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Legend [16797]
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LOL at if the ACC can be proactive!
Jul 27, 2022, 12:07 PM
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At no time has the ACC been 'proactive', in a meaningful way. Reactive, yeah.
Proactive is when you DO that which NO ONE saw coming, as in...
Oklahoma and Texas to the SEC
UCLA and USC to the B1G
The Germans bombing Pearl Harbor (not smart in hindsight, but definitely proactive)
Proactive! I giggle!
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110%er [6858]
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Hey that ironclad alliance with the big and pac was
Jul 27, 2022, 12:14 PM
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proactively reactive!
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Oculus Spirit [83116]
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How do you know what has been offered or
Jul 27, 2022, 12:16 PM
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discussed in private?
The ACC doesn't have the football revenue/ratings to flip any of the schools you mentioned.
Having 5 small private universities and smaller than avg. state universities makes that an impossibility.
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110%er [8008]
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Re: How do you know what has been offered or
Jul 27, 2022, 12:33 PM
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The OP said “do” not discuss. I have no doubt the ACC has been discussing lots of things. But the haven’t, or can’t, do anything proactive.
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Re: LOL at if the ACC can be proactive!
Jul 27, 2022, 12:22 PM
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Actually, yes, the ACC was proactive in adding Miami, Virginia Tech, and Boston College years ago. As another poster said, the ACC simply doesn't have the means to attract schools like Texas or Southern Cal. What specifically do you want them to do?
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Re: LOL at if the ACC can be proactive!
Jul 27, 2022, 12:35 PM
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Would like the ACC to add West Virginia, try to flip Cincinnati, make offers to Texas Tech, Ok St, Baylor, TCU, BYU, Utah, Arizona St, Colorado. Pick the best that accept to get us to 18 or 20 teams. Then go to ESPN and re-negotiate.
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LOL, that deal would be worth jack ****
Jul 27, 2022, 12:39 PM
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The game is over, there are no pieces left on the board worth having.
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Re: LOL at if the ACC can be proactive!
Jul 27, 2022, 12:51 PM
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It’s not the quantity, but the perceived quality that gets greater contracts. If you only increase the contract by quantity nothing would be gained. The acc suffers from subpar percentage, and that will not improve by going to 30 lousy schools. Texas and Oklahoma was a great grab that the acc can’t match.
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Re: LOL at if the ACC can be proactive!
Jul 27, 2022, 3:20 PM
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The ACC GOR-busing 8 could group up, secede from the ACC, add West Virginia, and form its own division - quality over quantity.
Clemson
Miami
FSU
Va Tech
West Va
NC State
Pitt
Louisville
UNC (need them as the 8th to kibosh the league)
Renegotiate our media deal based on a football schedule full of those matchups and divvy it up between us.
Invite the remaining six in for all sports plus a 2nd football division, then add 3 more there to fill out the division from whichever eastern programs add the most value here. Think USF, Memphis, UConn, Navy, maybe even UAB if we wanted extra southeastern exposure. Memphis and UConn maybe for all sports, the others football only. Then negotiate a media deal for all sports league wide, plus the football games at this level, and let this group divvy that up, with the top group getting its share of non-football value. If the 2nd division was willing to play a 9th league game at the top division school venues each season, we could all split that extra media value.
If the B1G wanted any of those remaining six - great! More power to them.
Voila'! Better regular season schedules. Significant bump in media rights compensation. Geographically sound for all sports. Control our own destiny. Nobody left behind.
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110%er [6858]
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Most of your league is garbage at best
Jul 27, 2022, 3:55 PM
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Clemson - Elite
Miami - garbage for the last 15 years. Potential? Maybe
FSU - garbage currently, obvious potential.
Va Tech - garbage for the last 10 years. Potential? Maybe
WV - never been any good. Potential? Doubtful
NANCY - never been any good. Potential? Doubtful
Pitt - hasnt been good in 40 years. Potential? Slight
Lousville - never really been any good. Potential? Slight
UNC - Hasnt been good since the 90s. Potential? Maybe
USF, Uconn, Memphis......are you even serious here?
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It's not so much the quality football that any of these
Jul 27, 2022, 5:12 PM
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programs produce, though they have all produced at high levels in recent history save for UNC (West Va played for a title in 1989 and of course smoked our butts in the OB as recently as 'll). It's about their program size, stadium capacity, fan enthusiasm and support, and above and beyond commitment to football. These are all programs that the casual fan will tune into watch play one another, especially games being held at these venues. It's a solid TV package.
The other three of course add nothing to the top end, as that's not the intent. The intent is to add games to the left out six from the ACC for football in a 2nd division, and to serve as a G5 style opponent for the top end - a no return date type of game. UConn and Memphis though would add to our basketball value, which is a bonus. I don't know if you read the part where this group would have a separate football media deal to split among their division, because that makes a big difference here.
Like the SEC and B1G, you can create the same list with each of their divisions with the same type of prognosis roughly. It's the venues and the buy-in on football across the board, with a few exceptions, that is the difference between their overall value and ours. This approach creates that same type of gathering as they possess, but with a smaller group to split the proceeds - 9 instead of 16, at least on the football portion.
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Re: LOL at if the ACC can be proactive!
Jul 27, 2022, 2:42 PM
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Would like the ACC to add West Virginia, try to flip Cincinnati, make offers to Texas Tech, Ok St, Baylor, TCU, BYU, Utah, Arizona St, Colorado. Pick the best that accept to get us to 18 or 20 teams. Then go to ESPN and re-negotiate.
No school will sign onto the ACC grant of rights fiasco and be locked in for 14 years. The ACC won’t expand unless it’s a cross conference scheduling deal and that won’t be enough for a major TV revenue increase. The ACC is pretty much dead regarding football.
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The next time the ACC is proactive will be the first time
Jul 27, 2022, 12:27 PM
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and the league members continue to suffer for it.
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Re: The nest time the ACC is proactive will be the first time
Jul 27, 2022, 12:31 PM
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Again, what specifically are they supposed to do?
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Nothing they can do now, because they WERE NOT
Jul 27, 2022, 12:38 PM
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Proactive. Get it yet? Not that complicated.
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Re: Nothing they can do now, because they WERE NOT
Jul 27, 2022, 12:43 PM
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If the ACC adds teams then the GOR is out the window. Contracts etc are all re-written. Surely schools start to bail in this scenario. They are hemmed in.
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Re: Nothing they can do now, because they WERE NOT
Jul 27, 2022, 1:27 PM
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What could they have done in the past that would gave helped now? You really believe they could have gotten someone like Texas, Southern Cal, Okkamona, etc. to join in the past?
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Re: Nothing they can do now, because they WERE NOT
Jul 27, 2022, 3:42 PM
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They had a very good chance to get Penn ST before they joined the Big 10. They were interested and provided a natural rival for Maryland. Instead, those in charge failed to realize conference expansion was all about football. Even WVU would have been a nice add for football. I know, low academics but them and Penn St would have made the ACC much stronger in football and leveled the Atlantic and Coastal divisions. Nobody wanted schools from texas etc back then. Just wasn't even considered.
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Re: Put this in your hat....
Jul 27, 2022, 12:48 PM
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Yep. The ACC has always been one step behind. There were opportunities in the 90’s and they missed them.
CU has had a good run in the ACC but its time to move on.
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Not true. The ACC was very much proactive when they
Jul 27, 2022, 12:51 PM
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gave us an extra year of probation in the early 80's.
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I so bit my tongue in not
Jul 27, 2022, 1:00 PM
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Posting that in the original...thanks for 'standing up', cutigerbob®
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Re: LOL at if the ACC can be proactive!
Jul 27, 2022, 1:03 PM
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Finally! a meaningful discussion about GOR
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Re: LOL at if the ACC can be proactive!
Jul 27, 2022, 2:28 PM
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The Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor.
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Legend [16797]
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So, about Pearl Harbor and
Jul 27, 2022, 3:27 PM
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Germans. This is TigerNet...history is perceived differently 'round here. I'm guessing you're new?
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Re: So, about Pearl Harbor and
Jul 27, 2022, 7:11 PM
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I am indeed new. lol
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Re: LOL at if the ACC can be proactive!
Jul 27, 2022, 2:33 PM
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Honestly the only time we were proactive in the ACC it arguably backfired on us. You can argue that some of the teams had a couple good years. ACC basketball as a whole has fallen to possibly third now. Football is also right there. The basketball schools added have underachieved their past glories and the football teams are not the ones we thought we were getting. Swofford's love of UNC doomed the conference. We are now staring at a pair of 2's while every one else is holding 3 aces.
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