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may be in the minority, but I am d@mn proud that Dabo
Dec 16, 2021, 3:17 PM
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is sticking to "we will start with HS kids, and look at the portal if there are still needs". You can not like it all you want, but you have to agree that there is zero compromise on our culture and what we are about...
and it's d@mn refreshing in the current landscape
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Re: may be in the minority, but I am d@mn proud that Dabo
Dec 16, 2021, 3:22 PM
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You are in the minority, because this is what CFB has become. I agree with using it sparingly as possible, but it seems to me we don't even try to land quality players available on the portal, we have not one I can remember. You cant tell me that we couldn't have gotten some well needed RB OT or WR depth on the portal this year, yes some were injuries but we were thing coming into this year already with previous transfers.
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Re: may be in the minority, but I am d@mn proud that Dabo
Dec 16, 2021, 3:23 PM
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Agree. Shows how he wants to build his program!
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Re: may be in the minority, but I am d@mn proud that Dabo
Dec 16, 2021, 3:24 PM
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And if that continues we will drop further and further back from the Elite programs. That's reality.
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Re: may be in the minority, but I am d@mn proud that Dabo
Dec 16, 2021, 3:28 PM
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Further and further ? We missed on a qb , you do realize if we had just mediocre qb play we prob are playing for another title this year ?
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Re: may be in the minority, but I am d@mn proud that Dabo
Dec 16, 2021, 3:30 PM
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This isn't about our results on the field this past season. The results on the field this past season are attributed to recruiting classes long ago. Look at our current recruiting class. Look our current roster. Roster management has become a clear weakness of this program since the portal began and unless and until the portal is embraced that slide will continue. Every program will have to treat the portal with as much importance as HS recruiting to remain relevant.
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Re: may be in the minority, but I am d@mn proud that Dabo
Dec 16, 2021, 6:51 PM
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Couch coaches are a dime a dozen. Let’s see how it plays out. My money is on Dabo and our coaches who I will continue to have faith in until i see they can’t produce. Doom and gloom don’t produce anything
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Re: may be in the minority, but I am d@mn proud that Dabo
Dec 16, 2021, 3:28 PM
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I don’t think you are the minority … think they majority feels the same but the minority can be loud sometimes
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I agree. I do doubt The Tigers will be able to compete at
Dec 16, 2021, 3:29 PM
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the highest level going forward though.
Dabo's true family culture will not be sustainable if he starts bringing kids in from the portal just to get a possible slight upgrade over a kid who has "put in the work and waited his turn".
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if they're out there.. Dabo will find one and get him***
Dec 16, 2021, 3:32 PM
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Re: I agree. I do doubt The Tigers will be able to compete at
Dec 16, 2021, 3:45 PM
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I don't think we will nor should we get kids from the portal to replace someone on the roster. This is about getting kids from the portal to replace the one's we're losing on the roster.
We cannot replenish our roster each year with HS kids to replace 2nd and 3rd year kids that bolt. For one it's not practical and for 2 it would be a never ending "young roster".
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2nd and 3rd year kids who are not playing
Dec 16, 2021, 4:26 PM
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1) There's a reason they aren't playing
2) If they aren't playing, why does it hurt to replace them with a high school kid?
We're not going to lose 10 transfers then bring in 10 transfers
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because he's not even doing that........
Dec 16, 2021, 4:33 PM
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we're "in the red" with numbers.
hypothetically we lose 10 kids to the portal, then we either:
1. get some from portal (doesn't have to be all 10)
2. increase your original signing class (hasn't done that)
3. give to walk-ons (which depletes talent).....mid year to backfill a transfer is understandable, but Dabo's not going to "PULL" a schollie once he gives it.
we've lost 9 this year, if we're not going to take ANY portal guys then our recruiting class needs to be around 23-24 players.........I've read where we may get another 4-5 b/w now and Feb signing day (quality may or may not be an issue, "late to the game" offers are often the lesser talented kids)
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It comes down to simple math.
Dec 16, 2021, 4:47 PM
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Clemson has a notoriously tough math department. I have mostly awful memories of some ridiculous math courses in Martin Hall. But through it all, I did learn how to count and my conclusion here is that we need more scholarship-worthy football players on our roster.
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Do you believe we'll add some
Dec 16, 2021, 4:52 PM
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whether through the portal or the February signing day? Also understanding Dabo will always leave some open for walk-ons who have earned it
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he has to b/c right now we're 12-13 short......
Dec 16, 2021, 4:56 PM
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and that's assuming there aren't any more transfers we don't see coming or "retirements" or some other attrition reasons................again.......it's SIMPLE MATH
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Problem is we don’t have kids that have put in
Dec 16, 2021, 4:09 PM
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The work and waited their turn. They are entering the portal. I agree with original post somewhat. I think we start with high school and develop as many as we can, but we have to fill some of the gaps the portal is leaving.
Also people need to quit acting like the portal is full of terrible kids that wouldn’t fit the culture. I’m sure there are plenty we recruited originally. There are 9 in there that accepted an offer and played at Clemson.
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right proper governor***
Dec 16, 2021, 3:30 PM
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NOBODY is saying to rely on the portal as a foundation!!
Dec 16, 2021, 3:32 PM
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I don't know how you don't get this.
PORTAL UTILIZATION doesn't mean go get all your players from the portal. Like it or not Dabo has dropped the ball BIGTIME with his roster management. That's why we're "in the red" from a scholarship/roster numbers standpoint right now.
-he's ignored the reality that CLEMSON WILL LOSE 7-8 players per year to the portal
-he's been DEAD SET AGAINST the portal for his reasons
-our scholarship offer numbers are way too low in this CFB world we're in now (ie if we don't get target 1 or 2, we have to send out late to the game offers to other kids in hopes they'll committ.........most of the time these are "fallback/less talented players"......or what pumpers like to call "diamonds in the rough"
-Over signing is something he's against as well, but ........it may be a necessity to an extent to navigate the CFB world right now.
NOBODY has clamored for Dabo to "live in the portal"............transfers are no longer "bad apples, quitters, cancers to team, etc...."............there are over 2,000 kids and SOME ARE CURRENT STARTERS ON THEIR OWN TEAM..............he must adapt and utilize or we will CONTINUE our fall.
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holds hand up
Dec 16, 2021, 3:36 PM
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Who will fail?
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Please highlight the Dabo quote…
Dec 16, 2021, 4:53 PM
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Where he said he’s “dead set against using it”.
Last chance.
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Please read the post***
Dec 16, 2021, 4:54 PM
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You said, and I quote…
Dec 16, 2021, 4:58 PM
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“he's been DEAD SET AGAINST the portal for his reasons“
I’m asking for a link where Dabo has stated that. Or that he is unwilling to use it. Or that he isn’t going to ever use it. To date, you, nor anyone else has provided that. Can we say that “Dabo has yet to use the portal”? Sure. Anything beyond that is simply not true. If you have a quote from him that supports your statement, this is your opportunity to share. If not, you’re making up stuff to worry about.
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go read any interview transcripts w/ portal questions......
Dec 16, 2021, 5:29 PM
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there's even been recent ones where he lays out why he doesn't like it and doesn't like the direction it's going...........which I 100% agree with him on, BUT the portals here, it's real, he has to adapt.
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That is 100%…
Dec 16, 2021, 5:40 PM
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Not what I asked you to provide. I know what he’s said. He’s been clear. I also know what he’s not said. That last part is what escapes others.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [101580]
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RA'd for an attempt to get around the profanity filter...
Dec 16, 2021, 3:34 PM
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read the rulez
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A lot of this has to do with education
Dec 16, 2021, 3:43 PM
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He wants them to earn degrees. The credits from other colleges don't transfer over easily. And I doubt that a sophomore or junior wants to start over from scratch and when eligibility is gone so are they.
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Re: A lot of this has to do with education
Dec 16, 2021, 3:46 PM
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But wouldn't that be the case anywhere they go? It's not like if he refuses to take them in that they're automatically going to go back to their original school. So if that were his argument, which i doubt it is, the transfer of credits could be an issue whether they come to Clemson or any other school.
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Re: A lot of this has to do with education
Dec 16, 2021, 3:50 PM
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Other schools dont' give a carp about the players earning their degrees.
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yes they do......
Dec 16, 2021, 3:57 PM
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there are 130 FBS schools in the country
127 have utilized the portal
the 3 that HAVE NOT are Air Force, Army, & Clemson.
there may be some that have lower "standards" and don't care "as much", but there are a lot of VERY good academic institutions that care out of the 127 programs that have utilized the portal.............stop acting like Clemson is "holier than thou"
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What are the graduation rates for those transfers....
Dec 16, 2021, 4:58 PM
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...and, what are the graduation rate of their football programs overall?
HINT: it ain't like Dabo's
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Re: may be in the minority, but I am d@mn proud that Dabo
Dec 16, 2021, 3:49 PM
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I think you're in the vast majority on how you feel. I feel the same way, but Dabo and company will have to adjust to the current way of doing things. I don't like the direction of "college" sports, but in this era of no rules... anything goes... we have to adapt.
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Re: may be in the minority, but I am d@mn proud that Dabo
Dec 16, 2021, 3:50 PM
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I am proud of Dabo as well and appreciate the way he builds the Clemson program.
That said, I would like to apply for the Director of Roster Management position so I can help him build a forecast model based on a monte carlo simulation that accounts for player attrition to the portal so that he set his recruiting class sizes appropriately.
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I haven’t seen any posts here wanting Dabo to rely heavily on transfers.
Dec 16, 2021, 4:02 PM
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I think we all see the value in getting high school kids, developing them, and watching them become significant contributors over the course of their Clemson careers.
The criticism here of Dabo as it relates to the transfer portal centers around the fact that he has literally never used it, despite low scholarship numbers, significant attrition due to our own players leaving the program, and obvious positions (especially on offense) where we are severely lacking in depth.
Plus, based on the above plus some comments he has made in the past, the perception is that he is against the portal and is largely unwilling to use it.
I realize that he has said he will use it if necessary, but thus far he hasn’t viewed it as necessary and a case can be made that it is necessary. Actions speak louder than words.
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100% correct!***
Dec 16, 2021, 4:05 PM
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Re: 100% correct!***
Dec 16, 2021, 5:04 PM
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I hope he gets at least one to keep you guys from whining so much. It seems it is getting on your nerves because you can’t control Dabo. Let Dabo handle his program. I’m sure Judge wants to divert everyone away from Brad.
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Link to any Dabo quote where he said he is unwilling...
Dec 16, 2021, 4:21 PM
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to use the portal. Just one quote will work.
If you, or others, are having a difficult time with this, it’s not because of what Dabo said, it’s because of your inability to either A) understand what he has said or B) believe what he has said.
I’ve provided multiple links in the past to his consistent message about the portal. No one has provided a link where he has ever said he would not use it. It’s that simple.
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Nobody has said that Dabo has said hes "unwilling to use it"
Dec 16, 2021, 4:39 PM
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but TO DATE he HAS been unwilling to use it..........and we're at a significant deficit from a numbers standpoint........as the poster said actions speak louder than words.
he's backed himself into a situation to where he has ZERO choice BUT to use it this year........it shouldn't have gotten to this point. His "all things sunshine" mentality has prevented him from realizing that the FACTS are he WILL LOSE 7-8 "All-in" players to the portal EVERY SINGLE YEAR.............no matter how good his process is on evaluating these kids out of HS, nowadays 25-30% of his classes are hitting the portal at some point in their Clemson careers.
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You should re read JK’s post…
Dec 16, 2021, 5:04 PM
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“ Plus, based on the above plus some comments he has made in the past, the perception is that he is against the portal and is largely unwilling to use it.”
And my statement is still true. Since no one has supplied a quote, folks are either not comprehending his message or don’t believe what he is saying. Which camp are you in?
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i usually just pee on jk’s post.
Dec 16, 2021, 5:09 PM
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too much clemson in me.
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It’s bizarre…
Dec 16, 2021, 5:19 PM
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An entire argument that is based on the exact opposite of what our coach actually said.
Listen, if you told me you’re dating, and you’re not opposed to starting a family one day, is your lack of wife and children today evidence you are actually against having kids in the future, and you are a liar? And is it reasonable for me to assume the only way for you to prove otherwise is for you to run out and find someone to have kids with immediately, even if they aren’t your type, just to prove you aren’t a liar. It’s silly.
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theclash's lack of wife is evidence he is against
Dec 16, 2021, 5:33 PM
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dating women
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the fact that they are in the portal is proof they are not
Dec 16, 2021, 4:09 PM
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"all in!" end of story.
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Re: may be in the minority, but I am d@mn proud that Dabo
Dec 16, 2021, 4:48 PM
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you are not in the minority of Clemson fans or at least the ones I speak to. We do want to start with HS kids using the portal sparingly. I can't think of any position that we knew as of May 1 that we needed for the 2021 season. Maybe QB since TP was injured. Our depth problems started in the summer and during the year with injuries and 3-4 quitting the team during the season.
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Re: may be in the minority, but I am d@mn proud that Dabo
Dec 16, 2021, 4:55 PM
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Agree. I’m sure Dabo does not like having to use the portal but he has recognized that he will have to with the current state of affairs in college football. It takes a lot of the fun out of it when you know kids and their parents are putting themselves up for highest bidder.
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Agreed. Use portal very sparingly. 1-2 per year maybe.***
Dec 16, 2021, 6:11 PM
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