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Leggett's victory break down
Jun 3, 2014, 10:39 AM
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First 5 years of his tenure and then in 4 year increments
1994-1998 49.2. wins per year 1999-2002 47.0 wins per year 2003-2006 44.5 wins per year 2007-2010 40.25 wins per year 2011-2014 38.5 wins per year
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Re: Leggett's victory break down
Jun 3, 2014, 10:46 AM
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Sounds like we need to fire someone....or some group of people.
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Re: Leggett's victory break down- maybe everyone
Jun 3, 2014, 10:53 AM
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and hire a few new ones to fire too. and to quote the old hank jr song fire some people we didnt even know.
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What about conference records for those years?
Jun 3, 2014, 10:51 AM
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I think he's had 11 double-digit loss seasons, eight since 2006. I realize the conference has expanded which may be a factor. In that case winning pct. should be considered.
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Re: Leggett's victory break down
Jun 3, 2014, 10:55 AM
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I know of at least 2 times at the CWS we were hands down the best team in the nation. Different coaches over the last 20 years and Clemson would have a NC.
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Your subject line has a double meaning - both appropriate***
Jun 3, 2014, 11:05 AM
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Keep in mind teams are playing fewer games
Jun 3, 2014, 11:05 AM
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the uniform start date started in 06 or 08 and they ended all those exemptions for early season tournaments. I think the average team scheduled about 5-8 fewer games per season since mid 00s. The CWS champion doesn't play but around 65-70 games now. I can remember teams in the mid-90s playing 70+ and not even making it to Omaha. I know we WON 60 games one year and didn't make it out of the regionals.
To get that high now you have to play a bunch of games in losers brackets of tournaments. We play fewer games with this stupid round robin ACC tournament format.
But the slide is still noticeable.
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very good point but --please--let's not cloud the subject
Jun 3, 2014, 11:08 AM
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with logic and facts---please
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Re: very good point but --please--let's not cloud the subject
Jun 3, 2014, 11:18 AM
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From looking at the numbers I believe that JL 1st season is the only one in which the regular season was more than 56 games
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I think its a little later than that but not so much
Jun 3, 2014, 11:37 AM
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that changes the trend. It might make the difference in a half game per year or so. And you have to think that those first 4 years are more of an aberration. It seems like the measure for a "great" college season has dropped from 50 wins to 40 wins since the uniform start date.
And you are right in that you rack up a bunch of wins/games played in tournaments...which we aren't advancing all that far in recently. And ironically you really really rack up the wins if you come out of the losers bracket.
If you have the numbers handy, it would be interesting to see what our regular season wins have been over those years (count the ACC tournament).
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ok instead of average wins how about winning % since it
Jun 3, 2014, 11:46 AM
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fits your argument better....
1994-1998 – 246 – 88 (73.6%) 1999-2002 – 188 – 84 (69.1%) 2003-2006 – 174 – 87 (66.7%) 2007-2010 – 161 – 97 (62.4%) 2011-2014 – 154 – 95 (61.8%)
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If you take out that lucky run in 10
Jun 3, 2014, 1:38 PM
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the numbers would look even worse. That run probably got Jack 3 or 4 more years. If you take that blip out, the slide started in 07 or 08.
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We're winning less because we're playing less
Jun 3, 2014, 12:44 PM
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When you are 2 and out in a regional, don't make the Supers or Omaha, you're bound to win less. The quality of the on-field product has greatly diminishes and even Stevie Wonder can see that. All the best to Jack as he pursues other interests.
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Re: Leggett's victory break down
Jun 3, 2014, 11:35 AM
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Corbin left after 2002 and was replaced by Tom Riginos. Major drop-off, but we still had Sully. Sully left after 2007 and was replaced by Bunn. Another major drop-off. In each instance, Coach Leggett was told you can only spend $x on a new coach. Find someone that will come for that salary, which is considerably lower than what most top baseball programs pay. Tanner was always told to find the best guy, money didn't matter.
Compare asst salaries
Jerry Meyers - $180,000 Pep - $132,613
Sam Espisito - $ 125,000 LeCroy - $116,699
Think we could use an extra $55,000 to attract better candidates. Not that I am against LeCroy, but the Pep hire cam out of leftfield.
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pep isn't earning his wage.***
Jun 3, 2014, 11:52 AM
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