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I heard this Clemson team being compared to the 2014
Nov 4, 2022, 7:30 AM
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FSU team the other day on radio. Good team that will make playoffs but got exposed.
I hope this is not case. While I don’t think this team is as good as some of our other teams, they have found a way to win. Hope the offense can remain steady w Shipley and find one explosive guy in next few weeks.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [102407]
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We could be embarrassed with DJ behind center.
Nov 4, 2022, 7:33 AM
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IDK about Cade yet. I had high hopes but I don't believe he's had enough time on the field yet. Maybe that's in the works.
I'm not a DJ dumper anymore. He's done a good job this season but I just don't think he can hold up to a top 10 defense which is the one thing that a team needs to compete at that level.
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Re: I heard this Clemson team being compared to the 2014
Nov 4, 2022, 7:50 AM
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Why wouldn't you just say 2017 Clemson team? That was a good team that got exposed in the playoffs and it was actually our team
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Clemson Conqueror [11587]
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I'm not familiar enough w/ the 2014 FSU team, but our 2017..
Nov 4, 2022, 8:26 AM
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team lacked ONE THING..........a capable passer at QB. We lack weapons at multiple offensive positions this year. DJ is throwing for more yards/game than KB w/ less weapons at WR.........and has a 17/4 TD/Int compared to KB's 13/8...........not saying DJU is "great", but our offensive unit as a whole has taken a large step back talent wise compared to our 2015-2018 teams, but yet DJ gets ALL the crap............I've said it before Shipley is our best offensive player on our current team...........Shipley would AT BEST be 4th best on our 2015-2018 teams (even 2019).
There's plenty of blame to go around than to just blindly throw 100% at DJ.
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Re: I'm not familiar enough w/ the 2014 FSU team, but our 2017..
Nov 4, 2022, 8:32 AM
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Well said. TU
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Game Changer [2037]
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Those arguments are always silly...
Nov 4, 2022, 8:54 AM
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you can use that example for any team that loses by a large margin in the playoffs.....
2014 FSU
2015 Oklahoma
2015 Michigan St
2016 Washington
2016 Ohio St
2017 Clemson
2018 Notre Dame
2019 Oklahoma
2020 Notre Dame (maybe)
2020 Clemson
2021 Cincinnati
2021 Michigan
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Us making the playoffs this year is mostly about us being far more talented
Nov 4, 2022, 8:49 AM
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than most everyone on our schedule.
Notre Dame is the only opponent we play during the regular season who has anywhere close to the talent we have, and we are more talented.
Our issue is that we don’t have enough big playmakers on both sides of the ball. On offense, Shipley is our only real big play threat on offense. Henry is our big play guy on defense. Otherwise, we are solid but not spectacular. We aren’t consistent. And because of that, I’m not very confident that we will win a playoff game.
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Re: Us making the playoffs this year is mostly about us being far more talented
Nov 4, 2022, 10:57 AM
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TigerNet Icon [152682]
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Your post is standing straight up.***
Nov 4, 2022, 10:59 AM
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Heisman Winner [86025]
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Rotate your monitor.
Nov 4, 2022, 11:00 AM
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HTH
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Heisman Winner [79904]
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Using iPHONE- doesn't help
Nov 4, 2022, 11:07 AM
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to rotate. It is so smart it stays one step ahead of me. Even tells me not to leave it in my hot car again.
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Heisman Winner [86025]
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ok, just for you Clover....
Nov 4, 2022, 1:28 PM
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Clemson Conqueror [11484]
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Re: Us making the playoffs this year is mostly about us being far more talented
Nov 4, 2022, 11:07 AM
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Having more talent than their schedule why most teams make the playoffs.
They play one game against a team with similar talent and win and then they are more talented than the rest of their schedule.
That's almost the definition of any team in the top 10 by the end of the season. The only difference between playoff teams and 5-10 is usually those teams at 5-10 were either upset by a less talented team or lost to one of the top 4 teams that has similar talent.
We have 5 different players who have caught passes of 40 or more yards and Shipley is not on that list.
DJ and Shipley have had runs of 40 or more yards.
KJ Henry is tied for 3 on the team in sacks with 4 other guys. RJ Mickens leads in interceptions and Barrett Carter leads the team in forced fumbles. Ruke leads all DL in passes deflected with KJ in 2nd.
I'm not saying we will make the playoffs or win a game if we get there, but the numbers don't back up the "only 1 guy on each side" argument that you are trying to sell.
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Jimmies and Joes... something something... X's & O's***
Nov 4, 2022, 11:12 AM
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Freshman [-74]
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Re: Us making the playoffs this year is mostly about us being far more talented
Nov 4, 2022, 3:24 PM
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Clemson will, in all likelihood, play 5 of the top 20 most talented teams per the 247 composite. Ohio State will play 4. Tennessee will play 6 (if they make the SEC championship), Georgia will play 6 (if they make the SEC championship). So that’s pretty on par with our companions in the current CFP Top 4.
But, you want to imply that talent, not coaching is responsible for our status. So let’s look a little closer. Texas A&M has more total talent (not just the 2022 class), a national championship coach, and hires assistants without regard to expense or connections to the program. They’re unranked. Texas is 6th in total talent. They’re 5-3 and no 24 in CFP poll. Oklahoma is 9th (this is the actual talent they have on hand). They’re 5-3 and unranked. Notre Dame is 10th. They’re also 5-3 and unranked.
So something besides pure talent must have some influence on outcome. And before you point out coaching turnovers at Oklahoma or Notre Dame remember that we changed both of our top coordinators and you haven’t stopped beating the drum that Dabo’s replacements were as incompetent as he could have possible found. So how are other top 10 teams by talent struggling so badly (against similar competition based also on talent) and we’re not? Couldn’t possibly be our head coach that you continually impugn while simultaneously claiming you love.
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Freshman [-74]
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Well said. Great data!
Nov 4, 2022, 5:09 PM
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Ms. Judge exposed yet again.
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Re: I heard this Clemson team being compared to the 2014
Nov 4, 2022, 9:01 AM
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Nope. FSU had a Jim-plosion. See A&M and App State. Turnovers in the rose bowl.
Crab-legs was also turning the ball over like crazy and his performance dropped. His turnover kept teams in the game that should have blown folks out. When you average 2.5 turnovers per game (and only produce 1 on your side) you are not going to walk away from lesser teams.
FSU had 7 fumbles against Oregon... lost four. Jameis had a fumble and an INT, their WR had a fumble or two. Cooke had several fumbles. Many happening back-to-back possessions in the 3rd to allow Oregon to score.
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Athletic Dir [1130]
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Re: I heard this Clemson team being compared to the 2014
Nov 4, 2022, 9:26 AM
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This team is more like 2016 Clemson. Win close games, versus the likes of Troy, even lost to Pitt. Conference gets flack for being weak (even though in 2016 the acc was clearly the best football conference, it’s true). Deshaun other threw TD or a pick so “what’s wrong with Deshaun”, and then in the playoffs it just came together.
Why can’t it be us? Gotta get there first before we know how this team will be remembered.
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Clemson Conqueror [11484]
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Re: I heard this Clemson team being compared to the 2014
Nov 4, 2022, 11:08 AM
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I was just about to say that our Syracuse game was exactly like FSU 2014.
We had way more talent that decided to hand the ball to the other team.
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Ultimate Tiger [33632]
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getting "exposed"
Nov 4, 2022, 9:33 AM
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in the playoffs is better than dominating the Outback Bowl
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National Champion [7838]
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Re: I heard this Clemson team being compared to the 2014
Nov 4, 2022, 11:16 AM
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If our defense was more dominant, I would say that we could beat anyone in the country. Since it's not, I can't see us being that competitive in playoff games. Feels like Tennessee, Ohio State, and Alabama would throw all over our secondary. Georgia's defense would completely shut down our offense like they did last year.
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Re: I heard this Clemson team being compared to the 2014
Nov 4, 2022, 11:22 AM
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I've struggled to come to any conclusions on our team this season. We're obviously better than last year, but we still struggle to be consistent on offense similar to last year.
I'll literally watch our team play for a quarter and think we wouldn't match up well against other elite teams, and then we'll play a quarter or half that makes me think we're close to turning a corner and being able to compete with anyone.
Our defense will look straight dominant at times, and then show weaknesses for long stretches of games. Our offense will put together a few straight impressive drives that makes you think they're finally figuring things out, and then we'll struggle to get a first down for several drives. It's just so hard to put a finger on this team.
It's because of the above that I can realistically see us getting blown out in a playoff game, but I can also realistically see us finally put together a complete game and knock off another CFP team.
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National Champion [7995]
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Re: I heard this Clemson team being compared to the 2014
Nov 4, 2022, 1:42 PM
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If the boys can be physical and play consistently good ball versus ND, that will make most fans, including me, feel better. The whole problem has been Clemson beating Clemson and that frustrates everyone. They have the ability and talent to do it. Gotta get their minds right!
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Yep, it will be a pad-poppin test of manhood.
Nov 4, 2022, 3:00 PM
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Notre Dame will try to beat us on the LOS. We gotta bow up and show we can win the physical matchup.
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In some ways it is. FSU could turn it on and play at a very
Nov 4, 2022, 2:10 PM
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high level when they needed to that year.
Our defense has played like that a lot so far.
But, if we manage to win the ACC and make the playoff, anything more is gravy.
But gravy is nice.
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Freshman [-74]
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So when an elite team faces another elite team in the playoffs, and
Nov 4, 2022, 2:51 PM
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finishes as one of the top 4 teams in America, they've been "exposed"?
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