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Watched the "Surviving Black Hawk Down" documentary on Netflix last night

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Watched the "Surviving Black Hawk Down" documentary on Netflix last night

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Feb 12, 2025, 10:30 AM

Dew wreck-o-mend....

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That movie made me so angry

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Feb 12, 2025, 10:34 AM

will the documentary make it worse?

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Me too.

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Feb 12, 2025, 10:45 AM

Those poor people were just tryna live their best lives and then some white devils had to come and crash their helicopter right into their neighborhood. no cap.

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Probably... Just about everyone should watch it IMO - even if it makes you angry

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Feb 12, 2025, 11:01 AM [ in reply to That movie made me so angry ]

It serves as a very real cautionary tale of what can happen when US national interests are not well defined or non-existent in an intervention, how we shouldn't rush into situations where we don't fully understand the culture and forces at play, and the dangers of not having an over-arching strategy with defined outcomes and end states. The downward spiral of allowing military mission creep to lead to a complete mission change is also very prevalent in the Somalia debacle.

The documentary does a good job of talking with both Americans and Somali's on the ground that day.

It does make you ask - how did our political leadership (Bush then Clinton) believe it was a good idea to insert ourselves in the middle of a third world savage civil war for which we had no obvious national interest? Are moral arguments and justifications of "we are just there to feed starving people" a real US national interest?? Were the eventual military operational escalations that took place in the national interest?

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Also - after watching it I'm going to get CSM(R) Tom Satterly's book

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Feb 12, 2025, 11:12 AM

"All Secure" and give it a read. Satterly was a long time Delta operator who was in the worst of this fight as well as many others during his career.

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The flip side of that coin is the Rwanda genocide.

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Feb 12, 2025, 11:18 AM [ in reply to Probably... Just about everyone should watch it IMO - even if it makes you angry ]

Where we sat on our hands and a million people died. Afterwards we were like, "Yeah we probably should've done something about that."

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Well - I imagine a big part of the reason we stayed out of Rwanda is that

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Feb 12, 2025, 11:42 AM

the Somalia debacle was still fresh in the Clinton Admin's mind as well as the US electorates. There simply was no appetite in the USA for our military who had just left Somalia to turn around and immediately insert ourselves into Rwanda - another African tribal civil war for which we had no true understanding of it's roots or history.

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I did the civil design for a distilery for one of those dudes

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Feb 12, 2025, 10:51 AM

You can support his business here.

https://hallingwhiskey.com/

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The founder of that company (Brad Halling) was interviewed in the documentary.

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Feb 12, 2025, 11:58 AM

He was a sniper in the same Black Hawk as fellow operators Randy Shughart and Gary Gordon.

Shughart and Gordon would later be awarded the Medal of Honor (posthumous) for their defense of the second downed Black Hawk in Mogadishu. I'm fairly certain those guys knew they were going on a suicide mission when they voluntarily jumped out of their Black Hawk to go and defend/secure the second downed Black Hawk. That kind of bravery and commitment to their fellow soldiers is enough to bring tears to your eyes.

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Re: Watched the "Surviving Black Hawk Down" documentary on Netflix last night

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Feb 12, 2025, 12:51 PM

I watched it last night. The interviews were solid. Our soldiers were interesting. I already know the story, so there really wasn't anything that new. It was really well made though and gets you a good feel for both sides.

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