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110%er [3786]
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Why leave the ACC now?
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Mar 5, 2025, 8:20 AM
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What would be the rush? The ACC will get to Automatic Bids under the CFP going forward. The pat for Clemson will be easier in ACC. That’s just a fact.
Under the new settlement, we could earn $65+CFP $$$ that could get us into the $80mil per year range. That’s not that far off from SEC money.
Also, I think it should be noted that our agreement with ND in terms of football over next few years is huge now. It was apparent this will be settled out when that arrangement was made a few weeks back. Say what you want about ND, they have huge media brand. Part of our new deal is exposure. Those ND games will feed into even more.
This settlement was absolute win win for Clemson.
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Paw Warrior [4843]
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We are waiting until 2030. That's the only the ACC gained with the selllement.***
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Mar 5, 2025, 8:23 AM
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Solid Orange [1338]
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Re: We are waiting until 2030. That's the only the ACC gained with the selllement.***
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Mar 5, 2025, 8:44 AM
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We really only gained time and saving face...6 more years, posters wanted to leave the ACC right now cause we been cheated by Swofford and the rest! Ain't happening right now...nobody wants us or the Savages! More money for crowds and ratings ( already on the table) Clemson has been the most productive member of the ACC for 10 years! Let's sue can never be a good thing and my Tigers just welched on an agreement with the folks who brought us here! (Would have been 2nd class citizens in the SEC, Arkansas, Misery, Okies, Poultry) You really think Tennessee, Bama, Jawja and LSU are just going to roll over! We can still be great where we are but now we have a taint!
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All-In [10790]
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Re: We are waiting until 2030. That's the only the ACC gained with the selllement.***
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Mar 5, 2025, 8:54 AM
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Swofford did nothing that was not approved by the conference members so blame the Presidents.
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Solid Orange [1338]
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Re: We are waiting until 2030. That's the only the ACC gained with the selllement.***
Mar 5, 2025, 7:49 PM
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Agree...everyone read it and that was praised from the start...the conference cared more about us than we did of them (the other members), conference put forth the new revenue mix! What we did will not be lost on the other members of the ACC and the other conferences...why would Stankey want us...we are not trustworthy! OSU would just love us in the big whatever!
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Legend [6832]
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Re: We are waiting until 2030. That's the only the ACC gained with the selllement.***
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Mar 5, 2025, 9:19 AM
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Tru Tiger has it wrong. We gained bunches. We can if we perform well each year make nearly as much money as if we were in the SEC or BIG without having to play thru those teams yo get yo the CFP. When Sec and Big contracts expire then we could pay much less than 100 million to get out and then we would also have our media rights go with us. Huge victory. We never wanted to leave the ACC at this time only later if the landscape completely changes. This is a win win.
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Solid Orange [1381]
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110%er [3719]
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You answered your own question
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Mar 5, 2025, 8:39 AM
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"That’s not that far off from SEC money."
Close is only good for horseshoes and handgrenades.
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Valley Legend [12482]
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Re: You answered your own question
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Mar 5, 2025, 8:45 AM
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"That’s not that far off from SEC money."
Close is only good for horseshoes and handgrenades.
Actually being in the ballpark is enough we don’t have to associate with the vermin of the SEC
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Gridiron Giant [15431]
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Re: You answered your own question
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Mar 5, 2025, 10:01 AM
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SEC money is guaranteed. We have to make a deep run in the CFP to get close. Not the same!
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Valley Legend [12482]
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Re: You answered your own question
Mar 5, 2025, 10:43 AM
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SEC money is guaranteed. We have to make a deep run in the CFP to get close. Not the same!
We have a solid athletic program this year yet we are at a deficit in terms of conference revenue. We don’t need to receive revenue to excel, as long as we are in the ballpark.
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Starter [252]
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Agree with OP regarding importance of potential ND games
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Mar 5, 2025, 9:04 AM
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Given this new "Brand" funding formula TV ratings will be THE determining factor in maximizing payouts. If the rumored scheduling arrangement with ND is true and we play them every year, or at least every other year, that will be huge in separating our TV ratings above others, including FSU, Miami, etc. As OP says, it'll also assist in national branding. I really like the this new setup in the ACC now and the litigation proved to be be very instrumental in getting this deal done.
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Legend [6832]
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Re: Agree with OP regarding importance of potential ND games
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Mar 5, 2025, 9:24 AM
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100% correct. We came out smelling like a rose as they say. I never thought we would get all this but the ACC was going to lose and this is why they were willing to settle. You can’t keep a schools media rights if they are no longer in your conference. I admire the Clemson leadership for taking this move. This was a Donald Trump move.
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Orange Immortal [66462]
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Re: Why leave the ACC now?
Mar 5, 2025, 9:28 AM
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Agree regarding ND.
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Gridiron Giant [15431]
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Re: Why leave the ACC now?
Mar 5, 2025, 10:05 AM
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Where are we fitting extra football games with ND on our schedule other than what we already have scheduled with them? It's booked until mid 30's. Haven't heard anything about LSU, UGA and OU canceling future dates.
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National Champion [7929]
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Re: Why leave the ACC now?
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Mar 5, 2025, 9:47 AM
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There is no promise that we will stay in the ACC from anything I've seen. Clemson could pay the exit fee and leave tomorrow, assuming they have a landing spot- That's what this lawsuit was about. Staying until 2030 looks likely, but none of us know about the backroom discussions with the Big 2 conferences or ESPN.
Yes, this is huge win for FSU and Clemson, even bigger win if we have a landing spot.
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CU Guru [1574]
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Re: Why leave the ACC now?
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Mar 5, 2025, 12:05 PM
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Having a landing spot is the problem. That's far from guaranteed, despite what some people think.
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Solid Orange [1338]
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Re: Why leave the ACC now?
Mar 5, 2025, 7:53 PM
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Without loyalty who will give us a landing spot...during our natty runs the rest of the ACC was proud...that will not happen again!
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Solid Orange [1338]
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Mar 5, 2025, 7:53 PM
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Without loyalty who will give us a landing spot...during our natty runs the rest of the ACC was proud...that will not happen again!
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Gridiron Giant [15431]
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Re: Why leave the ACC now?
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Mar 5, 2025, 7:59 PM
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You keep posting about this Cootster. You must be worried more than you are letting on about where we may go?
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Tiger Cub [18]
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Mar 5, 2025, 1:26 PM
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You can be out in 2026 season for $165 million with all of the rights...The ACC caved on owning rights, GOR...it is now just one fee to get out...$165 million..decreasing by $18 million per year.
I wonder if FSU will wait...they supposedly have a warchest to be put up by big boosters to get out....
But the real question is...will the Big Ten or SEC want an addition of an ACC team before their next contract.
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National Champion [7993]
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I'm wondering what the options are out of the ACC..
Mar 5, 2025, 10:08 AM
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the SEC seems filled to the brim. I don't know that they care to add more teams in its current state. Unless they're planning to split and have two SEC conferences.. I'm no fan of playing in the Big 10. There's no commonality with playing nebraska or michigan state every year. Seems as dumb as playing stanford and cal except now its every opponent being a stranger. I don't know. Seems like the jumping conferences ship has sailed unless there is some new structuring of the SEC or a new southern conference that's gonna happen in the future. We just need some of these teams in our conference to live up to their names on and annual basis (namely FSU, Miami, VT)
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Associate AD [1086]
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Mar 5, 2025, 10:35 AM
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Playing Notre Dame, FSU, and Miami every year would make the ACC a much better long term home.
The ACC apparently has a formula for distributing money to the teams that are bringing in the most revenue. It would be nice if Clemson played the top 5 on that list every season.
More Notre Dame and less Wake Forest.
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Re: Why leave the ACC now?
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Mar 5, 2025, 11:54 AM
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Ultimately I see this as a foundation for the ACC to return to divisions with its football / brand drivers in one and a second one for the more G5 type programs. The ACC could actually expand its east coast footprint some with additional programs whose football fits the second division but hoops and other sports match up well overall. Think UConn, Memphis, maybe Temple, Tulane. Could help drive additional traffic to the ACCN and allow for greater geographic harmony among the non-revenue sports.
With Notre Dame, keep their 5 annual games but rotate them among only the upper division programs.
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Associate AD [1086]
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Re: Why leave the ACC now?
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Mar 5, 2025, 12:09 PM
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There have been two concepts that have leaked out the ACC office for those that are following along.
1) Notre Dame will start playing the top teams in the ACC every year.
2) The ACC will get two spots in the CFP. The ACC gets to decide how to award those spots.
I would give one spot to the regular season champion of the top division.
The second place team in the top division would play the first place team in the other division in Charlotte. The winner would get a spot in the CFP.
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Athletic Dir [1187]
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It buys us time, helps us remain competitive on the money side. Lots can change
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Mar 5, 2025, 11:10 AM
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No one knows what the landscape of Conference alignments will be over the next 5-10 years. This gives us time and the ability to actually make a change when/if it becomes necessary.
Personally I like the ACC for all things except Football. And even then, right now I like where we stand in football. Just waiting for the bomb to drop on what the SEE and BIG will do to the playoffs once they have full control.
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Standout [243]
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Re: Why leave the ACC now?
Mar 5, 2025, 11:39 AM
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I think if it’s comparable to SEC money we should stay and take the CFP Bid every year
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National Champion [7929]
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Re: Why leave the ACC now?
Mar 5, 2025, 11:42 AM
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It isn't comparable to the B1G or the SEC. That was the reason for the lawsuit in the first place. And while the performance based payments help, they do not bridge the gap.
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Re: Why leave the ACC now?
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Mar 5, 2025, 12:17 PM
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Actually, I never wanted to leave the ACC. I wanted to push for Notre Dame to join (along with Stanford) and then for the league to do everything possible to make us more attractive and stronger. I just did not believe we had the right people in place to do it. Like the SEC, we can afford to have one, two, or three Vanderbilts, but we just can't afford for half the league to be Vanderbilts. Hopefully, there is a way forward for us!
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Game Day Hero [4332]
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Re: Why leave the ACC now?
Mar 5, 2025, 12:32 PM
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Because I really expect a major screw job on the formula used for viewership revenue. Projections of $15M above current may never materialize. Too many ways to rig it so most of the conference gets revenue in the same ballpark. Honestly, that would be just the latest example of the ACC brass working hard to hold back Clemson. Don’t ever assume any non conference games will be included into the formula until you see it in writing. Clemson may be perfectly happy for that type of compromise because ESPN used a heavy hand to get the GoR valuation basically down zero.
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Game Changer [1736]
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Re: Why leave the ACC now?
Mar 5, 2025, 1:20 PM
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one simple reason....as long as ESPN continues to be the mouthpiece for the SEC, our ceiling in this current landscape is where it is right now....we may pull 1 or 2 elite players every now and then, but nothing like we were doing between 2015-2019. These kids don't hear anything other than "you need to play in the SEC"....over and over and over again. That is all they hear.
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