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I wish Dabo would mandate vaccines for all the players and

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Aug 7, 2021, 8:54 PM

those around them. I am thankful for my mandated small pox, polio, tetanus, and other vaccinations.
"“You can’t walk around assaulting people just because you feel like it’s an important part of your self-expression,” Nicholas Bagley, a University of Michigan law professor, said in an interview. “And you can’t dump pollutants into a town’s drinking water just because you’d rather not pay for cleanup. By the same token, we require kids to get vaccinated for all sorts of illnesses before they go to public school. Otherwise, their bodies could be used as vectors to harm others.”

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Just here for the comments

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Aug 7, 2021, 9:04 PM

I wish Dabo would kick any fan to the curb who wanted to mandate life decisions on others

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Aug 7, 2021, 9:30 PM

Players are getting bones broken, ligaments torn, and possible brain damage, but a vaccine that tens of millions of Americans have gotten is a "life decision?"

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Re: I wish Dabo would mandate vaccines for all the players and

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Aug 7, 2021, 10:55 PM

Yes, it is a choice, not a mandate. Forcing anyone to take a shot that has not undergone clinical trials and is not approved by the FDA is reckless endangerment of their long term health. No one knows what the long term effects are going to be. And for what? To avoid a virus that has less than a 1% mortality rate? Even less than that for young, healthy people!

What is the panic and fear over Covid really about? It certainly isn’t anything like the bubonic plague nor is it pandemic worthy at this point. It is way past time to stop worrying about it. Just like the flu, some folks will succumb to it, but the vast majority will not. Darwinism at work. And guess what, new viruses are coming right behind this one too!

Get over this constant fear #### people!

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The FDA is soon to fully approve the vaccine.

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Aug 8, 2021, 10:00 AM

When that happens, will that affect your stance?

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Re: The FDA is soon to fully approve the vaccine.

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Aug 8, 2021, 2:03 PM

No it won’t. I am a practicing Internal Medicine physician. I personally know kids under 25 that have suffered lifelong consequences from the vaccine. A 25 year old lady I know suffered a heart attack from the vaccine. A 20 year distance runner from my small town suffered myocarditis from it. His ejection fraction is 20% and he will be affected for the rest of his life from taking the vaccine.

The risk isn’t zero, and it should be a personal decision.

If YOU got the vaccine YOU shouldn’t give two ##### what others decide.

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The vaccine put my wife in the hospital for three days

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Aug 8, 2021, 2:36 PM

she was out on the floor and I had to call 911 to take her to the hospital. The heart surgeon came to her room to evaluate her for open heart surgery. My wife is a nurse and said if the heart surgeon comes to your room to evaluate you, it is serious.

Things cleared up in a couple months, but really still a lot of unknown.

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Gosh, I’m so sorry.

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Aug 8, 2021, 3:09 PM

Glad she is feeling better.

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No one claimed that the vaccine is perfect.


Aug 8, 2021, 3:08 PM

But since you brought up risk, COVID has killed millions of people so far. The risk of the vaccine must be weighed against the risk of having a bad outcome from COVID.

I don’t think kids have any business getting the vaccine.

And as a result, your argument about people getting the vaccine not caring about those who don’t seems a bit too simplistic. What about kids who aren’t vaccinated? There are kids right now in pediatric ICUs with COVID. What about adults with autoimmune conditions who can’t get the vaccine? What about adults who got the vaccine and didn’t mount a sufficient immune response?

I wish it were as simple as those who want the vaccine can get it and those who don’t won’t, but there are consequences to those decisions which extend beyond the person making the decision.

Thank you for all that you do to care for patients.

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Re: No one claimed that the vaccine is perfect.


Aug 8, 2021, 10:30 PM

Last I checked, out of 600,000 US Covid related deaths, 33 of those were in the 17 and under age group. I suspect there were extenuating health issues in most of those.

Based on my observations, the complication rate in that age group not only doesn’t warrant vaccination, it could be argued that it would be unethical to force vaccinations.

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Re: No one claimed that the vaccine is perfect.


Aug 8, 2021, 10:36 PM

Sorryy, typo. 337 by 33.

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Aug 8, 2021, 10:37 PM

Big fingers on a phone. 337, not “33” in the 17 and under age group.

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Re: No one claimed that the vaccine is perfect.


Aug 9, 2021, 12:36 PM


But since you brought up risk, COVID has killed millions of people so far. The risk of the vaccine must be weighed against the risk of having a bad outcome from COVID.

I don’t think kids have any business getting the vaccine.

And as a result, your argument about people getting the vaccine not caring about those who don’t seems a bit too simplistic. What about kids who aren’t vaccinated? There are kids right now in pediatric ICUs with COVID. What about adults with autoimmune conditions who can’t get the vaccine? What about adults who got the vaccine and didn’t mount a sufficient immune response?

I wish it were as simple as those who want the vaccine can get it and those who don’t won’t, but there are consequences to those decisions which extend beyond the person making the decision.

Thank you for all that you do to care for patients.


Shilling a vaccine that is known to not have gone through the FDA approval process, that is of questionable value against the delta variant, and that has turned some of the vaccinated into asymptomatic super spreaders isnt rational.

Weighing those things against a disease that rarely has serious consequences for young, super-healthy athletes is frankly a False Dilemma

Let these young adults make their own health care decisions. The control freaks need to butt out and stay out.

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Everyone I know who have been vaccinated have had no


Aug 8, 2021, 3:56 PM

problems. This includes more than 100 of my best friends who have received the vaccine, and all with zero problems.

I have not heard of any of the issues you mention in your email. What state do you practice?

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well there you have it

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Aug 8, 2021, 3:58 PM

PROOF

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Aug 9, 2021, 12:23 PM

I can tell one thing about you;

You haven't lost anyone you love to COVID-19. Many of us aren't so lucky, but that's not Darwinism.

For that, I'm sincerely thankful. It's clear you likely already stay inside most of the time, so that's good, too.

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Aug 8, 2021, 8:02 AM

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Players are getting bones broken, ligaments torn, and possible brain damage, but a vaccine that tens of millions of Americans have gotten is a "life decision?"



Yes it’s a life decision as is playing football. They should not be related decisions except the lib overlords want control

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Aug 8, 2021, 8:02 AM

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Players are getting bones broken, ligaments torn, and possible brain damage, but a vaccine that tens of millions of Americans have gotten is a "life decision?"



Yes it’s a life decision as is playing football. They should not be related decisions except the lib overlords want control

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Aug 8, 2021, 8:02 AM

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Players are getting bones broken, ligaments torn, and possible brain damage, but a vaccine that tens of millions of Americans have gotten is a "life decision?"



Yes it’s a life decision as is playing football. They should not be related decisions except the lib overlords want control

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Aug 8, 2021, 8:02 AM

owensdj said:

Players are getting bones broken, ligaments torn, and possible brain damage, but a vaccine that tens of millions of Americans have gotten is a "life decision?"



Yes it’s a life decision as is playing football. They should not be related decisions except the lib overlords want control

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"... requirements to get inoculations have been around since

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Aug 7, 2021, 9:08 PM

"The virtual flag-waving, appeals to personal liberty, and warnings about “fascism” suggest there is something fundamentally un-American about vaccine mandates. But requirements to get inoculations have been around since the very first days of the republic, claiming broad support and withstanding legal challenges."

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Aug 7, 2021, 9:09 PM

Link from 250 years ago or you will clearly be a bald two-faced lier

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Here You Go

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https://www.history.com/news/smallpox-vaccine-supreme-court


"Justice John Marshall Harlan acknowledged the fundamental importance of personal freedom, but also recognized that 'the rights of the individual in respect of his liberty may at times, under the pressure of great dangers, be subjected to such restraint, to be enforced by reasonable regulations, as the safety of the general public may demand.'"

"The government had the authority to pass laws that restricted individual liberty, if those restrictions—including the punishment for violating them—were found by the Court to be a reasonable means for achieving a public good."

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Aug 7, 2021, 10:57 PM

Only if FDA proved after clinical trial testing has been done… ?????

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Aug 7, 2021, 9:11 PM

Under what authority could he do that? Asking for everyone with their popcorn ready.

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Aug 7, 2021, 9:24 PM

"Under what authority could he do that? Asking for everyone with their popcorn ready."

His authority as Head Coach of the football team, maybe? He makes plenty of rules for the players. They can either accept them or go somewhere else. It's the same with vaccines.

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Aug 7, 2021, 9:29 PM

??, you didn’t disappoint with that response. I think you should enjoy this joke as long as possible if you are this inebriated or if you are this uneducated.

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Aug 7, 2021, 11:04 PM

If I had a son who was playing for any coach that tried that invasion of his on health and well being, I would sue the university and withdraw him from the school.

You ready to lose 25-50% of your players, start pulling that crap and all hell will break loose.

No one knows the long term health effect of the shot on young healthy males. It as not had clinical trials and is not approved by the FDA! And for what reason is everyone’s so worked up to get it? To avoid a virus that has less than 1% morbidity rate? Hell, never got this freaked out over the flu!

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I’m not arguing for mandatory vaccines

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Aug 8, 2021, 10:04 AM

but if we are honest, it’s pretty clear that the nature of college football practice, college weight training, playing in games, and other things that these guys are asked/expected to do are invasions of their health and well-being.

If the health and well-being of these young men were being prioritized, we wouldn’t have college football as we know it.

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It cost us everything


Aug 9, 2021, 12:26 PM

Ironically, you could argue COVID-19 cost THIS Clemson Tigers team everything, from the Heisman to a loss in the most-watched ACC game in history & all the way up to the national title itself.

That doesn't mean it shouldn't be your right to wait a few decades until there's enough data to feel like this particular vaccine is safe, but it's hard to ignore the suggestion that it didn't affect anyone here.

Also, we've lost family. I know you don't care about losing 9 million people in this country alone, but to me that's worth fighting for to prevent (just kidding, nobody's fighting, it's literally washing your hands or getting a pin prick).

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Could he make it mandatory that they vote for Trump? I mean,

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Aug 8, 2021, 10:07 AM

as head coach, if you want to play for Clemson, you must vote for Trump. Correct?. Or how about this,if you are gay, you must undergo counseling. I mean, as head coach, he could require that, right? Oh, or how about this, YOU MUST GO TO CHAPEL EVERY SUNDAY....could he do that? I mean, as head coach, of course...

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well-known conservative judges and libertarians support....

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Aug 7, 2021, 9:11 PM

"This isn’t because officials or judges are ignoring freedom. It’s because they believe vaccination is a key to securing it. In fact, among those who support vaccine requirements today are some well-known conservative judges and libertarian scholars ? in other words, precisely the sort of people you would expect to protest government overreach most vociferously."

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Re: well-known conservative judges and libertarians support....

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Aug 7, 2021, 11:13 PM

Remember when Kamala vowed not to take any shot developed under the Trump admin? Well, here we are. This was developed under the Trump admin in a rush job. No clinical trials and not approved by the FDA. No one knows the long term effect on younger populations. Why would a young healthy person take such an unknown risk when even the vaccinated still get Covid!

And now we know Covid has no more of a morbidity rate than the flu. All this fear mongering is senseless and is being hyped up for control reasons. Enough! No more hyping up of Covid. It just is nature doing what nature will do. This won’t be the last virus to come along. More are surely on their way. Natural selection is a #####. Deal with it!

If the vaccine works then why do you care if I don’t take it. If it doesn’t work, then why take it?

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Not many facts there

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Aug 8, 2021, 9:33 AM

The mRNA vaccines pre-existed Trump. All they had to do was insert the right protein after the Chinese published the sequence. What operation warp speed did was lower barriers to the clinical trials in order to get to FDA approval faster. Then the FDA approved them, on an emergency use basis. The same emergency use reason that allowed Trump to get the monoclonal antibody treatment when he was in bad shape from covid.

History is going to judge all of you covid deniers and anti-vaxxers in a pretty harsh light. The "stupid" generation, we are going to call you.

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Again, you’re entitled to your own opinions

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Aug 8, 2021, 10:06 AM

but you aren’t entitled to your own facts.

Lots of lies and half-truths in your post.

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Re: well-known conservative judges and libertarians support....


Aug 8, 2021, 2:54 AM

If we are going to get political, the U.S. lost so many freedoms in the 20th century with the Fed, the IRS and punch-drunk free spending politicians. Now the interest and resulting debt is becoming terminal, and student & personal debt levels are just two of the hundreds of outcomes with a long- term medical impact.

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your freedom doesn’t include the freedom to endanger others

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A basic justification for vaccine mandates is that your freedom doesn’t include the freedom to endanger the rest of your community. The principle is a bedrock of democratic philosophy and the American legal tradition, with courts applying it to a variety of contexts including public health.

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Indiana U. has a vaccination requirement for its students


Aug 7, 2021, 9:17 PM

new COVID-19 vaccine requirement for students at Indiana University.

The author of that ruling, Frank Easterbrook, is a well-respected conservative first put on the bench by President Ronald Reagan. In the opinion, Easterbrook argued that the Indiana University requirement was actually less onerous than the old Massachusetts requirement, because it applied only to people who are choosing to enroll at the university.

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Re: your freedom doesn’t include the freedom to endanger others

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Aug 7, 2021, 11:17 PM

Then you don’t believe in vaccinations. Unvaccinated people don’t endanger vaccinated people.

Your logic is incredibly flawed. If you are scared of an unvaccinated person it means you don’t think the vaccine works.

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The vaccine clearly works.

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Aug 8, 2021, 10:11 AM

Dramatic reduction in symptomatic disease, hospitalization, and death.

That doesn’t mean that it works 100% of the time.

Occasionally, individuals don’t respond to the vaccine as we expected. There are still instances where someone who is vaccinated gets Covid (breakthrough infection) and can spread it to others. It’s not common, but it happens.

This notion that the vaccine doesn’t work unless it works 100% of the time is ridiculous. That’s like saying that Dabo isn’t a good coach unless he wins every game.

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nice try,


Aug 8, 2021, 5:46 PM

i am vaccinated. The unvaccinated are not a threat to me, but a threat to each other,and a threat to our hospital system ,and a threat to those who need an icu bed for a heart attack or whatever but cant get the bed because an unvaccinated covid patient is occupying it ...but other than that, the covid vaccine will kill us all! lol

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Aug 8, 2021, 6:23 PM

Wrong again. Unvaccinated people permit variants to develop that the vaccine may not combat.

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The unvaccinated don't endanger the vaccinated.***


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I really think MSNBC is telling these guys something different


Aug 8, 2021, 9:55 AM

They are out of their mind with culling more people. It’s very much like some new religion or cult. They can’t stand it if you’re not a believer.

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Aug 8, 2021, 6:24 PM

Wrong. Unvaccinated people permit variants to develop that the vaccine may not combat.

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Re: I wish Dabo would mandate vaccines for all the players and

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Aug 7, 2021, 9:22 PM

Dabo doesn’t have that kind of authority you clown…you know, considering he’s not a fascist and what not…it’s up to the university administration

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Exactly. Some people here think Dabo runs the university.

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Aug 8, 2021, 10:19 AM

And if he doesn’t, they think he should. LOL!

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A liberaterian argument for mandatory vacs. by Jos. Brennan

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Aug 7, 2021, 9:23 PM

“In my view, people have the right to harm themselves by making bad choices,” Brennan said. “This is about protecting others from the undue risk of harm you impose upon them by being unvaccinated. The lower the personal costs/risks of the vaccine ? and the higher the risk that the unvaccinated impose upon others ? the stronger the case is for mandating vaccines.”

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Aug 8, 2021, 10:47 PM

And, REMEMBER, this is all over a virus no worse than flu with a recovery rate of 99.9%.

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Curious, is Professor Bagley also calling for vaccinating...

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Aug 7, 2021, 9:23 PM

...all the illegal invaders pouring over our southern border? Until he does, and other liberal progressives like him do as well, I'll err on the side of not listening to one word he utters.

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Re: Curious, is Professor Bagley also calling for vaccinating...

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Aug 7, 2021, 9:37 PM

According to bidens comments on Friday, he stated all illegals will be vaccinated as they vote In November 2022. There is not a day that goes by I’m not proud I voted for him 4 times in Georgia last November

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Understand, at least 60% of the country knows elections are

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Aug 7, 2021, 11:20 PM

Rigged and no longer viable after this last lection. And the vast majority of those are also pro 2nd Amendment. If voting is not secured with tight voter ID requirements where the chain of custody of every vote can be audited/verified, don’t be surprised what will happen next.

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Flagged to DHS***


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Precisely! ????***


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those around them. I am thankful for my mandated small pox, polio, tetanus, and other vaccinations.
"“You can’t walk around assaulting people just because you feel like it’s an important part of your self-expression,” Nicholas Bagley, a University of Michigan law professor, said in an interview. “And you can’t dump pollutants into a town’s drinking water just because you’d rather not pay for cleanup. By the same token, we require kids to get vaccinated for all sorts of illnesses before they go to public school. Otherwise, their bodies could be used as vectors to harm others.”


every one of those has been approved by the fda

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Re: I wish Dabo would mandate vaccines for all the players and

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Aug 7, 2021, 9:40 PM

Not only that, but once you get the polio vaccine, you don’t still get and spread polio.

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I know, ain't that a crazy little factoid?

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Aug 7, 2021, 9:45 PM

Because this "vaccine" does neither.

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Re: I wish Dabo would mandate vaccines for all the players and

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Aug 7, 2021, 9:43 PM

Isn’t it weird that all the vaccines you just mentioned stop you from getting and spreading said diseases

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Re: I wish Dabo would mandate vaccines for all the players and

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Aug 7, 2021, 9:56 PM

Why don't you just worry about yourself.

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Re: I wish Dabo would mandate vaccines for all the players and

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Aug 8, 2021, 12:23 AM

Why don't you just worry about yourself AND also worry about others?

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Asking people to worry about others is basically outing yourself


Aug 8, 2021, 3:13 PM

as a communist. Sadly, people today don’t want to hear about compassion for their fellow man.

Nope, it’s all about ME ME ME, and don’t try to tell me otherwise or it’s a huge conspiracy to control us or manipulate us.

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Re: I wish Dabo would mandate vaccines for all the players and


Aug 7, 2021, 10:01 PM

It is odd that a vaccine contains a microorganism or virus in a a weakened, live or killed state or proteins or toxins from the organism.

So which one is mRNA- weakened, live, killed, protein, or toxin?
Maybe you smarter people can help me understand this.
From what I have read- this is the first time this has been used.

it is genetically made. Like I said in the past- get it or don't get it- it is up to you.
You have to live with what you decide.

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Dude ask your doctor but as a bio teacher I can tell you...

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Aug 8, 2021, 2:36 AM

development of mRNA vaccines has been in development for decades.

This website can give you a timeline: https://cihr-irsc.gc.ca/e/52424.html


All it does is send the "code" to let your cells know how to fight Covid. It does NOT change your DNA in the cells permanently or anything like that.

mRNA is sometimes called "messenger RNA" because that's basically what it does (just trying to oversimplify things).

I beg you to talk to a doctor you trust THEN make a decision and don't listen to me or anyone else on Tigernet. it's gotten political for some stupid reason when it shouldn't be.

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Re: Dude ask your doctor but as a bio teacher I can tell you...


Aug 8, 2021, 9:07 AM

The Enemy has been planning this for ages.... now the time is at hand.

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Force people to get an unapproved, non-clinically tested vax

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Aug 7, 2021, 10:45 PM

That apparently doesn’t even work but could cause permanent side effects for otherwise healthy people?

Last I checked, this is a free country where people have the right to pursue their happiness. Once there’s been enough time passed with this live testing they are doing now and there can be clinical study results formulated, then we can talk about the efficacy of the shot. Until then, people shan’t be forced to be medical guinea pigs like they are in a nazi prison camp. It is unconstitutional.


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Pure misunderstanding of the real world***


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Dude you’re just a pure troll. You do way more harm to your


Aug 8, 2021, 10:26 AM

Side of the argument than good.

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I think it would be hard to do that, since it isn't FDA


Aug 7, 2021, 11:16 PM

approved yet. Even if it were, I doubt Dabo would make that call, but leave it up to the Clemson administration.

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Re: I wish Dabo would mandate vaccines for all the players and

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Aug 8, 2021, 12:07 AM

We’ve banned smoking inside restaurants in most places in the US and this is due to the harm that smoking does to others.

It might take a couple decades but at some point in time we will arrive at a point where we also ostracize anti vaxers, due to the harm their ignorance does to others.

By the way, if you’re going to tell me that a non-vaccinated person cannot harm a vaccinated person, save your comment, go get a hobby, and please stay home.

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Aug 8, 2021, 12:49 AM

I will add to the popcorn consumption.
So let's see - I smoke (put something in my body that may adversely impact you) - I'm bad.
But - You take a shot (put something in your body that may adversely impact you, me, your kids, everyone you interact with forever) - you are good.
Really? And please explain how an unvaccinated person can harm a vaccinated person? If the vaccine is truly a vaccine and not just a "shot" - then you are perfect. How many years of research before it was determined secondary smoke was bad? How many years before it's discovered hurried covid shot is bad? Gullible much?

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Aug 8, 2021, 12:56 AM

Hey I’m really bad at playing cards. Would you like to play cards for money?

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Aug 8, 2021, 1:00 AM

If you think you win every time because you took a shot... - absolutely!

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Re: I wish Dabo would mandate vaccines for all the players and

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Aug 8, 2021, 12:53 AM

But shouldn’t we all be able to make our own choice about ………
- Not wearing a seat belt
- not wearing a mask
- not wearing a motorcycle helmet
- smoking in the office
- not getting vaccinated
Don’t infringe on our freedom. Americans have the right to make our own choices, even if those choices are detrimental to others. Oh, but wait, now I’m not sure if I’m making sense. ### am I talking about? :)

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Aug 8, 2021, 12:55 AM

Yeah and other illnesses don't have a survival rate of 99.somthing either. It's not my job to keep you safe, it's your job. If you're scared you may catch something then it's your job to buy your own hazmat suit and wear it. That's the way it is in a free country. If you're vaccinated and you wear a new N95 mask everyday and you wear new latex gloves everyday you have nothing to worry about but you do not have the right to push people who don't to make you feel better.

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Aug 8, 2021, 1:06 AM

Do u have a right to distribute second hand smoke / drive drunk / endanger others?
No you do not. After this long of a global pandemic if you don’t understand the many ways an unvaccinated person DOES endanger vaccinated AND unvaccinated people, then you never will and I’m certainly not going to attempt to explain it to you by answering the dumbest question of 2021, which is ……. “Tell me how an unvaccinated person endangers a vaccinated person.” Good luck. Darwin says hello and …….. goodbeye. :)

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Aug 8, 2021, 1:21 AM

Multiple posts and the statement dumbest of 2021 with the quote -
"Good luck. Darwin says hello and …….. goodbeye."
-1 for spelling genius
Really makes me believe your authority on shot effectiveness. Thanks Doc.

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Aug 8, 2021, 1:06 AM

Do u have a right to distribute second hand smoke / drive drunk / endanger others?
No you do not. After this long of a global pandemic if you don’t understand the many ways an unvaccinated person DOES endanger vaccinated AND unvaccinated people, then you never will and I’m certainly not going to attempt to explain it to you by answering the dumbest question of 2021, which is ……. “Tell me how an unvaccinated person endangers a vaccinated person.” Good luck. Darwin says hello and …….. goodbeye. :)

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Aug 8, 2021, 1:06 AM

Do u have a right to distribute second hand smoke / drive drunk / endanger others?
No you do not. After this long of a global pandemic if you don’t understand the many ways an unvaccinated person DOES endanger vaccinated AND unvaccinated people, then you never will and I’m certainly not going to attempt to explain it to you by answering the dumbest question of 2021, which is ……. “Tell me how an unvaccinated person endangers a vaccinated person.” Good luck. Darwin says hello and …….. goodbeye. :)

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Aug 8, 2021, 1:06 AM

Do u have a right to distribute second hand smoke / drive drunk / endanger others?
No you do not. After this long of a global pandemic if you don’t understand the many ways an unvaccinated person DOES endanger vaccinated AND unvaccinated people, then you never will and I’m certainly not going to attempt to explain it to you by answering the dumbest question of 2021, which is ……. “Tell me how an unvaccinated person endangers a vaccinated person.” Good luck. Darwin says hello and …….. goodbeye. :)

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Aug 8, 2021, 1:10 AM

Back to OP. Dabo is no dummy. He has clearly stated he and staff are encouraging the players and staff to get vaccinated. Hopefully all players that are medically able to receive the vaccine will do so.

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Aug 8, 2021, 8:17 AM

I am all for Dabo encouraging these young men to take the vaccine. Clemson even has the resources to do some of the research to answer questions that they may have. However, they have little chance of being hospitalized from the disease, virtually no chance of dying from the disease, and likely a much longer future than I do to be concerned about long term side effects. Their risk versus reward for taking this vaccine certainly warrants them taking a deeper look and not taking it blindly.

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Aug 8, 2021, 1:10 AM

Back to OP. Dabo is no dummy. He has clearly stated he and staff are encouraging the players and staff to get vaccinated. Hopefully all players that are medically able to receive the vaccine will do so.

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I'm just going to say that you are unfortunately unaware

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Aug 8, 2021, 1:28 AM

that the "required" childhood vaccinations are only "required" if you do not opt-out of them for your children. There are a couple of exemptions that allow the opt-out... My oldest received about half of them before I learned about the exemptions. One of my sons will have never had an inoculation, and will be a ball player at Clemson in a few years having never experienced rubella, chicken pox or any of the other childhood issues that the inoculations are said to prevent...

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Aug 8, 2021, 8:12 AM

I’m aware of the exemptions and most people that have kids are aware of the exemptions.

Are u suggesting that exemptions tilt the odds of success in favor of one who chooses to not get vaccinated?

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I simply gave my thoughts on the


Aug 9, 2021, 12:20 PM

ability to choose not to get the vaccine as it relates to choosing not to get the childhood inoculations...

Success rate is 100% based on the individual reaction and ability to interact with the vaccine/inoculation for its intended purpose of protection.

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UH-OH - this won't end good. Both sides will be highly

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Aug 8, 2021, 7:55 AM

triggered before this one is over....

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Aug 8, 2021, 8:26 AM

Sounds like a great plan we start mandating that people no longer do anything that is harmful to themself or others and everybody will be happier and better off. I think we need a lot more mandates to end the division in our nation and maybe everyone will starting thinking and acting like me, sounds like something Hitler would say right? BTW, Clemson football is 27 days away can we please mandate that we talk about that?

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Aug 8, 2021, 8:37 AM

It’s all about using common sense to evaluate probabilities.

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I don't. It is their choice, regardless of how it affects


Aug 8, 2021, 8:42 AM

the rest of us.

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My Body.....

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Aug 8, 2021, 8:42 AM

My Choice! My Body, My Choice!.....or is that just another hypocritical message from the left?

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Aug 8, 2021, 8:56 AM

That’s correct, and it sounds like with respect to vaccine, I’m pro life and you’re pro choice.

https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/the-origin-of-species--special-collectors-edition-with-an-introduction-by-charles-darwin/28567882/item/26753758/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIi9ujpryh8gIVl2tvBB0tFQSKEAQYBCABEgIL3PD_BwE#idiq=26753758&edition=14504943

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Aug 8, 2021, 9:02 AM

Just pointing out the hypocrisy of the position, which you seem to be embracing.

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Aug 8, 2021, 9:09 AM

So r u pro choice or pro life?

Should people have the choice to smoke on a plane and provide second hand smoke to nearby third parties? Of course not.

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Aug 8, 2021, 9:18 AM

Really, That's your argument?

Smoking can be paused by an individual, an inconvenience. The vaccine is a permanent action to someone's body.

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Aug 8, 2021, 2:25 PM

Oh, my mistake, I didn’t know u could pause the effects of smoking, I stand corrected, second hand smoke must not be detrimental to others, I’ll fire up a fat one when I board planes next week.

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Aug 8, 2021, 3:18 PM

No problem, you seem to make a lot of mistakes or being deliberately obtuse. Guess you don't understand what "pause" means. Well to help explain, it's pausing your smoking habits for a period of time or not smoking in an airport, a practice that smokers have been doing for a long time.

Have you flown in the last 30 years?

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Aug 8, 2021, 8:49 AM

I bet you want to put the complete well being of Americans in the governments hands as well, you probably want them to decide what’s best for us. Well in that case the government gets to decide what is and isn’t important for you, and I don’t agree with the government making that decision for me. You probably want socialism or communism in this country as well, you’re probably one of those that are constantly complaining about capitalism while you tweet from an iPhone and sip on a Starbucks.

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Aug 8, 2021, 9:04 AM

You would lose that bet. Thanks for confirming your poor ability to assess odds.

You have been conned by somebody and I would bet it was Fox News. I’ve never suggested any of the socialist nonsense you’re rambling about.

Taking or not taking the vaccine is 100% based on one’s ability to assess odds. If you base your decision on something else, like the Ingram Angle, you’re getting the wrong of Darwin’s deal and it’s self inflicted. Good luck.

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Aug 8, 2021, 9:15 AM

Where did I ever state I haven't been vaccinated? Your reading comprehension needs some work. Once again, I'm pointing out hypocrisy of a message, which you have continued to be offended by. You also seem to be offended by Fox News which came out of left field....Hmmm.

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I have been vacinated too, albeit with apprehensions. But,

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Aug 8, 2021, 9:36 AM

either it works or it doesn't. if you don't want to get it, and you get sick, that is on you.

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Aug 8, 2021, 9:36 AM

“Taking the vaccine should be 100% based on ones ability to assess the odds” is what you said. Yet you’re for “Mandatory” (Forced) Vaccinations from what the first poster of this thread posted. Maybe I’m misunderstanding something here. I may be alone in this but I don’t want nor trust our government to decide what is not only best for me but also what I “mandatorily” have to do because of what they think is best for me or whatever agenda they have. That’s not freedom.

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it will be mandated by the school to attend in-person class


Aug 8, 2021, 9:22 AM

Along with every other school of consequence, they are waiting on licensure (or what the amateurs call "full approval").

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Aug 8, 2021, 9:58 AM

I wish we would leave the vaccine debate to the experts and off of Clemson football forums. It’s divisive and exhausting!

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If they’re dumb enough not to get it, F ‘em.


Aug 8, 2021, 2:52 PM

Can’t count on Dabo to hand out Darwin Awards at the team banquet, though.

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Aug 8, 2021, 3:01 PM

Yup, because young healthy athletes are just dropping like flies huh?

Brilliant.

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Aug 8, 2021, 4:03 PM


Yup, because young healthy athletes are just dropping like flies huh?

Brilliant.


You shld pay more attention. The new Delta carianr from India is much more communicable and deadly. (An ICU Doc said that most of the new ICU patients that enter the ICU in poor health die within 8 to 10 days; the avg ICU death march in 2020 took 38 days.)
And while the original variant in 2020, in the US, mainly attacked older people and very few children, the Delta variant sees everyone, of all ages, as a free meal. Many children, teenagers, 20-sometings, and 30 to 50 y.o.s are getting sicker and dying. While most people 60 and up are not getting very sick since they have been vaccinated.
Gamble without the vax, if you want, and good luck.
But you really shld do your part to help yourself, the world population, the U.S., your family, co-workers, and people at cash registers. Too bad you're not patriotic or benevolent.

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Aug 8, 2021, 4:25 PM

Yeah I agree, we should definitely force people to have an expiremental medical procedure that does not even protect you from getting virus with a massive 0.27% death rate. That rate is essentially 0% death rate amongst 19-23 yr old athletes.

Even though 99% of the people in the hospitals for It have already been vaccinated.

But let’s blame it on the unvaxxed because that’s what the media says, which is paid for by the pharmaceutical companies.

Oh, and the pharmaceutical companies have zero liability if you get a bizarre neurological disease like Gillian Bare or MS or Cardiomyopathy like 1 million + people who currently have adverse reactions.

Sounds like a great idea. What could go wrong?

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I have a feeling they will be mandated by the school once it is officially approved by the FDA.


Aug 8, 2021, 4:32 PM

I remember having to get additional vaccinations before attending. Right or wrong....just what I think will happen.

My work is now going to impose weekly covid tests if you are not vaccinated.

Fun times!

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Aug 8, 2021, 10:47 PM

And, REMEMBER, this is all over a virus no worse than flu with a recovery rate of 99.9%.

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Aug 8, 2021, 11:31 PM

Dr. Ryan Cole is a Mayo-trained physician who has seen over 350,000 patients in his career. He also serves as the CEO of Cole Diagnostics, which has processed over 100,000 Coronavirus tests. Dr. Cole gave an alarming presentation that merits consideration:

https://rumble.com/vkopys-a-pathologist-summary-of-what-these-jabs-do-to-the-brain-and-other-organs.html




In response to criticism for his position, Dr. Cole wrote:

“I am concerned about the lack of long term safety data, because this vaccine is simply too new. We have never tried an mRNA vaccine in humans before. I am concerned about the implications of injection of foreign, synthetic mRNA and the antibody reaction which cannot be reversed. It concerns me that large numbers of individuals are being essentially enrolled in a long term phase III clinical trial for the vaccine without being fully informed of this, with no ability for recompense if injured or in case of death. I am concerned by the number of adverse event and deaths that have been reported in correlation with this vaccine administration.”

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Aug 9, 2021, 6:26 AM

I’m still amazed at how many in the medical community reject the risks, reject natural immunity post covid, and reject an individuals right to choose. I’ve had covid , have natural immunity and will not be subjected to a vaccine I simply do not need.

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I have had Covid same as you, have tested for antibodies


Aug 9, 2021, 12:35 PM

and they are still active, but do not discount that a breakthrough infection can happen. I know several people personally who have had second infections, some who said the first was worse that the second but also some who said the second was worse than the first.

Get an antibodies test done, i'm going every three months but still keeping my distance and masking up indoors or in close proximity to anyone who is not of my household. I was pretty much asymptomatic and two of my children tested positive (15 & 13) and they had ZERO symptoms. We're blessed in that regard because I lost an Aunt and a few friends from high school after they had Covid infections.

There are still many unknowns about this, vaccinated or not, that I'm doing my best to vet as much info as possible... my body, my choice all the while being considerate of how my choice may affect others...

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Aug 9, 2021, 6:43 AM

And when DJ, Breese, Ross, Skalsi and Shipley decide not to play because they don't want the vaccine you'll be the first lil p**sy crying.

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