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Re: Hipps Family Sues Sigma Phi Ep and Clemson University [LINK]
Mar 30, 2015, 6:37 PM
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sad thing is no matter what happens only attorneys will win here
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indeed...sad, but true
Mar 30, 2015, 7:05 PM
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the mrs asked me about what the lawsuit 'means'....
my response was 'right now it just means they found an attorney willing to take their case'
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I hope the individuals responsible for his murder are
Mar 30, 2015, 6:38 PM
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brought to justice.
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Re: I hope the individuals responsible for his murder are
Mar 30, 2015, 6:39 PM
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Definitely. As far as I'm concerned, no fraternity member on that run should still be enrolled at Clemson.
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sounds legit.***
Mar 30, 2015, 7:37 PM
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Ahh yes...a coverup for an accident. That makes sense.***
Mar 30, 2015, 7:38 PM
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i don't think you know the definition of 'murder'
Mar 30, 2015, 9:33 PM
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but that shouldn't surprise me
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I hope that the truth comes out and that any of the scumbags
Mar 30, 2015, 6:41 PM
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who had anything to do with it or withheld anything at all pay a heavy price.
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Very sorry for the tragedy that befell this young man & his
Mar 30, 2015, 6:49 PM
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family. His parents must be beside themselves with grief..... Also very sorry for the blackeye Clemson University will suffer as a result of the negative publicity...even though the University has strict rules regarding hazing.
And if any of those out on this early morning run with Mr. Hipps were responsible for the young man's death and didn't advise authorities immediately, I trust the penalty will be pretty severe.
Wouldn't hurt my feelings if Clemson wound up suing this national fraternity either.
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I've jumped off that bridge
Mar 30, 2015, 7:06 PM
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Did it when I was a stupid Freshman. It would be very easy to jump into too shallow water near the edge and hit rocks. No way anyone could fall off it or even be thrown off it unless you had already climbed up. I obviously don't know what happened but it seems plausible that there was no malicious act that occurred here. Just a horrible accident
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absolutely plausible
Mar 30, 2015, 7:13 PM
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that it was an accident
now whether there was actionable negligence that led to the accident? that's the big question
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There's no doubt that it was an accident
Mar 30, 2015, 7:13 PM
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I don't think anyone believes that the "brothers" of Sig Ep maliciously threw the kid over the railing with the intent of killing him. Being an accident doesn't absolve the members there of any wrongdoing. Even if Hipps jumped off of his own accord that doesn't absolve the fraternity from covering THAT up for what? 6 months now? All to protect themselves. Its despicable and those covering it up are the worst kind of human beings alive.
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There's little chance the parents "win" this lawsuit...
Mar 30, 2015, 10:18 PM
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All the stuff about being ordered to buy biscuits, hazing, not notifying the police immediately, etc. doesn't show a negligent act that directly contributed to Hipps' death.
They basically admit in their complaint Hipps jumped off the bridge into shallow water voluntarily, without being under the influence of drugs or alcohol. That's pretty significant contributory negligence.
Unless they have evidence Thomas King physically forced him off the bridge, which if that's the case the DA should be charging him with murder, they don't really have hope of accomplishing anything except making a lot of people look like a bunch of a$$holes.
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You just never know what a jury might do....
Mar 31, 2015, 8:07 AM
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so to even remotely suggest that there's little chance the parents "win" this lawsuit would be imprudent.
In court, it's not always about right and wrong. Often times, it has more to do with who has the best or most convincing attorney.
Frankly, I really don't think anything malicious took place, but even if the young man jumped off the bridge voluntarily, that does not relieve those present of the responsibility of properly reporting what may have been nothing more than a tragic accident.
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What is said is:
Mar 31, 2015, 7:52 PM
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"54. Upon information and belief, Defendent King and Tucker had a confrontation over the pledges' failure to bring the requested McDonald's breakfast.
55. Subsequently, Tucker went over the railing of the bridge into the shallow waters of Lake Hartwell head first."
That does not say he willingly went over the edge. The rest of your post, fine, but at no point do they even imply that Tucker willingly jumped off the bridge.
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Re: I've jumped off that bridge
Mar 30, 2015, 11:51 PM
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Article made it seem like it was normal to make them jump and swim to shore...that's pretty ignorant and could be malicious if you ask me....after waking the kid up all night and not letting him sleep over some d@mn mcds bfast.... douchnozzles hope they pay for it
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Re: Hipps Family Sues Sigma Phi Ep and Clemson University [LINK]
Mar 30, 2015, 7:16 PM
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If more than one person knew something, the police would have know it within a day of the accident.
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I think you underestimate just how far
Mar 30, 2015, 7:20 PM
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members of a fraternity would go in order to protect the fraternity.
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Re: I think you underestimate just how far
Mar 30, 2015, 7:25 PM
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I think you over estimate "the brotherhood" of some group of 18-22 year old college kids. They would sing like birds.
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Not when they're concerned about implicating themselves***
Mar 30, 2015, 7:27 PM
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Re: Not when they're concerned about implicating themselves***
Mar 30, 2015, 7:33 PM
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A detective worth a #### and with that many people on that run would have had those punks pissing their pants and looking to blame the other guy.
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Re: In a New York minute.***
Mar 30, 2015, 7:41 PM
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I just don't see what the kids could be covering up
Mar 30, 2015, 7:27 PM
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Are they saying they saw the accident and just left him there? And then proceeded to go about the day like nothing happened. I just don't believe that. The CPD would have found something with all the interrogations that took place. Sometimes no one is to blame.
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Re: Hipps Family Sues Sigma Phi Ep and Clemson University [LINK]
Mar 30, 2015, 7:43 PM
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These are 18-22 year old young men from good family backgrounds. No one murdered anyone and no one would have covered it up. Fraternity boys might try to cover up someone drinking underage at a party but never a matter as serious as this.
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Even at the detriment to their beloved fraternity?***
Mar 30, 2015, 7:46 PM
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it appears they knew he was missing and covered it up
Mar 31, 2015, 8:04 PM
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If true, why would you do that if you're not guilty of something? Also, if true and the coroner believes he did not die instantly then to me it could be manslaughter or worse.
If what is in the lawsuit is proved true those young "men" don't want me on the jury.
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Read it yourself, #######.***
Mar 30, 2015, 8:50 PM
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Really? Come on.***
Mar 30, 2015, 9:29 PM
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Why would anybody join a fraternity?
Mar 30, 2015, 8:56 PM
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Go get your own ### mcdonalds.
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Re: Why would anybody join a fraternity?
Mar 30, 2015, 9:27 PM
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Heard McDonald's is gonna start running breakfast all day
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The Burden of Proof is a LOT less in a Civil Case than
Mar 31, 2015, 4:24 PM
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a Criminal Case. The phone and texting part may speak volumes. If someone witnessed one of them shinning a light in the lake then that could mean a lot to the Jury
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Re: Hipps Family Sues Sigma Phi Ep and Clemson University [LINK]
Mar 31, 2015, 8:14 PM
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I cannot believe some of the posts that I am reading....how can you defend these boys who have lied over and over about what happened to "their fraternity brother" ??? Deleted texts, lying to the girlfriend regarding his where abouts to buy time, changing your phone number......this whole thing has been fishy from the beginning. Unfortunately, these parents were forced to file this suit to get answers. My thoughts and prayers are with all that are involved, but especially Tucker's family.
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I graduated in 1984 - and was a 4-year member of Sig Ep
Mar 31, 2015, 9:31 PM
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Very sad to read about the death of this young man with his whole life ahead of him and this current subset of Sig Eps and their modus operandi.
We had all kinds of guys back in the day: jocks, brains, normal, crazy, clean-cut and motley crew, and possibly a few bad apples, but there were no morning runs, no real hazing, and our frat leaders tended to be semi-rational benevolent dictators (considering they were 21-22 yrs old). As pledges, we did not routinely run errands for older brothers, and we sure as hell did not pay for their food and sundries. If a task, chore, or request seemed unreasonable (because in life there always seems to be wanna-be bullying jacka$$es in many clubs or organizations), we could bounce it off other members or a senior fraternity brother who would provide rational guidance and run interference for new younger members. When all else failed, I never had a hard time telling others to stick it, but I realize not everyone can do that.
Maybe the world has changed. Maybe this is the result of some bad apples and the parent's case absolutely makes it sound like it. And there is no acceptable reason why this young man should be dead over the dumb-aSS demands and behavior set forth in the case (which seems to include inputs from some Sig Ep pledges and brothers).
All that said, I do not agree with Clemson University being sued. I understand but am ambivalent to the national fraternity being sued. I cannot see what happens in Clemson being cause for a suit against fraternity members in California, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Texas or elsewhere. As for the specific young men who caused this nightmare, if and when found guilty, there is no penalty harsh enough, and they should own it with the full truth coming out in court, and hard-time in the state pen, and wage garnishment for their entire life and that will not be enough. Agree with MarineOne about right and wrong. Do the right thing, treat people right ... something went very wrong at this fraternity house.
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