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Re: lutz
Aug 16, 2017, 12:05 PM
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I want a follow-up story about how those protesters in Durham got 30 days in jail and 100 hours of community service for destruction of city property.
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They should have never been erected.
Aug 16, 2017, 12:06 PM
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Robert Lee said they were a bad idea that would keep the sores open. He was right.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [108850]
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Remove them all. Sores still there.
Aug 16, 2017, 12:23 PM
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Rewrite history. Sores will still be there.
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Its not called "rewriting history". Its now being called
Aug 16, 2017, 12:30 PM
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"deferred maintenance of history"
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Taking down statues put up to glorify the Confederacy
Aug 16, 2017, 12:31 PM
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during Jim Crow hardly qualifies as rewriting history. One could make a stronger argument that the monuments being erected in the first place is rewriting history.
Hell, a large percentage of posters here still think there was a noble cause behind secession.
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Maybe quit getting personally offended by signs
Aug 16, 2017, 12:37 PM
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of the confederacy being removed and you'll start to understand what the problem was.
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Maybe *all* monuments and statues should be removed.
Aug 16, 2017, 12:43 PM
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All of them. Monuments to those in WW2, Korea, Vietnam, or any war we've ever been in.
Then there is nothing left to offend anyone.
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Why would we? Those monuments are to American soldiers
Aug 16, 2017, 12:44 PM
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that fought for the United States.
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They may offend those of other cultures who have
Aug 16, 2017, 12:46 PM
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immigrated here. Japanese certainly wouldn't like to see monuments to those who killed their relatives. Neither would the Vietnamese, Koreans or any Muslims from Iraq/Iran/Syria who now call America home.
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You're reaching really hard.***
Aug 16, 2017, 12:48 PM
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Not really.
Aug 16, 2017, 12:50 PM
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It's plausible.
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Help me out robertn® - I don't speak up much but I've grown
Aug 16, 2017, 12:52 PM
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to respect your thoughts and opinions on TNet.
Where should it end? Do we tear down vestiges of people who openly fought to continue slavery? (Like the Confederate statues)
Do we tear down vestiges of everyone who ever supported slavery (by owning slaves)? If he had lived in a different time - Thomas Jefferson likely would have sided with the Confederacy (I say that only because he was a Virginian and a slave owner)
Would you support renaming Tillman Hall?
Are you advocating tearing down the statue of Confederate soldier Thomas G Clemson?
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Personally offended? I'm no liberal.
Aug 16, 2017, 1:47 PM
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I'm speaking solely about actions. It's never ok to attack a group no matter how abhorrent their beliefs.
Confederate monuments have come down peacefully in several cities. Incidentally, no monuments have come down in Charlottesville.
We are a republic with a rule of law. The city erected those monuments, they have a right to remove them. None of my business.
But back to the issue. The mode of the violent left is to shout down opposing ideas. When shouting isn't good enough, then intimidation. Then next logical step was violence. We are here, and have been here since Ferguson and Baltimore.
I don't care which "side" you are on if you're bullhorn is bloodshed, I'm not listening.
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You're right
Aug 16, 2017, 12:35 PM
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Those erected to protest that and segregation and civil rights should be torn down. However, those of generic soldiers to honor the dead should be left alone, if erected shortly after the end of the war
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That's not true for all of them is it?
Aug 16, 2017, 1:10 PM
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Some of those statues were put up a long time before as a memorial to those who fought and died. Others were put up as memorials of great men who fought in the Confederacy, whose legacies are mixed only because of the side they fought on, but who were at least fighting for the states where they lived. Others were certainly put up to glorify a white supremacist past in the face of the federal government enforcing civil rights. They're not all equal.
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Is Ben Tillman still up in Clemson? I forget.
Aug 16, 2017, 2:53 PM
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At least Mt. McKinley is now called Denali. Alaska's happy now.
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Building a monument or tearing it down
Aug 16, 2017, 5:01 PM
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isn't "rewriting history". They tore down the monuments to Lenin and Stalin. But somehow, magically we all still know who they were and what they did.
Taking down a monument to a soldier who was a traitor to the country, one who bore arms against this country...is only correcting the history of the fools who put it up in the first place.
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Re: lutz
Aug 16, 2017, 12:39 PM
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I am still fuming over all the Revolutionary war statues of King George III being taken down. Even though England lost the war, it is important that we proudly display monuments celebrating our former leaders that lost.
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Georgetown, Jamestown, Charlestown***
Aug 16, 2017, 12:46 PM
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Rename King and Queen streets downtown***
Aug 16, 2017, 12:47 PM
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and Broad, wiminz hate it***
Aug 16, 2017, 12:48 PM
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Mob rule worked really well for Mizzou... oh wait.***
Aug 16, 2017, 12:51 PM
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