend his University. The rules are in place for a reason.
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good luck.***
Aug 7, 2013, 10:16 AM
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Re: My solution to this "pay for play" deal
Aug 7, 2013, 10:21 AM
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Those are good points.
I'll think on it and get back to you with a solution...
Yes rules are in place for a reason. Problem is, they're screwing players without so much as a kiss.
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Re: My solution to this "pay for play" deal
Aug 7, 2013, 10:24 AM
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They're getting a free education. I don't think many of them leave school with a bunch of debt from student loans.
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Re: My solution to this "pay for play" deal
Aug 7, 2013, 11:20 AM
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tutition <> millions of dollars
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Re: My solution to this "pay for play" deal
Aug 7, 2013, 1:44 PM
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How many players generate >$1M for the school? The ACC has 14 teams with 85 scholarship players on each. That's $1.2B if each is worth $1M over their entire career. That's roughly 100% of the TV revenue for 5 years. That would mean that ticket sales would have to cover the cost of running the programs, including coach's salaries, academic staff, uniforms, support staff, electricity, travel cost, etc. Oh, did I mention that football generates enough money to pay for other non-revenue sports? Maybe basketball can do that since they'll only have to pay for a few players.
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The players are not getting screwed. If they are, they are
Aug 7, 2013, 10:32 AM
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welcome to find a better deal. But guess what. There isn't a better deal. There isn't a better way to make it to the NFL. There isn't a better way to get a free college degree. For some of them, there isn't a better way to even get into college. You know how I know this? Because college football isn't scrambling to fill a roster...they're turning players away. If a player can get a full ride on academics and doesn't need to play football, he's welcome not to play. If he can go play in a semi-pro league and it can prepare him for the NFL, that's fine with the NCAA. It's not the NCAA's fault that no one has developed an effective developmental league for the NFL.
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Re: The players are not getting screwed. If they are, they are
Aug 7, 2013, 11:21 AM
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NCAA and teams make millions every year off of these players. They are most certainly getting screwed.
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Re: The players are not getting screwed. If they are, they are
Aug 7, 2013, 11:22 AM
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Successful businesses are making millions off of there workers.
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...and the workers are getting screwed??? Not management.***
Aug 7, 2013, 11:24 AM
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Re: ...and the workers are getting screwed??? Not management.***
Aug 7, 2013, 11:28 AM
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they aren't getting screwed, they're getting a paycheck. College athletes are getting a free education.
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Re: ...and the workers are getting screwed??? Not management.***
Aug 7, 2013, 12:17 PM
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So if someone employed you to write and record songs and you become popular making 30k a year. They put your name and image on tshirts and other items and make millions of dollars, give you nary a nickel for it and then tell you, no no no, if you go to another work place you'll have to sit out a year with no check.
all of this is ok in your book? If so, you have horrible ethics.
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Re: ...and the workers are getting screwed??? Not management.***
Aug 7, 2013, 12:39 PM
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How much is Clemson tuition right now? They aren't paying for that. They are getting paid "a college education."
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Re: ...and the workers are getting screwed??? Not management.***
Aug 7, 2013, 1:53 PM
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First, it's a slippery slope when we start compensating players on the basis of their onfield performance. That slope is equally slipper when we treat players for revenue sports differently than non-revenue sports. Again still slippery when we treat kids playing for more successful schools differently from less successful lower market kids.
Using your song writer analogy, there would be a couple thousand song writers and the money they generated would be returned to all the other song writers and what didn't go directly to them would go to kids playing guitar or piano.
Nobody is getting rich other than a few coaches. The schools don't sit on the money. They use it to educate. They use it to pay for other sports programs.
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Absurd. College football players are asked to
Aug 7, 2013, 11:28 AM
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play football, maintain a minimum GPA, and keep themselves out of trouble and not receive any compensation for it.
In exchange they are given a full ride to a school. For the average football player it's a dream. For the top-notch, future NFLers, it offers the best coaching, facilities and exposure to get them into the NFL.
If they don't except those terms, they should walk away.
Anyone? Anyone walking away? Any schools out there waving full rides in the air for this deal begging people to suit up for them?
Nnnnnnnnope.
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Out of state players are getting paid $200,000 to $300,000
Aug 7, 2013, 12:13 PM
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to play football at Clemson in the form of a full ride.
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Bigger issue are the folks holding a gun to the
Aug 7, 2013, 10:54 AM
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athletes head and making them sign a LOI. Sounds like to me that the players complaining about not being paid would rather go work 40 hours a week and screw up my orders at Burger King.
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What if those 'obscure' OLs decide to strike? How's that
Aug 7, 2013, 10:23 AM
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'superstar' QB going to feel about no blocking. It's a TEAM game and to allow preferential benefits to a select few simply based on popularity gained from playing a high profile position isn't right. Stipends for everyone, not percentages for a select few. We have enough of that in society in general...+1.
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It's paying players. It ends amateurism.
Aug 7, 2013, 10:28 AM
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At that point, just say that they can be compensated for playing.
The solution to this mess is for schools and the NCAA to shy away from anything that looks like making money off of players. If they have to stop selling jerseys with anything but a "zero" on it, then do it.
Then they need to come out with a statement that college athletics is amateur athletics and will always be.
Anyone who doesn't like it is welcome to start up a developmental football league and pay top players out of high school to play for their league and get them ready for the NFL. The reason no one does this is that despite the fact that people in favor of paying college players act like the colleges and NCAA football would disappear without blue chip super star athletes, the truth is quite the opposite. Without these full rides to college with established fan bases, top-notch facilities and training programs, etc, etc, most of these kids going to the NFL couldn't do it. And many of them would never get the opportunity to obtain a college degree. If you took the best players out of college football, players that had NO interest in obtaining a college degree, then college football would continue to thrive. I loved watching CJ Spiller play, but I was going to watch my Tigers regardless of if CJ was there.
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Do scholarship providers get a portion?***
Aug 7, 2013, 10:33 AM
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Honestly...
Aug 7, 2013, 10:42 AM
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You don't give them a cut like that. How many schools out sell Clemson in regards to jersey? Like the guy above me said, What would keep OSU or Alabama from going in to a recruits home with jersey sales numbers?
Compensation should be as follows: -Scholarship to cover the entire cost of attendance (tuition, room and board, books, technology, and whatever else I'm missing) -A monthly or semesterly (word?) stipend to cover things like dates, video games, whatever else makes life enjoyable for students. -Health coverage while in school
Use the money from TV, game day, and apparel sales to fund this. Done!
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Re: Honestly...
Aug 7, 2013, 10:48 AM
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So how do you decide how much the stipend is? I'm sure some schools like the ones you mentioned could offer bigger stipends than other schools so a player obviously would want to go where he/she is going to get more money.
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You'd have to make it fair across the board.
Aug 7, 2013, 11:04 AM
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When the top 64, or whatever, schools break away into their own division they can decide on what that number should be.
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Re: You'd have to make it fair across the board.
Aug 7, 2013, 11:07 AM
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Will the stipend be for all athletes or just for the sports that make the schools money?
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That is a good point.
Aug 7, 2013, 11:12 AM
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I, personally, think it should be for every student athlete who falls under the same rule as the football and basketball teams, but what does it cost to provide the same benefits to 500 student athletes? An argument can be made for the money making sports vs olympic sports.
I think the end should at least show adjustments made to compensate all student athletes for the time they are not allowed to work during school.
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Re: That is a good point.
Aug 7, 2013, 11:15 AM
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I'm on the fence with it, some times I think they should get something, other times I think they already get enough. They leave school with no debt from student loans, get to travel, free medical care, etc.
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Re: My solution to this "pay for play" deal
Aug 7, 2013, 10:46 AM
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I am totally against paying the players. Doing so would create animosity on the team. For example, Clowney's jersey sells while the other DEs gets nothing. Or Sammy Watkins sell while our other receivers do not.
I think the schools making money over the likeness of the athlete is pretty much like social security. The profit helps fund the scholarships for tomorrow's recruit.
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already get Pell grant money for those who qualify***
Aug 7, 2013, 11:09 AM
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This seems to be missing from most discussions. I've never
Aug 7, 2013, 11:13 AM
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heard anyone breakdown the specifics.
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If the student athlete qualifies he/she gets around $5k/yr
Aug 7, 2013, 12:30 PM
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free cash, does not have to pay back the $$.
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Is there a distinct 'cut off' number or can it be on a
Aug 7, 2013, 12:32 PM
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graduated scale?
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And take all the costs associated
Aug 7, 2013, 11:14 AM
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With it off the top. Tuition books meals tutors maintenance .....
Any business has costs..... And if they get paid the cost is built in
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Re: My solution to this "pay for play" deal
Aug 7, 2013, 12:56 PM
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(Keep in mind this does not include tuition..this is pure profit. I woul love to have $17K a year to spend as I please.)
Football Players Receive $17,000 Annually in Cash, all within NCAA Rules
That’s it. I have had it with the inane and redundant talk about NCAA football student-athletes, specifically football players, not being able pay for a tank of gas or afford a combo meal at Subway. Stop it! Enough is enough. These kids are given ample resources to “survive” during their years on a college campus, and I will prove it to you. I will show you not only the value of a scholarship, but the cash and benefits student-athletes can get all within NCAA rules.
Let me give you some quick background information. I spent nine years working inside athletic departments at Arkansas and Baylor as an academic advisor for student-athletes. I have seen the inner workings of two athletic departments in two major conferences. Let’s get back to the task at hand. I live in Fayetteville, Arkansas, the home of the Razorbacks. In this article, I am going to use Arkansas as my example.
Before we get to the value of a scholarship, let’s start off with the amount of money available to football student-athletes within NCAA rules.
Pell Grant Many football student-athletes qualify for a Pell Grant based on several factors, but most earn a Pell Grant based on a lack of wealth from their parents. According to collegeboard.com, “The U.S. Department of Education uses a standard formula to evaluate the information you supply when applying for a Pell Grant. This formula produces a number called the Expected Family Contribution (EFC), which determines if you are eligible. The grant requires that you: 1. Are an undergraduate student who has not earned a bachelor’s degree. 2. Are a U.S. citizen or an eligible noncitizen. 3. Have a high school diploma or a GED, or demonstrate the ability to benefit from the program”
A full Pell Grant is worth $5,500 a year and never has to be repaid because it is a grant, not a loan. Football players get $5,500 each year to do with what they want.
Clothing Money If a football player qualifies for a Pell Grant, they also get $500 of clothing allowance each year. My memory fails me, but I am almost certain this money is from the conference. Football players can buy whatever clothes they want as long as they bring back $500 worth of receipts to their Compliance department showing the clothes they bought. Now, many football players will spend this money on new Nike’s, hats, jeans or t–shirts. This money could be spent on buying a nice suit, or a few pairs of khaki pants and some button down shirts, but rarely is that the case.
Student-Athlete Opportunity Fund According to Bylaw 15.01.6.2 in the NCAA Manual, each athletic department can use the student-athlete opportunity fund money for anything but financing salaries, scholarships (though paying for summer school is allowed, but a football player’s scholarship covers summer school), capital improvements, stipends, and outside athletic development. The NCAA gives each school a chunk of money each year…roughly $200,000 to help student-athletes out with whatever needs they may have deemed fit by the senior staff member in the athletic department in charge of the money. This money is not just for football, but the entire athletic department. Regardless, if a football player needs money to pay for gas, more new clothes, or a plane ride home, they can legally get money for that.
Special Assistance Fund Football players also have access to a special assistance fund too. According to NCAA bylaw 16.12.2, money from the special assistance fund may be requested as additional financial aid (with no obligation to repay such aid) for special financial needs for student-athletes. I know one school used this fund to fly their basketball players home for the Christmas break. Completely within NCAA rules.
Room and Board Football players typically live on campus with a meal plan at the dining hall during their freshman years. In this case, their scholarship covers all of the cost for their dorm room and meal plan. Most players will live off campus after their freshman year as long as the coach allows it, which is usually determined by how the student-athlete is doing in school. Football players living off campus get a room and board check equal to the amount their university lists in the costs to attend. For Arkansas, it is $4,021 for each fall and spring semester based off of this figure. A total of $8,024 for both semesters. Almost all scholarship football players stay in town for summer school to take care of their academics and workout. Arkansas has 16-week fall and spring semesters. The two summer sessions are a total of 12 weeks. Using that logic, Arkansas football players get 75% (12 weeks instead of 16) of $4,021, which is $3,016.
Here is one non-monetary benefit that may interest readers.
Occasional Meal NCAA Bylaw 16.11.1.5 allows for a student-athlete or an entire team in a sport to have an occasional meal paid for by a representative of athletics interest, also known as a booster, on infrequent and special occasions. The booster can even provide local transportation as long as the meal is at the booster’s house and not a restaurant. The meal cannot be at a house, but can be catered. The meal can be as lavish as the booster wants to provide. Most schools have a form for boosters to fill out before hosting a student-athlete or team. This is another way to feed student-athletes.
The typical non-freshman Arkansas football player received the cash listed below in 2010-11: $5,500- Pell Grant $500- Clothing Fund $8,024- Fall and Spring Room and Board $3,016- Summer Room and Board
$17,040- Grand Total
http://www.holyturf.com/2011/05/football-players-receive-17000-annually-in-cash-all-within-ncaa-rules/
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