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Id still rather have Dabo
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He didn’t quit like Saban. He believes in developing the character and values which is the entire purpose of sports, not $$$ ego and chasing wins at all costs even if it means stopping to new lows as a culture.
If you guys haven’t realized we hit the jackpot when we hired Dabo. Maybe he needs to use the portal more, and likely he will more each year. But I’d feel sleezy as a fsu or lsu, especially if they do all that then don’t win a natty? At a certain point they are just facilitating moral decay and running free agents in and out of their campus. Free agents making more than their college professors and/or presidents, yet make mistakes every weekend on the field because they are still kids. Kids still need guidance.
Who would you trade Dabo for?
Would you be shocked if we finish the regular season with 2 losses? Or back in the cfp? Or he brings Jeff back (if he even wants to re-enter in to this toxic environment of cfb?)
We are seeing the final years of cfb as we know it and you guys are ready to sell the farm to get rid of one of the last good guys left, for what? One more natty so you can thump your chest? Please!
We will be a free fall worse than VT if some of you get your wish.
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Hes paid to win; period.***
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Re: Hes paid to win; period.***
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Sep 14, 2025, 6:08 PM
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Win at all costs? That’s refreshing…
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Re: Hes paid to win; period.***
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Sep 14, 2025, 6:18 PM
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Win at all costs? That’s refreshing…
Within the rule - YES.
Don’t like the game - pick up your toys and go home.
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Re: Hes paid to win; period.***
Sep 14, 2025, 6:18 PM
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That’s meant for Dabo … not the member who posted.
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Clemson is not full of choir boys playing Satanists on a weekly basis
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Sep 14, 2025, 6:47 PM
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Win at all costs? That’s refreshing…
Your dramatic post tries to paint that picture. No one said win at all costs.
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Re: Hes paid to win; period.***
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Sep 14, 2025, 6:27 PM
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Wrong, he is paid to run a program.
But he has won a LOT more than anyone else in Clemson history including greats like Frank Howard and Danny Ford. He IS a future HoF coach - period. Even the best of the best have bad seasons. Even with the mess the program was in when he took over mid-season in 2008 but he rebuilt it and has put up 13 or 14 10+ game winning seasons - one of them just last year which included an ACC Championship and a cfp appearance. To me, that MORE than meets the definition of winning.
Swinney has a record of 181-48 or .790 - Bear Bryant had a record of 323-85-17 or .780 and Nick Saban had a record of 183-65-1 or .737
How do you define winning?
I suppose he could win two more games, then lose 17 in a row so he could be just as good as saban.
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CU Medallion [19043]
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Yes, he was awesome. That time has passed.***
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Sep 14, 2025, 6:53 PM
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Re: Yes, he was awesome. That time has passed.***
Sep 14, 2025, 7:09 PM
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Re: Hes paid to win; period.***
Sep 14, 2025, 8:01 PM
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Even during our ‘glory years’ from 2015 thru 2020, inclusive, we did not have great depth except at DL (which is a great place to have depth, but back to the topic).
Our starters were top quality; competitive with the tradition power programs.
Actually starting 2020 season, our starters-quality had slipped. Our reputation + marquee QB probably gave us an advantage when the CFP committee chose their four programs for the playoffs.
Since 2021, we have maintained a defense that has, at best, been tremendous, and at worst was still pretty good. Our OL and WR groups were bad to mediocre until last year, when they were good (not great, not awful, but good).
The common denominator in our half-decade of nothing special W-L record has been QB play that has fallen far short of advanced billing / HS ratings.
Had we had our QBs from 2021 thru present year playing for us during our glory years, there would not have been any glory years.
I suppose we could blame Dabo for our QBs from 2021 thru present year not being anything special, but I don’t ascribe to that. I blame bad luck. That happens to everybody at some point or the other. (Programs such as UGA always had more depth and [at least equal; typically a bit better] also an advantage in starter quality. UGA was the rare program whose overwhelming roster could atone for what was just OK play by their QB.
Ckemson never had that kind of endowment as what UGA had, and still has.
(*). We need to be realistic.
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Re: Hes paid to win; period.***
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Sep 14, 2025, 6:49 PM
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Has he not won enough for you ?
You want to go find a different coach and see what happens ?
I remind you of the last time Clemson lost a National Championship winning coach...we saucked for 20 years.
Stay the course.
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Probation a btch****
Sep 14, 2025, 6:51 PM
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Sep 14, 2025, 6:06 PM
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Saban is quite a bit older... I can't blame him for not continuing.
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Sep 14, 2025, 6:10 PM
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He didn’t quit due to age. He quit because a player asked for more money to play in the bowl game. His wife basically asked him why he would continue to do this.
So the best coaches are leaving due to the environment.
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Sep 14, 2025, 6:28 PM
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Exactly, he was older and didn't have to put up with the stupidity.
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Sep 14, 2025, 6:10 PM
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Thank you, Thank you, Thank you! I too will take Dabo any day. I love to win too but not at the loss of a man who does things the right way. All the BandWagon riders can get off and stay off IMO. We don’t need them.
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Sep 14, 2025, 6:12 PM
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I think we could have a better coach and still have great culture. In fact I’m sure of it.
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Legend [7061]
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Sep 14, 2025, 7:48 PM
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Give me one name
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CU Guru [1548]
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Wah wah wah… dude shut up.
If you want to ride Dabos (blank)… then you go right ahead.
He’s paid 11 mill a year to win football games. Bottom line… some people spend thousands of dollars on this every year and deserve their moneys worth.
Nobody gives a s*it about grooming kids and blah blah blah… they ain’t kids anymore… they’re paid to play and perform and paid more money for a single season (12 games) than the majority of people are paid in their lifetime.
These kids wanted to get paid… they wanted a piece of the pie.. well you know what comes with that? Expectations and winning and that’s all that matters.
If Dabo wants to groom kids then he needs to retire and go coach at some Christian high school and he can groom all the kids he wants bc nobody will care then.
As long as he’s at Clemson making 11 mill a year… we expect to win and win big. Does that mean a national championship every year? Of course not… does it mean we should be on the cusp of the playoff every year? Absolutely bc he’s paid among the elite so we expect elite results.
Again… that doesn’t mean we have to win it all every year or even be in the playoff every year… but 3/4 years? You’re d@mn straight we should at least be in the conversation.
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Athletic Dir [1174]
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Sep 14, 2025, 6:31 PM
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We’ve been in the convo. We’ve won the league, been back to the playoff and were competitive.
The problem you’re facing is parity and the impact of $$$ on kids and their psyche. Yes you may want to treat them as adults but many of these kids come from poverty or single parent homes without a father figure. Also we have the highest rate of mental illness in this country we’ve had.
Recall DJU was one of the first with big time NIL…how did that work out performance wise? He’s set for life btw financially at least…
If you want to win at all costs just go be an fsu or lsu fan, you’ll figure out your free agent roster year by year and maybe it’ll be 10-2 or 2-10 depending on how they gel. But don’t sit here and pretend Dabo hasn’t had us in the mix because he won’t completely sell out on his values and believes in total player development.
Football will end for every one of these players one day.
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Re: Id still rather have Dabo
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Sep 14, 2025, 6:25 PM
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Saban made an unselfish decision to retire, rather than continue taking Alabama’s money, because he didn’t want to make the changes it would take to continue to succeed. He didn’t believe in the new model and knew he couldn’t give his best feeling the way he did.
I think Dabo kind of feels the same way. The difference is he doesn’t think he has to make any fundamental changes to be successful. He still believes his way can transcend the changes without having to change himself.
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Athletic Dir [1174]
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Sep 14, 2025, 6:35 PM
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Maybe. Some might say it’s selfish.
OG coaches get disgusted any time you bring up having to recruit kids in your locker room just to stay, as well as try to recruit new players as well.
I don’t blame Saban or Dabo. It’s the system, and some are putting wins above what’s best for players.
Sometimes I think a lot of this change came due to Bama and CU fatigue in the playoff, not just the Ed O’Bannon bs. But that’s a convo for another day.
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Re: Id still rather have Dabo
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Sep 14, 2025, 6:42 PM
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We (CU & ALA) were setting the bar during that time and the elite programs were not going to let that stand any longer than they had to. UGA went out and got Kirby for that very reason and they did not task him to worry about graduation rates. They wanted him to be very focused on one thing and one thing only… WINNING.
We can debate their priorities but it did change their trajectory from a football perspective.
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Sep 14, 2025, 6:47 PM
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Do you really thinks it’s selfish for a guy in his 70s, having coached for 50 years, and made all the money he will ever need, to want to retire and take his remaining time for himself and his family? I think his 27 years at Alabama and what he accomplished for them was not looked at as selfish when he stepped down.
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Sep 14, 2025, 6:57 PM
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I actually agree. Though he really does need to make wholesale changes offensively and with the portal. The game has changed and he's moving like molasses uphill.
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Same here. Dabo is the greatest coach in Clemson history and it's not close. Dabo is still winning at a high level even though they have slipped. Before Dabo we would have loved to be a top 15 program which Clemson is now. They were the ACC champs and a playoff team last year.
They still can be the conference champs this year and make the playoffs.
Clemson fans are spoiled.
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Troy is winning at a high level?
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Re: Id still rather have Dabo
Sep 14, 2025, 8:06 PM
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We’ve played three games.
Check back again in 6 weeks.
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Sep 14, 2025, 7:35 PM
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I agree with most everything you said. I do not think we will finish the regular season with 2 losses to answer your question.
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Re: Id still rather have Dabo
Sep 14, 2025, 8:26 PM
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Getting to ACC Championship game is already difficult with the loss to GA Tech.
We will probably lose at least one more ACC game; two losses in the conference will make it virtually impossible for us to get into the ACC Championship game. (GA Tech’s remaining ACC schedule is ridiculously weak. Miami has FSU as a reasonably chance if losing; even with Mario Cristobal as HC, Miami is not likely to lose to any of the other ACC teams with a pulse … Louisville at home, SMU on the road, Pitt on the road. FSU has Miami and Clemson as their only ACC opponents with a pulse.
Miami beats FSU, they’ll probably be 8-0 in the conference. In this case, GA Tech vs Miami is the likely ACC Championship game.
FSU beats Miami but loses to us is our only reasonable chance to get to ACC Championship game. (All of this is presumed in Ckemson not losing any more ACC games -&- beating S.Carolina soundly for ‘beauty contest’ points.) Even then, since Miami’s only other reasonable loss scenario is vs Florida (in which a loss would damage their ‘beauty contest’ points.)
Clemson will need to get dealt another inside strait … same as last year … to make the ACC Championship game.
To summarize, Clemson has essentially no shot at getting to ACC Championship game if we don’t win the remaining 9 games on our schedule. It’s hard to imagine us pulling that off.
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Sep 14, 2025, 7:42 PM
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I am happy that Dabo is Clemson’s coach.
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Wow. One guy actually gets it! Well said.
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Quit like Saban?
Sep 14, 2025, 7:54 PM
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The man is 73! He’s 18 years older than Dabo lol. Saban retired from coaching after working beyond the retirement age. There’s a big difference between Saban retiring and someone like Meyer who actually quit
As for who else I’d rather have it’s a moot point. Dabos buyout is too big and we aren’t going to attract someone else at his level anyways. The majority of people, myself included, criticizing the coaching staff simply want Dabo to make changes, mostly to the country club friends and family coaching plan, but we don’t want Dabo gone.
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Athletic Dir [1174]
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Re: Quit like Saban?
Sep 14, 2025, 8:29 PM
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Paterno coached longer.
Fine, say Saban, the best to ever do it, and still had the juice to do it…”opted out”. Surely nothing to do with the toxic climate (even though he admitted as much).
Feel better?
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One of best post I have read. If Dabo leaves it’s it is a move that could have years negative consequences on Clemson’s Football program.
Here are a few example of programs who pushed their current HC under the Bus !
Remember the ups and downs that Tenn had for about 15 to 20 years after running off Phil Fulmer. Tenn had more downs than ups and hired and fired several Head Coaches !
Take FSU who politely shoved Bobby Bowden out the door for gutter rat Jimbo Fisher. We watched Jimbo run FSU and Texas A & M into the ground. FSU went through a handful of HC’s until NIL and the TP along with lots of 💰and bending some rules to climb back in the polls.
SMU once a top national championship team got caught more than once with their hands in the cookie jar. They paid players a salary. It was ignorant of them to stop paying a player who suffered a severe injury. He went straight to NCAA. SMU was shut down for 2 years. They still have not fully recovered.
When rule bending Jimmy Johnson left Miami for Dallas it’s was only when NIL was implemented did they start to buy a possible quality team to get them competitive again. Time will tell.
I believe in Karma. Brian Kelly left ND for LSU with the promise of a bunch of NIL 💰. So Kelly went out and started buying a competitive team. He knew start the season with another opening loss could cost him his job. So he to bending the rules and handing out 💰💰💰 may help LSU. I predict BK will experience Karma sooner than later. Kelly knew ND would not allow his dirty tricks recruiting would not be allowed.
Now let’s look at Clemson. We currently have the winning HC Dabo Sweeney in Clemson History. Before all he$$ broke lose and demolished CF, Dabo was bringing in top dogs as Shaq Lawson put it. Dabo over time built an elite team winning 2 National Championships and playing in 4 consecutive NC games. We have owned the coots, Dabo has won approximately 8-10 ACC titles. Clemson was the Standard that all programs tried to duplicate.
Since NIL and the TP were legal it has been difficult for Clemson to recruit the level of talent as he did in the 20 teen years. Now Greed and losing the mother’s to that same greed as Terri Saban put it, has made it difficult for several teams to remain on top of CF unless HC’s are willing to Win at all cost.
Because the 💰💰 is now flowing like water into the players pockets, building a winner in today’s CF world is more difficult than ever. The Saban’s got out just in time. Bama and Clemson were the 2 teams that played for 3 or 4 NC’s and dominated CF. Now both teams are struggling because these HC’s refuse to Dance with the devil !!!
Do Clemson fans want a HC who is willing to Dance with the devil ??? Are you willing to Win at any cost ??? The count me out. I don’t want to win games like LSU, Miami, FSU or OSU !
When we were winning at an elite level Clemson was an environment of a Close Knit Family ! Now some are ready to throw Dabo under the bus. Don’t kid yourself recruits read this board to get the pulse of the fan base. The more Negativity the builds within Clemson could cost valuable talented recruits.
Personally, I believe in Dabo and I am “ All In “. Either way time doing things the right way we can achieve great success. But it may take another 2 or 3 years.
But if you think running Dabo out the door then be prepared to go through the consequences of years possibly a decade or two of Tommy West football. It may take a long time to get back to winning 10 or more games. It’s possible that We never make it back to that elite level that Dabo built from TB’s strong foundation. until NIL was let out of the bottle.
But if we are going to make back to the top of the mountain, I want to support Dabo and his philosophy.
Sometimes I feel like Noah as he built the Ark. You try to warn people based on their actions of the negative consequences ahead unless you get on the Ark.
Do we give Dabo the support he has earned and needs right now letting him know we are behind him, his coaches and the players or do we push them under the Bus ???
I have loved Clemson since I was a kid. It would tragic to bring in a HC who will eventually run Clemson into the ground. That may be a fall from which Clemson never recovers 🐅🐅🐅
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