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TNET: Swinney calls out his defense, wants someone to show some 'frickin' pride'
Sep 13, 2022, 12:32 PM
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Re: TNET: Swinney calls out his defense, wants someone to show some 'frickin' pride'
Sep 13, 2022, 12:42 PM
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Hell yeah!! Tell'em Dabo!! That was a #### poor effort I saw Saturday. Painful to watch some of that on both sides of the ball. Gonna be a long season if that kind of play continues.
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Re: TNET: Swinney calls out his defense, wants someone to show some 'frickin' pride'
Sep 13, 2022, 9:41 PM
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They've had a coach on the side lines that needed a get back guy to keep the DC contained from the excitement he had for the game, and now they have a DC that needs somebody to shake him up to try and get him excited about something, anything, if that's at all possible!!! Our DC is to laid back, and it's showing through his players in how they play!!!
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Sounds like a proper asschewing.
Sep 13, 2022, 12:44 PM
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I’d like to see how Wes handled his group before and after Dabo ate them alive.
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Re: Sounds like a proper asschewing.
Sep 13, 2022, 1:40 PM
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Dabo coaching Wes, not all about x&os, got to manage the intensity. In their defense hard to get up for second game in short week but it’s part of the coaching challenge. Yes Venables spoiled us with his unmatched energy. Don’t expect Wes to be Venables but he needs to raise the energy a notch.
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Re: Sounds like a proper asschewing.
Sep 13, 2022, 3:01 PM
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I thought Wes did get animated at times Saturday. Kind of surprised me honestly.
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Kinda.
Sep 13, 2022, 4:35 PM
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Wes isn’t CV. He’ll never have that intensity because that’s not his personality. My point is I wonder how Dabo approached Wes and how Wes responded. Different territory for CDS. I think CV handled most of it without having to assert himself. Just speculation though.
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Fans say the same thing and you’re a Coot
Sep 13, 2022, 12:47 PM
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Glad he did this. Now how about add the OL and WR to the mix. They were just as terrible, maybe more so.
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I've noticed Dabo tends to treat the offense w/ kid gloves..
Sep 13, 2022, 1:10 PM
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(at least in the media) not sure why, but I agree the defense AND the WRs/Oline deserved the same chewing.
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Re: I've noticed Dabo tends to treat the offense w/ kid gloves..
Sep 13, 2022, 2:34 PM
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The defense has been the one getting all the raves in pre-season and he took them down a notch. He wants to nip that ego and pride thing right away before they lose control and before they get humbled by the better competition that is coming up. The offense probably is the one with the opposite problem where the confidence actually has to be built up because expectations are so low, especially at QB. It is a fine balance for sure.
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Re: I've noticed Dabo tends to treat the offense w/ kid gloves..
Sep 13, 2022, 8:13 PM
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The defense has been the one getting all the raves in pre-season and he took them down a notch. He wants to nip that ego and pride thing right away before they lose control and before they get humbled by the better competition that is coming up. The offense probably is the one with the opposite problem where the confidence actually has to be built up because expectations are so low, especially at QB. It is a fine balance for sure.
We know Dabo has the gift. Still it's a way to lose the team. Defense outplays Offense every day and night and gets ripped. Soft Offense is praised and played like crap the entire 2nd half.
I noticed last week a Tnet poster suggesting Wesleychick had more value in the sky box identifying Offensive schemes than he did on the sideline. May be something for Dabo to consider -- anyway, Go Tigers!
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Re: I've noticed Dabo tends to treat the offense w/ kid gloves..
Sep 13, 2022, 10:18 PM
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I think the whole thing about defense is to take the spot light off the lackluster offense. Don't get me wrong, I think the defense needed to be addressed, but I have not seen Dabo handle the offense in this way. As poorly as they have played including the QB, you don't see Dabo jumping down their backs. I just think he is tired of making excuses for the offense and this thing with the defense gave him an opportunity to shift the focus off the offense.
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Re: I've noticed Dabo tends to treat the offense w/ kid gloves..
Sep 13, 2022, 2:41 PM
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Well that did score every time They had the ball and DJ was QB in the first half.
I guess once in the 2nd.
Then an interception and a fumble.
They did not get the ball in the 2nd half because the defense could not stop Furman.
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it's ok to say it...the offense NOR the defense played well
Sep 13, 2022, 2:50 PM
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excuses vs Furman sound ridiculous.
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Re: Fans say the same thing and you’re a Coot
Sep 13, 2022, 3:48 PM
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I posted about the poor effort on D and many said I was "too critical".......now after reading what Dabo said, glad to see he saw the same things I did. There should be an azzchewing and there should be players held accountable for poor effort/bad technique. Credit to Furman for playing well but honestly, with the talent level we have, very disappointed in how that defense is playing right now.
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Re: TNET: Swinney calls out his defense, wants someone to show some 'frickin' pride'
Sep 13, 2022, 12:49 PM
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I aint got any problem... no problem's here.
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Re: TNET: Swinney calls out his defense, wants someone to show some 'frickin' pride'
Sep 13, 2022, 12:54 PM
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Sounds good but how about we hold the offense to the same standard? Scored once in the second half!
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Re: TNET: Swinney calls out his defense, wants someone to show some 'frickin' pride'
Sep 13, 2022, 1:22 PM
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Because so many problems of the offense boils down to our scheme and playcalling. Considering that casts Streeter and himself in a bad light, you won't hear a word.
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This right cheer is the thing that concerns me.
Sep 13, 2022, 4:09 PM
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Hopefully the offense has a big game this week
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Re: TNET: Swinney calls out his defense, wants someone to show some 'frickin' pride'
Sep 13, 2022, 2:44 PM
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Yes!! This is true!
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Re: TNET: Swinney calls out his defense, wants someone to show some 'frickin' pride'
Sep 14, 2022, 7:48 AM
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Our offense could not stay on the field. Sure we only had a handful of drives in the second half but none except the TD were sustained. That’s not the fault of the defense. Not saying the D played well they didn’t but the offensive struggles can’t be put on their shoulders too.
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Re: TNET: Swinney calls out his defense, wants someone to show some 'frickin' pride'
Sep 13, 2022, 12:58 PM
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Doesnt sound like Dabo is happy with
Pork Chop/Wes. He needs to ramp up the energy.
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Re: TNET: Swinney calls out his defense, wants someone to show some 'frickin' pride'
Sep 13, 2022, 1:00 PM
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Yet we have morons on here who are apparently thrilled with our defense. Go figure.
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Hey Shizzledick It's MORAN not Moron. Get it Right***
Sep 13, 2022, 3:18 PM
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Re: TNET: Swinney calls out his defense, wants someone to show some 'frickin' pride'
Sep 13, 2022, 1:03 PM
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Wes better light a fire! Go Dabo! Glad you don’t mince words and tell it like it is.
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Re: TNET: Swinney calls out his defense, wants someone to show some 'frickin' pride'
Sep 13, 2022, 5:45 PM
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Coach Swinney said he’s happy with Wes..
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Gotta' love it. The concern is
Sep 13, 2022, 1:03 PM
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why didn't Mr. Goodwin make similar comments? His were soft with not much of any mea culpa, or much gravity placed on the players for things like loafing and being not ready to play and still at the "H. Garden Inn". I'm more concerned about our new D Coord. than any one else. BV, you're missed badly already.
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Jeff Davis used to say back when he played that........
Sep 13, 2022, 1:19 PM
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the defense's goal was to always register a "goose egg" against the other team's offense. He would say they always wanted to shutout the other team and were embarrassed if a weaker team scored on them at all.
That's what this defense needs to do. No way Furman should have scored any points. And this weekend the D needs to make it their goal to give up no points.
I know it's hard to get motivated against a weaker team. That's why the D needs to set their own goals and motivate themselves.
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Re: TNET: Swinney calls out his defense, wants someone to show some 'frickin' pride'
Sep 13, 2022, 1:19 PM
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Who's the on field leader? Need a field general to chew some *** when they need it. Haven't seen it. Somebody needs to step up and be vocal. Wes can't be out there obviously and they're struggling to stay focused. Maybe they get it now but going forward we need that to happen. You're a great defense. Hold each other accountable. Demand it.
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Re: TNET: Swinney calls out his defense, wants someone to show some 'frickin' pride'
Sep 13, 2022, 2:34 PM
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Yes the offense only scored once in 2nd half. I get it, but I remember at one point LATE in the game, the Tigers had only ran 17 plays to Furmans 40 plus plays. The problem with offense in 2nd half was the DEFENSE could not get off the field due to 3rd down conversions. That’s why Dabo is so upset with the defense.
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Re: TNET: Swinney calls out his defense, wants someone to show some 'frickin' pride'
Sep 13, 2022, 2:34 PM
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Yes the offense only scored once in 2nd half. I get it, but I remember at one point LATE in the game, the Tigers had only ran 17 plays to Furmans 40 plus plays. The problem with offense in 2nd half was the DEFENSE could not get off the field due to 3rd down conversions. That’s why Dabo is so upset with the defense.
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I might’ve missed it, but I didn’t see a single mention by Dabo
Sep 13, 2022, 1:25 PM
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of his players underperforming due to outside circumstances.
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Re: TNET: Swinney calls out his defense, wants someone to show some 'frickin' pride'
Sep 13, 2022, 1:26 PM
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I’m just assuming there were 4 or 5 games last year we had no offensive player of the game?
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Re: TNET: Swinney calls out his defense, wants someone to show some 'frickin' pride'
Sep 13, 2022, 1:56 PM
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You HAVE to add in the fact that we played 2 games in 5 days. I only played high school football
and I can tell you...those 2 extra days probably cost the Tigers in desirability to play which left
a lackluster performance. That was Furman’s Super Bowl! We shall see Clemson back against
a La Tech football team and the outcome WILL show on the scoreboard....we were ready to
play.Mark my word.
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Re: TNET: Swinney calls out his defense, wants someone to show some 'frickin' pride'
Sep 13, 2022, 2:00 PM
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Fired up Dabo is the best Dabo! Let them boys know!
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Saying “they weren’t ready” is his way of
Sep 13, 2022, 2:21 PM
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Addressing both the players and the coach. If players could be 100% ready w/o a coach, we could save millions. Dabo was calling Wes our publicly as well as the players.
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Re: TNET: Swinney calls out his defense, wants someone to show some 'frickin' pride'
Sep 13, 2022, 2:23 PM
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How about the QB, OL, WR, RB, etc . Why were they not called out? Seems like the D gets a chewing and the O gets a bi?
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Re: TNET: Swinney calls out his defense, wants someone to show some 'frickin' pride'
Sep 14, 2022, 6:42 AM
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We’re “trying to build confidence” with the offense and kid gloves. Last year the D was blamed although playing most of the game.
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Re: TNET: Swinney calls out his defense, wants someone to show some 'frickin' pride'
Sep 13, 2022, 2:54 PM
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Perfect tone set. Glad the schedule sets up to allow for corrections early in the season. Especially important with new coordinators on both sides of the ball.
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Re: No more excuses
Sep 13, 2022, 2:57 PM
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No more excuses: we have a normal week of practice, we've got 2 games under our belt, and we play another team we are supposed to beat by at least 24 points, the same spread as GA Tech. This is the week we need to put it all together because our pre-season is over and the real competition starts coming our way.
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Aye, that be pearl clutching language from CDS.***
Sep 13, 2022, 3:12 PM
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Re: TNET: Swinney calls out his defense, wants someone to show some 'frickin' pride'
Sep 13, 2022, 3:20 PM
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Wes needs to start a cycle of TRT and up the intensity
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Guys can you not see how this works
Sep 13, 2022, 3:48 PM
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If you spent any time in the military I'm sure you've seen this. Other jobs and teams too but I know the military side better.
You have a soldier that maybe doesn't have the confidence you want to see. So when he's doing okay, you build him up some. He starts believing in himself. You point out the bad, not dwell on it. You praise the good. He builds more confidence, he gets better. On the flip. You got a guy that's a super soldier, expert marksman, knows his shytte, great PT, etc. You expect darn near perfection. He knows he's got it. You know he's got it. Every one of his peers looks to him as the standard, sets the tone, the guy that people see as an example, always doing the right thing. But he falls down on the job. Just screws the pooch and his peers feed off that and they lay down on he job too.
Sure, you get on the other guys and point out the bad, find the teaching points. But when you get to your tone setter you treat them a little different. You kn9w they respond different because they know everyone looks to them. They set the pace. They uphold the standard. They know they laid down on the job. They will respond because that's who they are.
It's leadership. It's knowing your people. Knowing how they respond to their own mistakes and it being pointed out that their effort sucked.
I'll be honest here. I've watched this defense a lot. I've not missed watching a game in the last 10 years. I've noticed something in the last 3 or 4 however many seasons he's been there but EVERY time Tyler Davis is out our defense comes up lacking. He is the glue for this D. Go back and watch just about any game without TD you'll see it. He's the Grady Jarrett of our Defense. He is relentless and our other 10 feed off of that. He never quits. He does darn near everything perfect and just like Jarret gets overshadowed. Someone will get hm in the draft 3rd or 4th round and they will steal a blue collar, multi year pro bowler.
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Re: Guys can you not see how this works
Sep 13, 2022, 8:32 PM
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Your comment about Tyler Davis is so true. The D is a different animal when he is in the game. Let's hope he is ok and will be on the field for our final 10 games of the regular season. Go Tigers.
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Re: Guys can you not see how this works
Sep 14, 2022, 10:56 AM
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At this point everyone needs to not expect Davis to be out there. Unfortunately he's proven himself to be injury prone. Just be thankful for any snaps he takes in any games for the rest of the year
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Re: TNET: Swinney calls out his defense, wants someone to show some 'frickin' pride'
Sep 13, 2022, 6:44 PM
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Gotta love our Dabo.
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