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It is hard to believe how ...
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Oct 25, 2025, 10:43 PM
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diminished our talent is. You watch these good teams, and we are not CLOSE to them.
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Its not hard when you pay attention to the decline
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Oct 25, 2025, 10:49 PM
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The last 5 years.
This is not an all of a sudden thing where we’re not talented…….our talent has been eroding at a decent pace since 2021……it’s only now that some of our fans are seeing it and it’s because those type fans only see wins and losses without seeing the game within the game. You can’t judge us on wins/losses within the ACC.
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Asst Coach [859]
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Re: Its not hard when you pay attention to the decline
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Oct 25, 2025, 10:55 PM
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For sure. Our program isn't close to what it was even in 2020.
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Hall of Famer [9087]
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Re: No Leadership...No Real Gamechangers...No Real Difference Makers ---
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Oct 25, 2025, 11:00 PM
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No Mega Alpha Dogs with pride...that just want to win it. Who we have tries....but what I said earlier goes for coaches too.
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Re: No Leadership...No Real Gamechangers...No Real Difference Makers ---
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Oct 26, 2025, 12:10 AM
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Dabo got rich and famous and it went to his head. He saw an opportunity to use Clemson as a cash cow for family and friends.
Time for him to get back to earning that 11 million a year or move on. And it's past time to put an end to his using Clemson as a cash cow for friends and family. If Neff doesn't put an end to it, Neff needs to be fired.
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Re: No Leadership...No Real Gamechangers...No Real Difference Makers ---
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Oct 26, 2025, 12:23 AM
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Tom Allen and Garrett Riley are Dabo’s "friends and family"?? Or are you referring to the silly "nepotism list" of weeks ago, that was made up of some analysts. And that included names like offensive gameplan analyst Andrew Zow, a Bama staring QB from the late ‘90s/early 2000s era. He coached at high schools throughout Florida for years before coming to an analyst role at Clemson and his only "nepotism" connection to Dabo is I guess suppose to be they both have a connection to Bama???
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Re: No Leadership...No Real Gamechangers...No Real Difference Makers ---
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Oct 26, 2025, 12:25 AM
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^^^^ Can’t see the forest for the trees
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Re: No Leadership...No Real Gamechangers...No Real Difference Makers ---
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Oct 26, 2025, 12:40 AM
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So Tom Allen and Garrett Riley are Dabo’s family, got it.
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Re: No Leadership...No Real Gamechangers...No Real Difference Makers ---
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Oct 26, 2025, 1:08 AM
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Your argument is disingenuous, and I'm sure you know it. You're not presenting it from a macro level, because it doesn't work in your defense. Go look at every coaching or analyst position on the team and how many of them are either a friend or family member of Dabo, and how many of them are legitimately qualified. Don't keep embarrassing yourself asking the ridiculous question of "are Riley and Allen a friend of family member?".
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Re: No Leadership...No Real Gamechangers...No Real Difference Makers ---
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Oct 26, 2025, 1:13 AM
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The analysts you speak of were from that silly "nepotism list" a few weeks back. What none of the promoters and copiers of it bothered to answer were simple things like, how do analysts at Clemson (in their background) compare to analysts at other major schools? Or, what kind of coaching backgrounds did these analysts already have before ever coming to Clemson. Much harder to claim something is just "nepotism", when you find out individuals in question have many years of non-Clemson coaching experience. Again, Andrew Zow being one example from that list. And his whole "nepotism with Dabo" angle is they both have a connection to Bama I guess!
Mentioning Riley and Allen is of notable relevance as they are the two most important coaches outside of Dabo. The whole, weak "nepotism list", while full of the basic holes noted above, was almost all on random analysts not any position coaches much less coordinators.
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Oct 26, 2025, 1:08 AM
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Deion, who many here hate, makes over 10 mil a year. Also Cignetti got a huge, long-term deal based on beating perennial short comer Oregon a few weeks back. Before that Cignetti was getting all the praise based on an easy Big Ten schedule last year and then getting waxed when he actually had to play OSU and ND. Of course today, IU throttled a UCLA team that is back to their sucky selves.
So Dabo’s generous contract is certainly in good company with how crazy money flows across the college football ecosystem.
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Oct 26, 2025, 1:15 AM
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Every time I see you post, it's completely disingenuous. Your argument that Dabo's contract is deserved is the fact that Cignetti got a huge deal even though he only beats bad teams? Do you realize how bad Dabo has been against quality competition the last few years, and has only beaten up on lowly ACC teams? Or are you conveniently ignoring that?
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Oct 27, 2025, 12:50 PM
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The market pays what the market pays. Cignetti used success at a perennial loser for leverage. No surprise. There is a lot more money available these days due to TV Contracts. Deion instantly made Colorado relevant, but has lost his star players. Dabo has 2 Natty's and legitimately could've had 2 more. He had proven his worth when the money was doled out. Of course, it's gone downhill as the rules of the game changed and Dabo didn't.
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Oct 26, 2025, 12:20 AM
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Recruiting rankings don’t bare this out. They are right around the same level they’ve been at throughout Dabo’s tenure. Also, we have started to use the portal, the other thing the masses here love to go on about. While, they also ignore Norvell & FSU portal debacles for one example. And the fact that the statistical majority of portal players are no better at their new school. On FSU and Norvell the response there is usually, "we’ll take 19 portal players, but not 20 like them." Or my personal favorite, "Norvell just sucks, it’s his fault. You can’t blame the portal, blame him!"
So there is certainly more to the story than, "our talent has just gone down". Certain recruits haven’t done as well as hoped, and have also flamed out at schools they transferred to (thinking of DJU for example). Along with other teams getting better and the simple up and down nature of college football. 44-16 in perpetuity was never a legitimate hope, it was fantasy that more than one would think thought legitimate future reality for "lil ole’ Clemson".
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Oct 26, 2025, 12:27 AM
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You can argue window dressing all you want, but Clemson has nobody on the team that anybody in the top 25 would want. Our team is so slow and they don’t care. You just need to open your eyes and realize what has happened.
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Oct 26, 2025, 12:45 AM
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Yeah… that’s why Peter Woods and T.J. Parker are coveted by all NFL teams that would need defensive lineman and that are going to be near the top of the draft board where both of them will go. Again there is no easy, simple answer for why we have struggled this year. There are many problems that have happened and have yet to be properly fixed by all manner of coaches and players. Also, preseason rankings, where most hopes and wishes were based off of, are likely only going to continue to be less and less relevant in this new era of unparalleled parity in college football history. Just ask Penn State and Texas about that too.
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Oct 26, 2025, 4:16 AM
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Unparalleled parity = portal…
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The roster is not determined by just recruiting rankings. Many of the top-tier guys have been leaving early for the NFL, there have been a few high profile transfers, a few huge busts of those 4/5 stars, and some talented but soft stars. The stacked D-lines of the 2010's are gone. No Grady Jarrett, Shaw Lawson, CW4, Dex, etc... have weakened the heart of the program.
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