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All-In [40353]
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SC school masks no longer required
May 12, 2021, 8:29 AM
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Per executive order from McMaster
Curious to hear if your kids schools are unmasked in large portions
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The school districts are refusing to comply so far.
May 12, 2021, 8:31 AM
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If I was a lawyer, I'd be filing injunctions like a MF'er
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That's not true
May 12, 2021, 8:38 AM
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I've seen several press releases of districts already stating they would comply. Near me, Berkeley County School District said they intend to comply.
Don't spread fake news.
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There's 20 freaking days left in the year. Why bother?***
May 12, 2021, 9:02 AM
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Election.
May 12, 2021, 9:04 AM
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The plan was to wear masks to the end of the year then provide a form for parents to opt-out of masks for next school year.
Apparently that didn't give McMaster enough clout to overshadow Florida's Governor
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Get out of here with your fake news. DD2, CHS, Anderson,
May 12, 2021, 9:12 AM
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etc have released statements saying they aren't changing anything and the kids still have to wear masks. (Pretty much every population center)
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You really need some more education. Or at least a course on
May 12, 2021, 9:16 AM
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critical thinking.
I wonder why school districts would hold fast right now? Could it be they are consulting legal council and DHEC to figure out what to do?
We have 20 days left in the school year.
It's going to take at least half of that to figure out a path forward IF a government agency actually hurries on something. Then another 3 days to draft the forms needed for them not to get sued. Then we are out for summer anyways.
So many districts are just waiting to see
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excuses, excuses***
May 12, 2021, 9:58 AM
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Our district sent out a message that if you send your kids
May 12, 2021, 10:30 AM
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today without a mask, they must have a note from the parent authorizing that, since DHEC has no forms, and it was evidently dropped out of nowhere on the districts.
I'm fine with it for our kids, since they're in elementary school. But regardless of your position on masks in schools, the way the governor did this is absolutely amateur-hour stuff. Only 20 days left in the school year? No warning whatsoever. No plan. Nothing just bewm. Functionally, if nothing else, that's poor leadership.
He made his position clear several weeks ago. He caught a lot of heat for that as well. At that time, he should have been forthcoming and said "Ok, I am going to issue an executive order on May 11th. From that day forward, masks will be optional. Parents must consent, and DHEC will have forms in the schools sent home for parents to sign, if they choose. THAT is how you handle it. But nope, he just did nothing, then issued an EO. Didn't even inform the schools, or even the district leadership. DHEC isn't even on board with the idea.
And then there's the duplicity in the other part of the order, and honestly it's the worst part of it. He previously stated he didn't have the power or the authority to issue mask mandates, and that was a power reserved to local towns, municipalities, and counties. Which is why he issued no mask mandates statewide. Fine, that's a very republican stance, and I can support that. Always defer/dilute power and control, never centralize it. Covid loves that stance, but localities stepped up to the task. Darn near every local entity in the state did however, since he didn't. NOW, he says counties, cities, towns, and school districts have no authority to issue mask mandates, and only the governor has that authority, hence preventing them from enacting them in the future. A total 180. A DeSantis move basically.
Again amateur hour leadership. Regardless of your position on anything.
Sell your rights to local governance to the governor for the "freedom" to choose a mask. And this is why districts are not listening to him or complying. Amateur hour leadership. And if covid gets bad again, municipalities and counties won't listen either. Someone called him milktoast once in here recently. And that's about correct.
And then the duplicity continues. His order in no way prevents counties and local governments from implementing mask policies for their employees, or in their government offices. So government retains a freedom denied to the people and public. It doesn't apply to the judicial branch either. Local courts can make their own rules, just not town councils on behalf of their constituents. Oh, and hospitals are still free to require masks as well. Yep.
Oh, but at least the school districts still have the right to control which vaccines are REQUIRED to attend public schools in their districts. Boy won't the #### hit the fan when they add the covid vaccine to that list. That will be a future executive order I'm sure.
Oh, and here it is fwiw.
https://governor.sc.gov/sites/default/files/Documents/Executive-Orders/2021-05-11%20FILED%20Executive%20Order%20No.%202021-23%20-%20Emergency%20Measures%20Regarding%20Face%20Coverings%20Vaccine%20Passports%20%20Other%20Matters.pdf
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Completely agree with everything you said
May 12, 2021, 10:36 AM
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Why not wait 3 more weeks and remove the mandates for next year? That gives schools 2 months to prepare.
But his republican mouth breathers will eat this up and send him tons of money for his reelection campaign because MASKS ARE AGAINST MY 32ND AMENDMENT RIGHTS!
If COVID did one thing (other than kill a bunch of people) it showed us exactly how stupid people are.
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How much preparation is needed
May 13, 2021, 11:43 AM
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To take off masks?
2 months? Get outta here with that weak sauce
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so, they are refusing to comply.***
May 12, 2021, 10:44 AM
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Is it refusing to comply if schools are trying to figure out
May 12, 2021, 10:46 AM
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how to comply?
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yes.***
May 12, 2021, 10:47 AM
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I'm glad you're not an educator***
May 12, 2021, 10:50 AM
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Wow... Let me say this gently...
May 12, 2021, 11:37 AM
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That's a really ####### stupid take on this.
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Re: Wow... Let me say this gently...
May 12, 2021, 11:52 AM
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I was thinking "you're a farking ####", but yours works too
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Why should they be allowed to disobey an order when
May 12, 2021, 12:20 PM
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everyone else in society had to shut everything down on 0 notice and they were told "too f*cking bad" and got arrested if they tried to open their store or open their church or etc? The school districts don't deserve any special treatment, f*ck them. Comply or else, just like everyone else.
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CT on mask mandates: I'M NOT OBEYING THE GOVERNMENT
May 12, 2021, 12:21 PM
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CT on dropping mask mandates: WHY WON'T YOU JUST OBEY THE GOVERNMENT
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That's not the point he's making.
May 12, 2021, 12:12 PM
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The districts aren't "refusing to comply". McMaster dropped a bomb on them when they weren't ready, and now they're scrambling to make sure their legal ##### are covered. Because if they rush into it and someone gets sick, parents ain't suing McMaster. They're suing the district.
So they're complying but trying to make sure they have their #### together. He should have given all the districts a heads up so they could be ready to roll out the next day.
He essentially said, "Hey, all masks are optional now. Get parents to sign a waiver. Figure out the logistics and do it immediately. Don't care how, just do it."
#### don't work like that.
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Re: That's not the point he's making.
May 12, 2021, 12:20 PM
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You are right.
May 12, 2021, 12:23 PM
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I don't agree with executive orders, but people of a certain political persuasion were all for immediate compliance or arrest when everything was being shut down, and now suddenly they are saying "but but but we need time! we have to figure out what to do! waaaaaaaaaa".
I don't think the governor or the government should have the power to shut things down or force masks or force vaccines or force any d*mn thing.
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Re: You are right.
May 12, 2021, 1:05 PM
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I don't agree with executive orders, but people of a certain political persuasion were all for immediate compliance or arrest when everything was being shut down, and now suddenly they are saying "but but but we need time! we have to figure out what to do! waaaaaaaaaa".
So you oppose executive orders but are willing to compromise your integrity for a "gotcha" towards people you perceive to have different opinions than you?
If someone was upset over governors shutting down an entire state, I would assume the natural reaction should be the same outrage over McMaster's actions.
Shouldn't this be left up to the local governments?
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Emergency orders started it, emergency orders end it.
May 12, 2021, 1:47 PM
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In the ideal world, it would be up to the parents, and we wouldn't have communist schools. Each private business offering education services would make their own policies and live and die by them.
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Where are the communist schools located?***
May 12, 2021, 2:21 PM
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We have communist schools in this country.
May 12, 2021, 7:38 PM
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The state owns them, runs them, forces you to pay for them, etc. They are communist. (yes, I realize I am using the term loosely. Communist, socialist, fascist, who cares, they are all the same where it counts.)
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Wow... okay.
May 13, 2021, 7:57 AM
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So publicly-funded education automatically makes it "communist", and according to you, communism, socialism, and fascism are the same thing.
Well, I'll definitely say whatever school system you came up in definitely is a failure if that's how you view political ideology. What social studies classes did you take at Clemson? I hope the answer is none.
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Yep. If it's funded by force (government), then it's
May 13, 2021, 11:33 AM
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essentially communism. Only voluntarily funded institutions can be considered free market. In my eyes, those are the only two choices.
I realize there are different definitions for all of the isms, but I don't care. They all rely on a group of people using force to make everyone else do what they want, and I don't support that. So they're all communist to me.
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What's your take on libraries?***
May 13, 2021, 11:56 AM
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Same.***
May 13, 2021, 12:43 PM
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How about our military?***
May 13, 2021, 12:50 PM
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same***
May 13, 2021, 1:03 PM
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Re: same***
May 13, 2021, 1:12 PM
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You have a really poor definition of what "communism" is.
May 13, 2021, 12:50 PM
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Thus, we may have to dismiss all of your opinions altogether for such an absurd viewpoint.
Are subways communist? Our roads? Airport security? Our military?
Your opinion on this is ludicrous and obviously not very well thought through.
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Yep, anything involuntarily funded.***
May 13, 2021, 1:04 PM
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So, there is only one form of government - Communism***
May 13, 2021, 1:38 PM
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essentially, yes. Not technically, but who cares.***
May 13, 2021, 10:54 PM
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I know what you're saying and you're not wrong
May 12, 2021, 12:27 PM
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but you should know, more than anybody else, that it's not if the lawsuit works. It's the $$ in the process before it even gets to trial that district don't want to deal with.
Everybody may be covered when it gets to court, but you still have to pay all of those lawyers until it gets laughed out of court.
A large district may not have a problem with that, but there are a lot of smaller districts who can't afford lawyer fees for 15 lawsuits even if it gets laughed out of court when it gets there
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Also have to prove that the school was "grossly negligent"
May 12, 2021, 12:35 PM
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in failing to protect the kid. In other words, that they didn't exercise even slight care for the students well being.
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Re: Also have to prove that the school was "grossly negligent"
May 12, 2021, 12:43 PM
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Re: That's not the point he's making.
May 12, 2021, 12:44 PM
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Let me help both of you out. If the Governor makes an executive order under a declaration of emergency, that’s all the legal cover they need.
That sounds sweet in a perfect world, but lawyers know districts make great targets and often settle out of court to avoid worse costs.
Putting any talk of masks aside, maybe we should ask a bigger question: Should a governor have this much authority over local districts and governments? Others here, including you, argued governors shouldn't the power to shut down a whole state.
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I'm kinda mixed on this...
May 12, 2021, 8:37 AM
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Not so much on the mask issue itself, but on the governor's power. Should a governor have this much authority over all school districts and local governments?
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No
May 12, 2021, 8:49 AM
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And from my understanding this took everyone by surprise
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^^^^ yep. Henry is trying to get re-elected
May 12, 2021, 8:58 AM
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most admin in the state were blindsided by this. What we were told is to hold steady until legal council and DHEC can figure out where to go from here (and also the legality of McMaster's EO).
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I had the same reaction....
May 13, 2021, 11:19 AM
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I dug a little deeper in the EO and it reads that localities and school districts cannot use the gov's emergency declaration any longer to support their mask mandates.
I'm not sure what the regulations are precisely, but it seems to read that local authorities could still have mask mandates, but have to have the basis for the mandate as something other than the state emergency declaration. I'm not sure if that is real distinction or if, for example, the state emergency declaration is the only way a local gov can require masks, therefore making the EO an effective complete ban on mask mandates.
No one that calls themselves a conservative could support the governor banning a rightful act of a local government that should be in the local government's authority. Something like a mask mandate or masks in schools is 100% something that should be decided and administered on the local/district level.
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Re: I had the same reaction....
May 13, 2021, 11:24 AM
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Our school district has agreed to comply once
May 12, 2021, 8:59 AM
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the Dept of Education and DHEC provide guidance and an opt out form.
Because this is actually how executive orders work. The governor does not give direct orders he instructs agencies and officials to implement the order.
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Call me crazy
May 12, 2021, 9:03 AM
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It seems this is happening backwards What FBCooch says is the same that I’ve heard and read
Why not have DHEC and the guidelines in place before releasing this?
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Because it's a decision made on politics?
May 12, 2021, 9:12 AM
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(And that doesn't mean that I disagree with it.)
My wife works in the district office and they had absolutely no warning or inclination that this was in the works. Everything up until this was that they'd finish the year under the current guidelines.
They've been receiving threats overnight from parents. It has put them in a difficult spot which could have been avoided.
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I'll be you a cheeseburger
May 12, 2021, 9:14 AM
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CharlestonTom® is one of those callers
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Va schools still require them hence why my kid is virtual
May 12, 2021, 9:01 AM
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If parents don't like it, just stay virtual then. Win win
I didn't want my youngen wearing a mask all day.
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Lol, taking a political stand at the expense of your
May 13, 2021, 8:56 AM
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child's education.
Sheez Louise.
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If it were me, and I could guarantee this path wouldn't kill
May 12, 2021, 9:17 AM
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somebody,
I would follow McMaster's EO to the T. Then when a kid or parent/grandparent got sick from picking up COVID at school and the district got sued, I would name McMaster as the Co-Defendant.
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One of Ms. Wilbur's Kindergarteners test positive for 'rona.
May 12, 2021, 9:43 AM
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Last week. Mother just shared the news yesserday. Way to be proactive, biitch.
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She's at McKissick in Seasley....so no...***
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ah ok. We got the email from the district saying
May 13, 2021, 10:20 AM
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that masks would no longer be required and then an hour later another from the principal saying a student had tested positive. whee.
I'm ready for summer.
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step in the right direction........
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Any Teacher/parent/grandparent who WANTS the vaccine has had more than enough time and access to get it by now...............any pushback against the idea of unmasking kids to me means you're never going to be ok with it and if that's the case then just stay in your house away from everybody and let others get back to normal.
If you want the vaccine = GET IT if you don't want the vaccine = DON'T, but don't force the vaccinated to still wear masks if you got the vaccine but still don't trust it = WHY DID YOU GET IT? if you got the vaccine just to appease the vaccinators and live maskless = by all means LIVE IT
all i've heard since last MARCH was "when there's a vaccine we can then get back to normal".....well it got here faster than expected......everybody can get it if they want it and THAT was quicker than anticipated.
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And the ones saying what you just did
May 12, 2021, 11:40 AM
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will be the FIRST ones dialing all 7's when they or a family member gets the rona.
This isn't about going back to normal vs. not going back to normal. This is about school districts having time to figure out how to comply without emptying out their litigation budget.
Most school districts were already putting plans in motion to go back to normal next year before Governor Foghorn Leghorn threw gas on the fire (that was about to go out).
Trust me, if there's one constant thing in life, it's a person wanting to sue a school district.
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for sure......
May 12, 2021, 11:46 AM
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that's why I said "step in the right direction". It was not directed toward the Districts that don't "drop masks NOW!"..........this is for the "drop mask pushbacks" (ie parents/teachers). I know a few people on legal teams for school district and "getting a plan, crossing Ts, dotting I's" is what should be done.
Again, my beef is with the blow up of parent/teacher pushback about dropping masks in schools period, not with the legal teams and school districts on the "timeliness" of dropping masks after the Governor's statement.
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Mostly what I'm hearing from teachers/parents/admin/etc
May 12, 2021, 12:00 PM
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isn't that they are dropping the mask, but the way McMaster is trying to force districts to drop them.
Like I said, this was already in the works with D.O admin working with Spearman, DHEC, and lawyers to ensure that it would be done right, safe, and fair.
Then our glorious Governor throws a wrench in the process. Just like when he said earlier that he wanted mask mandates gone, we had to take time away from actually working on how to go about that to type up CYA documents and field phone calls from anti-mask mouth breathers about why we aren't doing that yet.
In other words, he's wasting a lot of people's time just to score some political points.
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I hear opposite, but "BOTH SIDES" are going to be vocal.....
May 12, 2021, 12:20 PM
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my wife is a school nurse and she's heard 6 VACCINATED teachers in her school alone threaten to resign and/or just off the rails about de-masking kids in general b/c they're still afraid of catching COVID. No idea how many vaccinated parents have that same mindset, but I imagine a lot.
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Yeah it's going to be crazy
May 12, 2021, 12:23 PM
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but if you're fully vaccinated, and teachers still want to resign over masks.. then I say
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agreed***
May 12, 2021, 12:45 PM
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Hahaha that’s hilarious
May 12, 2021, 11:56 AM
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I'm glad I don't live where you live
May 12, 2021, 12:02 PM
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I haven't heard the first thing about wanting to keep the mask mandates.
But then again most of the constituents around here actually trust our board and super.
Your people sound crazy
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Re: I'm glad I don't live where you live
May 12, 2021, 12:10 PM
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I'm not saying I want to keep the masks because I don't
May 12, 2021, 12:18 PM
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my point in this thread is that McMaster's EO was stupidly done. At the absolute very least he should have gave districts a heads up so we could have prepared.
My point is this was already happening around the state. I don't know of many districts that planned on keeping masks mandatory next year.
The plan was to keep masks until the end of the year, then work with DHEC and DOE to get whatever legal paperwork for optional masks next year (even Molly sent out emails stating as such).
Then our Governor blew up that plan so he could look good for reelection.
So now when district no longer have mask mandates (which they already weren't) next year, he say strut around saying, see, I did that.
All he did was blow up the plan so he could take credit for what was already about to happen
A true Trumpublican move
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Re: I'm not saying I want to keep the masks because I don't
May 12, 2021, 12:25 PM
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We are saying the same thing. McMaster isn't wrong
May 12, 2021, 12:29 PM
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how he went about it was wrong
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Re: We are saying the same thing. McMaster isn't wrong
May 12, 2021, 12:33 PM
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0 cases among 22 schools and 18k students?
May 13, 2021, 9:03 AM
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I'll go with a very solid BS on that. That using quick probability.
I mean, my middle schooler got it. At school. In March. And there was a teacher + 5 other students from the SAME CLASS that also got it.
So that's what 6 out of 30?
Not sure what state you are in, but using SC statistics about 11% of our population got Covid and about half of those have been since January. So let's go with 5% since then.
That math would equate to 900 cases among 18,000.
Where do you live, North Korea?
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Re: 0 cases among 22 schools and 18k students?
May 13, 2021, 10:49 AM
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You just highlighted a problem
May 13, 2021, 10:27 AM
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This is the governor's decision and he rushed into it without warning school districts. As you just stated, people are threatening to sue the district for someone else's call.
People aren't rational. Lawyers know districts are easy prey. They'll get sued for #### they didn't do.
That's why some sort of heads up should have happened.
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Re: SC school masks no longer required
May 12, 2021, 1:20 PM
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Gawd, painful thread.
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The DHEC opt out forms have already been sent out as of noon***
May 12, 2021, 2:02 PM
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Good. Hope by Friday we can be done with these #### masks***
May 12, 2021, 2:05 PM
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A district close by has informed parents they can email
May 13, 2021, 9:32 AM
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the principal and opt their child out of wearing masks
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I heard in Beaufort they basically said
May 13, 2021, 11:30 AM
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If you wanna show up in a mask, great!
Essentially opting in and not doing the legwork to opt out
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Re: I heard in Beaufort they basically said
May 13, 2021, 11:35 AM
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Re: SC school masks no longer required
May 13, 2021, 11:35 AM
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to not wear a mask you simply have to receive a paper and let your parents sign it. Alot of kids that attend the same Highschool as me don't wear them since its optional now.
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Re: SC school masks no longer required
May 13, 2021, 11:44 AM
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Re: SC school masks no longer required
May 13, 2021, 1:06 PM
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no students would have them below their noses, and depending on the teacher no masks at all inside the classroom, but it was required that you had to wear it in the hallways and going to lunch if not eating. for me it was only hard to wear my mask coming from gym because it was hot and hard to breathe, but other than that IMO it isn't hard to wear a mask.
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Re: SC school masks no longer required
May 13, 2021, 1:11 PM
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also to answer your other question I don't think it'll have a negative impact, but I think more people will be more judgemental because some students choose not to wear masks anymore. I think I fit in more of the judgemental group because I just dont have a problem wearing a mask in school, but I get it theres only 10 more school days left, and its a low chance students get covid.
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Re: SC school masks no longer required
May 13, 2021, 2:40 PM
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