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Out with the old and in with a new more conservative
Jan 25, 2013, 7:34 AM
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bunch.
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All-TigerNet [10988]
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If the GOP doesn't get its act together and represent the
Jan 25, 2013, 9:35 AM
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party of "NO" to government and the party of liberty and freedom, then they are dead. This mealymouthed middle of the road stuff is just a recipie for perpetual defeat. With Republicans like the ones who voted for "No Budget No pay" we might as well just have Democrats.
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Re: If the GOP doesn't get its act together and represent the
Jan 25, 2013, 11:30 AM
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I like them just the way they are, on the wrong side of history.
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All-TigerNet [10988]
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Riiiight. Because the GOP opposed civil rights, right?
Jan 25, 2013, 2:33 PM
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And the GOP supported slavery, right?
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Scokolicious***
Jan 25, 2013, 8:12 AM
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Jindal's right, the GOP is a ridiculous mess. The
Jan 25, 2013, 9:28 AM
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rich old white man shtick has gotta go. The religious right and the tea party people need to sit down and shut the h3ll up, they aren't helping the team.
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All-TigerNet [10988]
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LOL, right. They just need to be more "moderate" right?
Jan 25, 2013, 9:34 AM
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They just need to be more like Democrats, right?
You know, like George W (No Child LEft Behind, Medicare part D), John McCain, and Mitt Romney, right? That's surely a winning formula!
Moron.
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I think you may need more fiber in your diet...***
Jan 25, 2013, 9:41 AM
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All-TigerNet [10988]
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Wow, good one. Tell me where I'm wrong.***
Jan 25, 2013, 9:54 AM
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I was not saying youre wrong.
Jan 25, 2013, 9:57 AM
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Just saying you seem a little too upset over what someone posted in the lounge.
But now I will say I think you are wrong. The attempt of the republican party to legislate morality is why I never vote for them. I agree with them on almost everything else.
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All-TigerNet [10988]
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That I agree with. The problem is that there are actually 3
Jan 25, 2013, 10:15 AM
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major factions within the GOP:
The religious right The libertarian "extremists" The moderate might-as-well-be-democrats
The MSM always say that the Republicans have to be more moderate to win, and the GOP is so stupid that they actually listen to them, so what we end up with is candidates who are moderate-might-as-well-be-Democrats who say religiousy things to religious people (legislate morality) and say fiscally sound things to libertarians but then either get destroyed during the election or get into office and legislate just like Democrats.
I personally agree with you. The inconsistency of defending total freedom in the economy while legislating government control in your personal life is the achilles heel of the GOP. I'm one of the radical libertarians.
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You're wound up tighter than d1ck's hatband...relax.
Jan 25, 2013, 11:02 AM
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The GOP has shot itself in both feet in the last two presidential elections. Did we really expect that McCain and Romney could win national elections? I couldn't vote for McCain and had to hold my nose to vote for Romney.
If the GOP wants votes, focus on fiscal issues. As Gingrich eluded to in the article, exposing wasteful government spending is key to building support. Nobody wants to throw away money, it's a universal theme. Topics like gay marriage and abortion have no place on the Republican platform and will only serve to divide anyone that considers themselves a conservative.
Gay marriage is a church issue not a political issue, I'm fine with recognizing a civil union to handle end of life and probate issues...but whether or not somebody is considered to be married, well, that's a church issue.
Abortion is kryptonite to the GOP. You wanna divide the party right down the middle...just serve it up. Like it or not, abortion will always be available...that ain't gonna change. Fielding any national debate on it only allows the religious right a forum to embarrass themselves and the party, i.e. "legitimate rape".
The GOP can win on immigration issues and solid conservative fiscal policy. There needs to be a definable path to citizenship and a fair guest worker program. Honestly, immigration needs to have both parties involved, but why not take the lead on it and build political capital for your candidate.
On the fiscal front, GOP needs to address corporate taxation...it needs to be standardized. The standard rate is so high, it causes corps to create lobby specific loopholes that only benefit a few, while shifting the burden onto smaller companies. Make it beneficial for large and small corps to keep their money in the US by not taxing the crap out of them.
I don't know why you fear the term "moderate", it's merely a label that the far right likes to employ to little effect. The GOP needs universal themes that "moderates" and the far right can agree on to build support for a national leader. Else, we'll be looking at another Democrat in office in '16.
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amen, brother.***
Jan 25, 2013, 11:27 AM
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i've been saying all of this for years, but unless you have
Jan 25, 2013, 11:30 AM
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a white beard, no one wants to listen to what you have to say. kudos to (and to you) for sayin' it like it is.
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If gay marriage is a church issue, then why does the GOP
Jan 25, 2013, 11:34 AM
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support marriage licensing by the government and marriage tax rules by the government?
I agree with you on immigration.
What about military offense spending? Romney proposed doubling the budget to $2 Trillion. That was absolutely moronic. A defense budget would be about 10% of what our current budget is.
What about the constitution? Where's the GOP opposition to NDAA indefinite detention, warrantless wiretapping, CISPA, no-knock raids, etc?
If the GOP was extreme defenders of liberty (consistently) they would wipe the floor with Democrats. As it is, taking nuanced "moderate" positions on everything, there's no reason to vote for them over Democrats.
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In sticking with my original theme of the GOP
Jan 25, 2013, 12:23 PM
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shedding the "rich old white man shtick", the party needs leadership badly. I applaud Jindal for giving it a go, but in the past, he hasn't been the most media savvy guy. There should be other folks with similar ideas, willing to step. up and develop a solid front for the party.
Why couldn't the GOP support civil union licensing and tax classifications that are the same as they are for marriage? As for marriage being a church issue, I don't know about you, but I didn't feel married because of a license. I felt married when I entered into the covenant/commitment with my wife in a church ceremony. If churches want to perform wedding ceremonies for gay couples that's there business, not the government's.
Military spending is ridiculous. The Pentagon needs to learn how to do more with less...period. Hopefully, Hagel will get confirmed and he can accomplish some of his goals of paring down wasteful spending there. I think we can still provide superior defense for our nation while cutting military spending.
As for constitutional issues you mentioned...that's a bit tougher and I don't think it would help the GOP to take hard and fast stances on detentions, wiretapping, etc...Gotta take them case by case and not apply blanket policies. I'm all for liberty, but those guys in jail at Gitmo do not need to get out.
CISPA and other internet regulation, GOP should never support anything of that nature. Some within the party will argue about it, but as a whole party, need to leave that issue alone.
I'm on the fence about wiretapping, raids, government "coming to get you" issues. If it takes out a group that is planning to blow up a building in my town...good. If they nab a neighbor for posting nudies on reddit...not good. I can justify it's worth...but it makes me uneasy at the same time.
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Hahahahaha
Jan 25, 2013, 12:51 PM
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Yeah, the GOP should totally be more conservative. That's worked really well for them in the elections.
In all seriousness, the GOP would have a future if they dropped their idiotic platform on social issues and focused solely on taxation and smaller government. Their social stances, which used to win them elections, are now losing them elections.
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All-TigerNet [10988]
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The thing is, government control of social issues isn't
Jan 25, 2013, 1:21 PM
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really a conservative position. It's a neo-conservative position. Real conservatives (starting with Goldwater) were against such things. Progressivism has creeped into the Republican party through neoconservatives, and they fooled the religious right into buying into their program of government expansion.
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Thats exactly my point. Social conservatism and the
Jan 25, 2013, 2:18 PM
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religious right ain't winnin' any elections. Taxation and smaller government are classical GOP themes that are more consistent with a greater number of Americans.
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old Sac
Jan 25, 2013, 2:39 PM
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Exactly...
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Sadly it wasn't about Red & Blue in the case of Civil Rights
Jan 25, 2013, 2:44 PM
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It was about the South... Being... well, the South
1964 Civil Rights Act
Voting by party and region
Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.
The original House version:
Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%) Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%) Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94–6%) Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85–15%) The Senate version:
Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%) Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0–100%) Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%) Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%)
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