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Clemson Conqueror [11657]
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MAGA spiracy - this time COVID vax (DNA contaminant)
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Another smoking gun (this one is a howitzer) regarding the unsafe factors in COVID 19 vaccines. We’ve been getting DNA … not just mRNA … when getting the vax.
(*). The scientist in this clip attributes the majority of blame about the vaccine safety problems as being due to incompetence within the federal government’s health / medicine regulatory agencies.
In contrast to the composition of Pfizer’s original COVID 19 vax (which contained only mRNA as the genetic material, and which was approved via the EUA route), apparently lot #s of commercial scale production batches also contained DNA strands of ~ 100+ base pairs.
University of South Carolina professor Dr. Phillip Buckholtz (Ph. D in both Biochemistry and Molecular Biology) testifies before SC Senate.
Holy boogers! DNA contamination of many different types? This would go a long ways towards explaining the myriad of different types of health complications (including many serious conditions) which are associated with the COVID vax.
Let the next chorus of ‘MAGA Conspiracy Theorists’ commence. That’s fine, but for heaven’s sake stop taking boosters, and hold off on taking the next (coming to a theater near you) COVID vaccine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEWHhrHiiTY
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Another one of Cata's COVID myths, eh...? It certainly
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Sep 20, 2023, 10:47 PM
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needs further evaluation. Either way, it won't change my choice. Wife and I have already sworn off the next.
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We need new conspiracies, all ours end up being true***
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Re: MAGA spiracy - this time COVID vax (DNA contaminant)
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Sep 21, 2023, 7:46 AM
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This is obviously a MAGA doctor and therefore anything they say can be ignored. Get your booster or you're a murderer who should be fired from your job and sent to a concentration camp.
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Did you type this while waiting
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Sep 21, 2023, 7:58 AM
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in line for your fifth booster or for your fast food burger?
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Ultimate Tiger [33815]
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" It was the best 'sucky' option that we had."
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Sep 21, 2023, 8:20 AM
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....says the usuc scientist.
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Clemson Conqueror [11657]
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Re: Hey
Sep 25, 2023, 11:19 PM
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Big mouth + small brain = ignorant person.
Don’t let new information scare you. It’s OK to start thinking.
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Tiger Titan [48931]
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Re: Hey
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Sep 26, 2023, 8:34 AM
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You got torched. You didn't post information; you posted a fraudulent study. When Flow tore it apart, you ran away.
Vaccines don't cause autism.
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Clemson Conqueror [11657]
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Re: Hey
Sep 26, 2023, 9:35 PM
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Start a new post about vax and autism. This thread is about problems with the COVID vax that do not necessarily pertain to autism.
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Ultimate Tiger [35192]
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That testimony is interesting....
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Sep 21, 2023, 9:28 AM
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I watched the whole thing...sounds like it needs some attention and more data.
Based on his comments at the 30:44 mark, it sure seems like you might be jumping the gun a bit with your comments in your OP.
https://youtu.be/IEWHhrHiiTY?si=9FDDPZ1tHbgFM7v5&t=1844
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Yeah, his comments about not peer-reviewing are concerning
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Sep 21, 2023, 5:52 PM
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He might be right, but his resistance to going that route certainly should throw some red flags to anyone objectively judging his arguments.
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For what benefit?
Sep 22, 2023, 10:08 AM
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depopulation?
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Are you trying to tell us...
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Sep 22, 2023, 7:58 AM
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That RTD got all excited about a report that isn't peer reviewed or scientifically confirmed?
I'm shocked.
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Ultimate Tiger [35192]
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yeah...and the bigger point...
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Sep 22, 2023, 9:23 AM
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and this applies to all sides of the political spectrum...is that too many people search out things that support opinions they've already formed. And too many people just jump on anything that says anything close to what they already believe. This is a good example of that. If'n I was a betting man, I would bet that RTD didn't even watch the whole thing.
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Re: yeah...and the bigger point...
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Sep 22, 2023, 10:13 AM
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This is a good example of that. If'n I was a betting man, I would bet that RTD didn't even watch the whole thing.
I wouldn't take that bet even if you gave me the point spread.
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Re: yeah...and the bigger point...
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Sep 25, 2023, 11:29 PM
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I read an article about this DNA contaminant in COVID vax before looking up U of South Carolina’s discussion bwith SC legislative committee.
Then I watched the video. Twice.
Why do you feel threatened by credible information?
Isn’t the health of you and your loved ones more important than preserving your pride (re: from ridiculing those who distrusted the govt’s health agencies as being ‘conspiracy theorist nut jobs’)?
(***). There is no conclusion that the DNA contaminant is indeed a cause of cancer or other diseases. There is proof that the FDA didn’t do its job to take the effort to test commercial batches of vax for contaminants; it is a complete dereliction of responsibility to approve pilot scale batches of a new vaccine, but then fail to also test batches made in commercial batch scale equipment.
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Orange Phenom [14755]
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Welp... I've had COVID twice - the original strain and the
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Delta variant. The original strain really kicked my rear end but I got over it after about 2 weeks. My wife and I caught it early in the spread of the original COVID strain in the USA. A little over a year later we got the 2 COVID shots when they first came out because we were led to believe by the "experts" and Government leaders that it was a true vaccine. Y'all remember - it was touted as something to stop the spread and would prevent one from catching COVID. Now we all know that was a huge exaggeration if not an outright lie by those Government and pharmaceutical entities. We both now regret having taken the COVID vaccination but did so because we thought we were actually protecting my elderly in-laws by doing so.
18 months or so after having the vaccine the wife and I caught the Delta COVID variant. It was nothing compared to the original strain (I've had worse sinus infections than Delta) as we simply stayed at home and took some Tylenol for the mild symptoms. Within 3 days we were over it.
The wife and I will never take another COVID vaccine. First and foremost neither of us have the comorbidities that typically put people in the hospital with COVID and are a very low risk of anything bad happening from a COVID infection. To us it is simply not worth injecting these experimental serums into our bodies for little to no benefit when our natural immunity has proven it can fight off the COVID infections.
Secondly - at this point we simply do not trust anything anyone says about the vaccines. That includes the Government, the pharmaceutical industry, and independent eggheads testifying in front of Government committees. Once COVID vaccination became a political litmus test and a goldmine for the pharmaceutical industry everything said about COVID vaccination became suspect.
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Some quick points...
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Sep 22, 2023, 10:01 AM
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- The initial vaccine did show good efficacy at stopping infection of the original strain of covid.
- The virus mutated and the vaccine's efficacy against infection dropped, but it was still very effective at limiting severe disease. You assigning a lie when the virus changes from the initial data/studies. That seems illogical.
- You got covid with some sever symptoms, then later got the vaccine, then later got covid with mild symptoms, and now wont get further vaccines. Fair enough, but are you giving consideration that the vaccine is what made/helped to make your second case less severe?
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Orange Phenom [14755]
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Quick points to your quick points...
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- The testing of the initial vaccine was way insufficient to support the claims made by the Government and the pharmaceutical industry. Phizer has admitted that the original shot was never tested on stopping the spread of COVID prior to being put out to market. However, that fact did not stop the full throated boasts of "stop the spread and protect yourself from getting COVID" from the Government and it's representatives. No one from Phizer or the CDC stood up and said "wait a minute - we don't know if this will stop the spread or not". So were they lying, exaggerating, or just hoping what was being peddled was true? Does their good intentions not make it a lie when putting out information as true that they know to be unproven? I call it lie but that may be just me.
- I'm fairly certain that my natural immunity developed from my first encounter with COVID did more to help my second round of COVID than anything else. Even by their (now) own admission the effectiveness of a COVID shot is very short lived (order of 3 months or so) and my second bout of COVID was a good 18 months after completing the original 2 shots. OR... it could have been that the Delta variant was just a weak strain for both the wife and I nothing prior had any affect on it at all.
I've seen quite a bit of testimony from outside researchers that clearly state the COVID "vaccine" was never designed to stop the spread or stop one from getting COVID. The COVID shot may offer some of those benefits to some but as Dr. Buckholtz and many others have stated, it was a shot to keep one out of the hospital/morgue and that is about it. If outside scientists looking at the vaccine can come to that conclusion then I'm fairly certain the folks creating it and the regulatory agencies (CDC, FDA) overseeing it understood this as well. But unfortunately, that was not how the COVID shot was originally presented to the people. You can come to your own conclusions as to the "why"...
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Sep 22, 2023, 1:19 PM
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1st point on efficacy is simply incorrect. The phase 3 trials of both Moderna and Pfizer vaccines showed ~95% efficacy against infection starting 28 days after vaccination. That is data, not opinion and the data is available and well documented. Later studies showed the efficacy against infection dropped against subsequent variants. So your conclusions/assertions about lying are just plain wrong.
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Clemson Conqueror [11657]
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COVID vax trials didnt use commercial process product
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The FDA’s and CDC’s work to establish both safety and efficacy was done on pilot scale (I.e., small scale) manufacturing equipment.
The FDA’s and CDC’s negligence is that they did not bother to retest the COVID vaccines on commercial scale equipment.
This might sound like dull stuff to people who are not familiar with the difference (with regard to a product’s characteristics) when made in pilot scale equipment vs commercial scale equipment. However, to people who are familiar with the challenges of keeping a product’s characteristics ‘identical’ between pilot scale vs full size commercial scale equipment, this difference between pilot scale product vs commercial scale product is well known. In the environment of highly technical high quality manufactured products, extensive testing is done each time the commercial process gets ‘tweaked’ to ascertain whether the output from the full scale manufacturing is approaching the same quality as the output from the pilot scale manufacturing process.
Dr. Buckhaultz observed that the commercial process for Pfizer’s and Moderna’s COVID vaccines yielded vaccines which had not eliminated the presence of DNA; the pilot batches from both Moderna and Pfizer yielded vaccine quality that did not have detectable levels of DNA contamination.
Why does this matter? The FDA and CDC recommendations were based on pilot scale manufactured COVID vaccines. Long after the commercial scale product had been launched, neither FDA nor CDC thought to re-check the COVID vaccines’ efficacy and safety from batches of vaccine that were made using full scale commercial manufacturing process.
It put it another way, each of the studies linked by you are meaningless. This is no fault of yours; you did excellent work to find and share these studies. Trusting, non-cynical people accept our government’s health agency recommendations as being inviolate truth. We have all been ‘conditioned’ to think this way … me included.
The incredible carelessness of the FDA and CDC to overlook this is where the betrayal of public trust takes root. Where it gets worse is when these same health agencies double down and start labeling real-world information that raises questions about the efficacy and safety of those same COVID vaccines that the FDA and CDC were too arrogant to retest using commercial scale batches of vaccine. The majority of medical practitioners derided patients as being stupid and not qualified to question the FDA, CDC, and AMA recommendations.
Thank goodness that not all people are afraid to think first and speak up second, and that not all academic / health agency scientists are cowardly shills that simply echo the ‘consensus science’ that their department heads / managers tell them to regurgitate.
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Re: COVID vax trials didnt use commercial process product
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Dr Buckhaultz wanted to give benefit of doubt and go with incompetence over something more sinister. Your analysis, which seems very logical, leads me to believe it was both. Perhaps incompetence early on but then more sinister motives to cover for the incompetence.
I just think the whole process is sad because public trust and been severely damaged and rightly so. I grow more thankful each day that my family and i never took the vaccine. It just never “smelled right” from the beginning.
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My wife has had Covid twice. The second vaccine put her in
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the hospital for three days. About 8 or so hours after she got vaccinated she was on the floor semi conscience and I had to call 911 to get an ambulance to get her to the hospital. The cardiologist was contemplating heart surgery. She is much better now.
I've had Covid three times. The first time was 2 months after I took the double vax that was supposed to be 95% effective at stopping Covid. 6 people at my office, all vaxxed, got Covid on the same day.
Somehow my wife didn't get it that time, but we both got it twice later over the next 2 years.
The vaccine was WAY worse for her than Covid and it's not even close. Obviously she never got boosted and never will. The second time I got covid was just a few months after the booster, clearly the original vax and the booster did not protect me.
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Re: My wife has had Covid twice. The second vaccine put her in
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Thank you for speaking the truth. Very glad your wife is better.
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Ultimate Tiger [35192]
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"speaking the truth" are you under the impression....
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Sep 22, 2023, 4:35 PM
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a lot of other people got sick from the vaccine and didn't tell anyone?
I have to assume it's a pretty rare event, based on anecdotal evidence.
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Yea, but it just didn't make the 'stats'...***
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They absolutely are under that impression.
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and I guarantee you if you could look at where they get their information and news from it's from the same places. It's just a matter of tying the anecdotal to what they already believe to make their beliefs concrete and there's nothing you can say or post that will change their minds.
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Re: They absolutely are under that impression.
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Really sad that the information is so troubling to your political positions that you refuse to be circumspect about information that you hear from health authorities.
This isn’t to suggest that you should never take any vaccines. Rather, do your loved ones and yourself a favor: Investigate vaccines before you take them.
For example, I will be taking a flu vaccine (a quadrivalent vax that is the traditional ‘disabled virus’ version using egg platform). This particular vax has been in the market since 2018, and was not approved via regulatory short cuts.
But for mRNA vaccines? H no.
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Re: "speaking the truth" are you under the impression....
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Two anecdotes.
I had an adverse effect associated with the vax (seizures); these seizures were recurring with increasing frequency and intensity before I was lucky enough to get access to a top shelf neurologist to fix me up. By the time that I got successful treatment, the federal govt’s pro-vax propaganda machine and coercive tactics to force the public to take the vax made me uncomfortable about reporting anything to VAERS.
A client of mine had a cardiac event five days after taking his first Moderna shot. He didn’t take the second shot. This guy was in perfect health, about 59 years old, physically active and was smart with his diet. Drank beer on the golf course (very bad?). He then started suffering electrolyte imbalances in his blood; was hospitalized twice to get his electrolytes right again. He had done some graduate work in pharmacology before knocking up his girlfriend and dropping out of school to get a job and get married (decades ago). He didn’t report to VAERS for the same reason that I didn’t.
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Re: "speaking the truth" are you under the impression....
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Most problems were not reported to VAERS as you stated. I know multiple people who had and continue to have side effects from the vaccines. I also saw death from the vaccine. I will continue to warn people and I do not give a rip if some do not believe. The shots did not stop transmission, did not stop infection, caused side effects ranging from mild to major in some people, and in some cases caused death. Facts!
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