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Looming Dockworker's Strike
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Sep 30, 2024, 4:14 PM
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From the AP:
"The International Longshoremen’s Association is demanding significantly higher wages and a total ban on the automation of cranes, gates and container-moving trucks that are used in the loading or unloading of freight at 36 U.S. ports. Those ports handle roughly half of the nations’ cargo from ships."
Okay, higher wages I can see. But a total ban on automation? Who do these Luddites think they are?
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###### Sobotka***
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Re: ###### Sobotka***
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Sep 30, 2024, 4:20 PM
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THEY'LL BE SORRY WHEN BANDS OF RENEGADE ROBOTS START SHOWING UP
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Sep 30, 2024, 4:18 PM
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AT THEIR FRONT DOORS TO DRAG THESE DOCKWORKERS OFF INTO THE WOODS AND DO UNSPEAKABLE AND FREAKY ROBOT THINGS TO THEM WHERE NO ONE CAN HEAR THEM SCREAM.
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scab robots.***
Sep 30, 2024, 4:55 PM
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You can understand wanting higher wages but you can't understand
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Sep 30, 2024, 4:22 PM
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not wanting their jobs to be taken by robots?
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Re: You can understand wanting higher wages but you can't understand
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Sep 30, 2024, 4:25 PM
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That's why I called them Luddites. How long do they think they can forestall technological progress?
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Trains still have 2 engineers and a max 8 hour work day
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Sep 30, 2024, 4:26 PM
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And if you want to dock your ship in a US port you still have to have a pilot drive you in.
How long do they expect to forestall technology?
Forever?
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I wish all my customers thought like you brochacho***
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I've always said they're the one union with the most leverage of them all.
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And they will get what they want. The amount of leverage they have, because we are beholden to imports, is MASSIVE. I think if they walk the estimates are around $5 billion in economic damage, PER DAY.
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TWSS***
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This ain't a forklift.
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That's what they got the robots for that the union is trying to keep out?
Sep 30, 2024, 5:45 PM
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Trying to stop automation is a losing battle. It was lost in the chemical industry a long time ago.
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There's some state, I forget, NJ or Oregon, where you can't pump your own
Sep 30, 2024, 6:43 PM
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gas. By law. So the gas station attendant job wouldn't disappear I guess.
Just checked, it's just NJ now. Oregon finally got rid of the law, and they were the other state.
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dudes that wanna get replaced by robots***
Sep 30, 2024, 4:33 PM
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In all seriousness...
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Sep 30, 2024, 4:39 PM
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Every time I drive past the docks there are 6 forklifts on side of the dock beside the loaded ship. At least a dozen guys are standing around talking. Usually, there are 2 other forklifts just driving around, another parked at the end of the dock entrance, and another parked on the side of the highway out there talking to a guy standing outside of his car.
If I just knew some dockworker bigwigs...
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Re: Looming Dockworker's Strike
Sep 30, 2024, 4:36 PM
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They are currently getting paid $39 per hour. They want $69 per hour by 2029
Crazy lunatics running ILA.
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hmm
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Sep 30, 2024, 4:38 PM
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so we got Uniparty tariff's goin on
costs of energy up
union mob bosses demanding more money
Made in AmericaMexico sounding sweeter by the quarter!
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There was a time when Andrew Yang was an out of touch loon with his
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Sep 30, 2024, 5:05 PM
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ideas about universal basic income, but there's a crisis on the doorstep now, especially with the advent and proliferation of AI. Multiple millions of blue collar jobs will be obsolete in the next decade, and millions more in the decade after. What do all the truck drivers, dock workers, mechanics, etc. do when those jobs no longer exist? Hell, doctors and lawyers aren't safe, either.
So, how does society function when the people who don't own the technology and capital are of no use to those who do? Fast food jobs? Those jobs that were supposed to be stepping stones and motivation to better yourself? Those'll be automated too.
You can't sell products and services to people who don't have money.
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Re: Yeah, I think AI is a bigger threat to mid-level white collar jobs.
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Don't know if that post was meant to be satirical, BB, but after struggling through two paragraphs of the linked essay, I rolled my eyes and gave up. Deep thinker though Wendell Berry may suppose himself, his writing is sophomoric.
That said, and further to the original point: SLIP AND FALL LAWYERS NEED TRUCK DRIVERS AND MECHANICS AND DOCTORS, so until slip and fall lawyers quit being friends with lawyers who make laws, I figure those jobs are safe.
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