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Mark it down - Four 16 team superconferences by 2016
Dec 10, 2012, 8:31 PM
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Why? One reason is there just aren't enough fans to go around. D1 attendance was the lowest this year than it's been since 2003. The NFL tightly controls its inventory and I think the economics will force D1 football to do the same. Fans have so many entertainment choices today, they are not going to sit around and watch mediocrity.
This day and time anything worse than a one loss season just isn't acceptable, and fans jump off the wagon very quickly. All the good coaches and players will go to where the money is, and the money is where the TV is, and the TV is where the excitement is, and the excitement is where the best fans, players, and coaches are.
Even though CU and FSU don't add anything to the SEC from a TV footprint standpoint, I still have a feeling that ultimately that's where they'll wind up. CU and FSU offer energy and TV likes energy. Talk about a knock down drag out conference, I'm excited already.
I think Barker and the boys are very sincere today about keeping the ACC intact, but it seems to me the economics just won't allow it. Basketball will never have the following that football does. The leftover schools will become "farm teams" in effect for young coaches and "not quite good enough" players.
Flame away.
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Most accurate description of the coming changes
Dec 10, 2012, 8:40 PM
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I have seen anywhere. I believe you to be exactly right. The SEC needs to realize there is a difference between "Programming" and "QUALITY Programming".
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Athletic Dir [881]
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Re: Possible but
Dec 10, 2012, 8:45 PM
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If it does happen, I'll be long gone as a fan. Everything that I love about college football will be sold out for money just like the NFL.
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Re: Its about there now. ESPN has ruined CF.
Dec 10, 2012, 8:49 PM
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If Barker and the BOT are 1000% ACC as they claim, we are screwed!!
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Re: Mark it down - Four 16 team superconferences by 2016
Dec 10, 2012, 8:59 PM
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The SEC is currently at 14 teams.Using your argument of tv,and money I look for N.C.State and possibly Virginia,(or even West Virginia )to be asked by the SEC to join.Adding both teams would then have the SEC at the 16 team level you invision.
If not the Big 12 for Clemson,and FSU,I see the ACC adding schools like UCONN,perhaps Syracuse into the ACC.You could add a Navy,a Cincinatti or South Florida and come up with 16 teams.
Granted the ACC might be the weak sister,but they would still get a representitive in any playoff scenario that comes with this new conference aligment.
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ACC wouldn 't be the weak sister, it would be ............
Dec 10, 2012, 9:08 PM
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left out entirely. The four 16 team superconferences will be what are today the PAC-12, The Big-12, the Big-10 and the SEC. The ACC would join the other schools in the FCS. The airheads that are 100% committed to the ACC are going to ruin Clemson Football as we know it. We'll be lucky to draw 20,000 for homecoming by 2025.
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Big 12 is a wreck if Texas leaves, 4th league could be ACC***
Dec 10, 2012, 9:15 PM
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For whatever reason, the initial rumor aired on ESPN said
Dec 10, 2012, 9:11 PM
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A&M and Mizzou followed by FSU and Clemson later. There were many early denials and false starts for A&M and Mizzou and yet, there they are.
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Not sure The ACC is dead yet. I would say the The Big 12 is
Dec 10, 2012, 9:00 PM
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in worse long term position than The ACC. The Big 12 can't start a Big 12 network because of the Longhorn Network and the OU Network. They also can't expand west, north, or south they can only go east and they have to skip a bunch of states to get to there closet team. Other than Texas they have very small TV markets. They have also lost some of there biggest riviary games OU/Neb,Texas/Texas A&M,Colorado/Neb,and Texas/Neb. The ACC should form The ACC Network they have a very large population base in the base states. They shoulWith the d also go get a 15th team and tell Notre Dame either to get all in or replace them with a 16th team. Miami, FSU, VaTech, and UNC aren't staying bad forever. The ACC with its own network could greatly increase its dollars. With the right moves The ACC could be in very good shape within 5 or 6 years this is why The Big 10 and SEC would like to kill it now. The ACC needs to hold strong and move to add teams and a network and invest in its brand and do it quickly. The Big 12 is land locked and can't expand without moving out of there area. I think The ACC could become a very strong conference with the right moves.
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Hogwash!!************
Dec 10, 2012, 9:09 PM
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How so? How can The Big 12
Dec 10, 2012, 9:15 PM
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get bigger and better than they are now? They can't have there own network, they have to jump out of there base area to grow. No teams for them to take accpet east. The ACC needs to move and stay strong no defections and they can become strong nothing stays the same forever.
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Clemson/FSU to SEC; Texas/Oklahoma to B1G.***
Dec 10, 2012, 9:07 PM
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If we really go to four 16-team superconferences, I still
Dec 10, 2012, 9:28 PM
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think the Big 12 is in more trouble than the ACC. The Big 12 is already being held hostage by Texas and Oklahoma with their TV networks, and they are in much worse shape than the ACC is in terms of being able to get schools to actually come to their conference. The Big 12 lost 4 schools in Nebraska, Colorado, Texas A&M, and Missouri, and they've only added a Mountain West and Big East school. The ACC has recently lost Maryland, but gained Pitt, Syracuse, Louisville, and a Notre Dame school that was offered a nearly identical deal by the Big 12. Some reported that both BYU and Louisville even rejected Big 12 offers, which may or not be true. However, it is true that the Big 12 doesn't even have enough teams to host a conference championship currently.
You also have to consider where the Pac 12 would expand from to get to 16. The only place they can look after adding Boise State and BYU would be the Big 12. There just aren't any other attractive options out west that would add to their TV deal. The Big 10 would also probably get in on the bidding, and you'd soon see Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas being the most prized pieces out there. I think you'd probably see Kansas and Oklahoma going to the Big 10, and Texas and TCU to the Pac 12 (along with BYU and Boise State). Then you'd see the SEC add 2 more schools, which may be current ACC schools, but then the ACC would pick up Big 12 and Big East scraps.
We're obviously not in as good of a position as the SEC or Big 10, mainly because of poor leadership, but geographically, it makes sense for the ACC to outlast the Big 12. There are actually just as many fans of Big 12 schools just as afraid of their conference's demise as there are ACC fans with the same fears.
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