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I have to wonder if Neff told Dabo that the last two years aren’t up to our standard.
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I’m not suggesting that Graham told Dabo that he had to make a change, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they had a meeting and Neff made it clear that Dabo isn’t paid in excess of $10 million a year to finish outside the top 10.
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Lawd you're a troll***
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Re: Lawd you're a troll***
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Jan 12, 2023, 9:54 PM
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I don’t think he was originally, but like an alternate universe, he transformed from an uninspiring butterfly to a destructive caterpillar.
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Re: Lawd you're a troll***
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Jan 12, 2023, 11:17 PM
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Like a Vampire bite happened. Now thirsting for blood.
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It wasn’t Dabos choice to let Streeter go..
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Jan 12, 2023, 9:34 PM
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thankfully he was provided some “guidance”
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Lawd you're a scok***
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Re: Definite coot here!***
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Jan 12, 2023, 10:30 PM
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Not going with coot on JK. He has his preferences sports wise and has been on the defense for years. Now he sees a crack in the armor of Clemson’s main bread winner and has begun his revenge tour. Of course he denies and tells us how much he supports the FB program. He was “just wondering” if Neff leaned on CDS.
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Its just so transparent and pathetic.
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Jan 12, 2023, 10:33 PM
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It's like he doesn't realize people will know.
THEN people will ask why we realize he is such a troll.
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Re: I have to wonder if Neff told Dabo that the last two years aren’t up to our standard.
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Jan 12, 2023, 9:34 PM
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The thought didn’t cross my mind. I think we are all interested in knowing what happened given how sudden it was. Dabo only gave Streeter one year and had his replacement already picked when he fired him.
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Re: I have to wonder if Neff told Dabo that the last two years aren’t up to our standard.
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Jan 12, 2023, 9:56 PM
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So sudden that the word is that this was already in motion when Texas A&M was courting Riley. They announced Petrino a week ago. That should give you an idea how suddenly the back channels were working this deal.
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Re: I have to wonder if Neff told Dabo that the last two years aren’t up to our standard.
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Jan 12, 2023, 9:35 PM
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I wouldnt be surprised for you to make something up to fit your narrative.
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I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again,
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Jan 12, 2023, 9:35 PM
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you are the biggest tool on this message board!!!
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Neff doesn't tell Dabo anything.
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Jan 12, 2023, 9:36 PM
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He did however, tell your Boy Brownlee, WIN OR ELSE. He dodged getting fired last year with the Drad move and is coaching to save his job.
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His/her jealousy of Dabo is pathological***
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Jan 12, 2023, 9:39 PM
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I’m not jealous of Dabo.
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Jan 12, 2023, 9:51 PM
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I couldn’t be jealous of anyone who shaves their sideburns.
Kidding aside, I am proud of him, though. It takes a big man to admit you screwed up and try to fix it. That’s essentially what he’s done here. Clemson football will be better for it.
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But that's not what you posted
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Jan 12, 2023, 9:55 PM
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you, in your always passive aggressive style, posed a question you know is not true. Here, you say Dabo realized change was needed and made the move. Just above, you asked was he told to do it.
You're an attention starved troll who cares less if the attention is positive or negative just so you get attention.
Which I've given you enough of tonight
Have a blessed day
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Re: But that's not what you posted
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It could be both. I do think Dabo realized how poorly the offense played, but for some reason, he's been utterly loyal to Streeter. You have to remember that two separate governors of the school badmouthed Clemson's play this year (obviously, Nikki Haley's is the one that drew the spotlight). Those are everyone's boss. I wouldn't be surprised if they told him he had to get rid of Streeter.
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Yes, I'm sure Nikki Haley applied the pressure
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Jan 12, 2023, 10:07 PM
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she has a Bat phone to Dabo's office and threatened to fire him and pay him his multi, multi, multi million dollar buyout
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Re: Yes, I'm sure Nikki Haley applied the pressure
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Jan 12, 2023, 11:17 PM
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Not to get political, but I'd answer the Bat Phone for Nikki Haley.
Especially now, since its gettin past 11.
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Re: But that's not what you posted
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Jan 12, 2023, 11:02 PM
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Congrats on the most bat #### crazy post yet. Nikki Haley is everyone’s boss? She holds no office currently. You used “those” which is plural. You really think Haley and McMaster have any say whatsoever in what happens within the football program? Crazy time.
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I don’t know what happened.
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Jan 12, 2023, 10:07 PM
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I’m confident Dabo realized that there was a problem. What I don’t know is if he realized it on his own or had some help.
Ultimately, the important thing is that we upgraded our coaching staff and injected some much needed energy into our football program. Here’s to next year ending our underachieving streak.
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He may have had others he spoke with
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Jan 12, 2023, 10:13 PM
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but it wasn't Neff until he decided to make the move. These would be football people, confidants, not administrators. He was under no pressure from anyone associated with Clemson to do anything he felt wasn't right, because he has a long track record of that. He's earned that like no one in the history of the university. Generated more money for the university than anyone in history. Brought more positive publicity and success than anyone in the history university.
You might as well have said Bama's AD is telling Nick to make changes
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I thought you weren’t giving me anymore attention tonight?***
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I think you're right, BUT we DID run Danny Ford off
Jan 12, 2023, 11:24 PM
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and Danny had brought unheard of levels of success and $$$ to Clemson. I know the situations are somewhat different, but Danny was almost God-like around Clemson at the time he was sent packing.
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Danny wasn't owed tens of millions of $$$$
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when we canned him. Would also hope we learned our lesson about power struggles then. Can anyone besides JK in his football hating, attention starved mind see Neff, less than a year on the job, giving Dabo a staffing ultimatum?
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Jealous of Dabo and the "football program", by proxy****
Jan 12, 2023, 10:53 PM
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It’s laughable that the idea of Dabo’s BOSS holding him to a higher standard
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Jan 12, 2023, 9:49 PM
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bothers you so much.
I’m just glad that Dabo seems to have his fire back, whether it is due to his own self-reflection or it took someone else to resurrect it.
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It's laughable that you're so dang STUPID
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Jan 12, 2023, 9:52 PM
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Again, Neff isn't telling Dabo a dang thing.
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Okay, Dabo runs Clemson and everyone answers to him.
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Jan 12, 2023, 9:54 PM
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LOL.
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The last AD that Dabo had to listen to
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Jan 12, 2023, 9:56 PM
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was terry Don. No amount of your stupid passive aggressive torty replies will change that.
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Neff does not want to be the new Bobby Robinson. He is not
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Jan 12, 2023, 10:16 PM
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into career suicide this early in his tenure.
Just because he applied some pressure to Brad Brownell after a dozen years does not mean he’s insane enough to think he has the juice to pressure a Dabo Swinney.
Neff is even close to pressing Dabo about staffing decisions.
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He didn’t apply pressure to Brownell.
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No matter how much some of you want to imagine he did.
Look at what actually happened:
-He and the BOT approved the hiring of Billy Dolon, who is paid a higher salary than any Clemson basketball assistant has ever gotten. Why? Because Neff realized that Brad needed more money for better assistants.
-He publicly stated that there are things Clemson needs to do better to support basketball, such as ongoing facility improvements.
-He said that he believes in Brad to achieve the goals that both of them (not just Neff) have for the program.
I’m not sure why you and others keep bringing up basketball though. It has nothing to do with football, which is the topic of this thread.
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Re: He didn’t apply pressure to Brownell.
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No matter how much some of you want to imagine he did.
Look at what actually happened:
-He and the BOT approved the hiring of Billy Dolon, who is paid a higher salary than any Clemson basketball assistant has ever gotten. Why? Because Neff realized that Brad needed more money for better assistants.
-He publicly stated that there are things Clemson needs to do better to support basketball, such as ongoing facility improvements.
-He said that he believes in Brad to achieve the goals that both of them (not just Neff) have for the program.
I’m not sure why you and others keep bringing up basketball though. It has nothing to do with football, which is the topic of this thread.
That is called “giving him more rope”.
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Re: It’s laughable that the idea of Dabo’s BOSS holding him to a higher standard
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I have been reading Tnet a long time. Up until recently never posted much, but have decided to share my thoughts more on this board more of my beloved tigers. I for one get tired of seeing your divisive posts.
As striper pointed out above, you take a very heavy passive-aggressive stance. You will post something utterly negative about the football team and it’s staff, players and Dabo, and then when people get on to you, you pretend like you didn’t say it and proceed to put up this facade and act like you just love them all the sudden and say the best things about them, AFTER bashing them. Just don’t understand it.
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Re: It’s laughable that the idea of Dabo’s BOSS holding him to a higher standard
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I do agree 100% Dabo just flexed up, showed he still (and has always) had the fire. Eye of the Tiger.
I'd be willing to guess he went though a long, thorough look in the mirror as well. It is a clean move. Send Streeter out, with great gratitude, bring the next person in. He did not allow any speculation to linger out of respect to Coach Streeter.
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Re: I have to wonder if Neff told Dabo that the last two years aren’t up to our standard.
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He probably told him the same thing he told Brownell. I didn’t pay for renovations to LJ to not make the playoffs again
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Well, Neff didn’t pay for the renovations to Littlejohn.
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Donors did though. Those donors gave the money because Brownell met with them and sold him on his vision.
Neff wasn’t the AD when those renovations were approved.
The result of those improvements is an improved talent level on our team, which has resulted in a school record 10 straight regular season ACC wins and sole possession of first place in the ACC.
This is despite Clemson having what is arguably the worst basketball history in the ACC and among the lowest funding in the ACC for the basketball program.
Now THAT’s overachieving! Go Clemson basketball!
P.S. I’m laughing at how fragile you are, trying to bash basketball in a football thread. The ultimate sign of weakness.
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Oh the irony.
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Jan 12, 2023, 10:07 PM
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You really are pathetic and lack self awareness.
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Re: Well, Neff didn’t pay for the renovations to Littlejohn.
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Jan 12, 2023, 10:08 PM
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And it only took the least competitive conference line-up in recent ACC history for Brownell to accomplish that.
Gee willikers
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Re: I have to wonder if Neff told Dabo that the last two years aren’t up to our standard.
Jan 12, 2023, 9:37 PM
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Well Neff’s little letter to Brownell certainly has worked so far this year, I’m sure Dabo didn’t want a letter. Sad when it takes a letter from your boss for you to start doing your job
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Re: I have to wonder if Neff told Dabo that the last two years aren’t up to our standard.
Jan 12, 2023, 9:38 PM
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I'm guessing that wasn't necessary. I think it was as plain to Dabo as it was to many others that the last two years have shown a decline. I understand him not making a change during the year but to be honest, I thought he'd take more time to find a replacement. Hard to find fault with hiring the guy who was just named top OC in the nation. Can't wait to see the changes Riley brings to the program. Wonder if Dabo will still hold that ###### play card during games?
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Re: I have to wonder if Neff told Dabo that the last two years aren’t up to our standard.
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Jan 12, 2023, 9:43 PM
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My guess is that Dabo decided it was time to make a change. He's done it before (see Billy Napier).
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Good lord
Jan 12, 2023, 9:48 PM
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The clown show just gets more and more ridiculous daily
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Re: I have to wonder if Neff told Dabo that the last two years aren’t up to our standard.
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Wasn’t it Shipley that politely questioned the play calls during the chicken game? I remember one of the players stating that they questioned the incoming call based on what they were seeing open on the field. Allen recently liked a tweet questioning the play calling. Ngata thanked Scott but not Streeter. These are just three things that I am aware of. I am betting there are more. If Dabo did not make a change, he was going to lose the locker room.
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Here’s a fact troll
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If Dabo held a secret meeting with Pres. Clements and told him he was ready to step down and become our AD. You can bet your sweet ### it would happen and would have 100% backing from the BOT.
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That’s not how this works.
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Jan 12, 2023, 10:09 PM
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But you know that, I hope.
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Re: I have to wonder if Neff told Dabo that the last two years aren’t up to our standard.
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Aren't up to "OUR" Standard? That's pretty funny. Who do you think set the standard in the first place? If you mean the standard of consecutive playoffs and national championships, that was never "OUR" standard until Dabo came along.
Dabo did what all good coaches do; he recessed and is making needed changes. Everyone got all bent out of shape that he wouldn't admit some of his hires weren't working out. Well, he just admitted it by making a big change and he did it the way everyone said they wanted, by going out and hiring a BIG NAME OC and he is working Scott back into the mix, also what a lot of folks said they wanted.
The man isn't perfect but he is decisive when he needs to be, but make no mistake, he is also the guy calling the shots when it comes to timing and changes for the football program and he certainly has the support of the administration and the BOT to do just that.
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Re: I have to wonder if Neff told Dabo that the last two years aren’t up to our standard.
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"reassessed"
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Re: So you’re acknowledging that Dabo, who you and others insist
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You are free to go back and look at my posts from a year ago when I said he should have conducted a national search for best-of-breed coaches to at least have something to compare with the internal hires he wanted to make. I stand by that. I've also said on more than one occasion that he is not perfect and makes mistakes, just like the rest of us. I've also said he has earned the right to make those mistakes and to make the corrections as he sees fit when he sees fit.
And last, I've said I support him even when I disagree with him, unlike a few others who seem to enjoy playing the game of gotcha because they are so green with envy that they really don't know what else to do.
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Re: I have to wonder if Neff told Dabo that the last two years aren’t up to our standard.
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When you have a minute could you reflect on what it is like to become a villain in one’s own life story. It’s fascinating. At one point you clearly were a fan. And now you clearly want to watch it all burn.
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Re: I have to wonder if Neff told Dabo that the last two years aren’t up to our standard.
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JK... I've held my tongue on all your BS for years. You are a sad case of an excuse for a "fan". My grandfather graduated from Clemson in '48 and my blood truly "runs orange". He was an IPTAY member when it meant I Pay Ten A Year... I've attended 85% of all home football games since I was 5 years old. I found my way down a handicap ramp at 10 years old to get out on the field at the Orange Bowl in '82 after beating the huskers.
All that being said I think I can speak for a large group here on T-Net when I say you don't have a clue what the pulse of Clemson Football really is and that Dabo is; as my tatoo to honor my grandfather shows, he is a Clemson Gentleman who needs no introduction. Dabo is a man who has more respect in his proffesion than you,me, or most others could dream of having. Carry on with your basketball comments but please S.T.H.U. about anyting football related!!
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Re: I have to wonder if Neff told Dabo that the last two years aren’t up to our standard.
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Jan 12, 2023, 10:09 PM
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Well said! Not sure why he can’t do what I do with BB. Not my cup of tea but I will always support them. I stay out of the hating and the opinions of the coach.
Judge hides behind passive aggressive and snide remarks. Time for a recess and some self assessment IMO. Maybe just enjoy the BB success and leave the FB board alone for a bit?
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I’m not sure what you are talking about.
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Jan 12, 2023, 10:17 PM
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I absolutely support our football team.
I’m thrilled that Dabo made this move. It was the right thing to do. Our program will be better for it.
Why is my post wondering if Neff had something to do with it so hard for some of you? Our football program isn’t a communist regime. There is a chain of command, and despite Dabo’s incredible success, he isn’t the second highest paid coach in college football just to promote unqualified candidates and finish outside the top 10 two years in a row.
It’s not at all unreasonable to think that maybe, just maybe, there was some pressure for Dabo to take a closer look at the peogram.
The fact that my post somehow says that I don’t like our football team or am jealous of Dabo shows what a cult mentality some of you truly have.
Dat Boy & The Fanboys is truly taking on a life of its own!
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Re: I’m not sure what you are talking about.
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Jan 12, 2023, 10:23 PM
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And there it is……
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There you go again, Judge.
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Jan 12, 2023, 10:03 PM
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Your nonsensical dislike of Dabo, contrasted with your schoolboy infatuation with our basketball coach, is weird. It is irrational and annoying. I am not at all sure you even pull for Tiger football to win. Just stop, bro.
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Leave Mrs. Brownell alone.***
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Jan 12, 2023, 10:07 PM
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How exactly is me wondering if Neff had some conversations with Dabo
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about unfulfilled expectations equated with a dislike of Dabo and me not cheering for our football team?!?
Some of you are really messed up.
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Re: How exactly is me wondering if Neff had some conversations with Dabo
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Jan 12, 2023, 10:24 PM
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Maybe it is just the way you frame it that always gives it away and then the follow-up response of "oh you just don't understand, that isn't what I meant. How could you possible take it that way."
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Re: I have to wonder if Neff told Dabo that the last two years aren’t up to our standard.
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Jan 12, 2023, 10:10 PM
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If Dabo told Neff to jump in a lake he would ask Hartwell or Keowee.
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Now that right there is pfunny!
Jan 12, 2023, 10:28 PM
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Goot one
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Dabo could poop on Neffs Forehead at
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Jan 12, 2023, 10:16 PM
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Midfield during a Natty game and Neff would be fired……Troll
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Re: Dabo could poop on Neffs Forehead at
Jan 12, 2023, 10:25 PM
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All I know is they fist pumped each other when Neff walked in late to basketball game. Dabo left early talking on his phone. I assumed he was “recruiting “, just didn’t know it was for a new OC!
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Re: Dabo could poop on Neffs Forehead at
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I have no doubt it was Dabo going to Neff telling him what he had in mind rather than the other way around...
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And Neff worked out the $$$$
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Jan 12, 2023, 10:39 PM
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that's Neff's role
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Ed Zachary!
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Jan 12, 2023, 10:47 PM
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Go Tigers!
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Guilty of habitual trolling, definitely troll dependent, certified troll addict¤
Jan 12, 2023, 10:43 PM
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Probably already aware that you have trollstance abuse problem, but specifically you meet the criteria for classification as a vengeful iconoclast troll-(high marks)
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I think Neff may well have done just that.
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Jan 12, 2023, 10:53 PM
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A change was necessary, but in all honesty I figured Dabo was too stubborn to make it. There may have been some prodding involved.
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I wouldnt doubt it , but i think to some extent he did....
Jan 12, 2023, 11:05 PM
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prpbably not a come to jesus talk but more like, "well, do you have a plan?" kinda talk... i dont think it was high pressure, and it was still dabo's decision...just my two cents and speculation
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Nah.***
Jan 12, 2023, 11:12 PM
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Just because basketball is doing well
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Doesn't give you the right to bring up your ridiculous points about why Dabo is such a horrible coach.
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Did Neff have to remind Dabo about
Jan 13, 2023, 6:21 AM
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Who was on our roster?
Who was next up on the schedule?
What would he need to remind him how much worse he did this year than three years ago?
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Thanks for advocating for firing Brad
Jan 13, 2023, 6:39 AM
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You fool
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