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I think Neff just told Dabo to start using the portal
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I think Neff just told Dabo to start using the portal

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Apr 18, 2022, 9:58 AM

He gets it.

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Pretty sure the track record shows that Dabo “gets it”

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Apr 18, 2022, 10:10 AM

Neff has no track record, other than learning from DRad and giving us a bunch of corporate buzz words.

I’d say he needs to let Dabo be Dabo, or he’ll be doing a football coaching search from his “chair” that he likes to talk so much about.

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Dabo is gonna ‘Dabo’ but…

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Apr 18, 2022, 10:14 AM

He has to know that we are losing ground here. I think he and Neff are closer to being aligned than it may seem. Dabo ain’t going anywhere.

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Where are we losing ground?***

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Apr 18, 2022, 10:38 AM



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Re: Where are we losing ground?***

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Apr 18, 2022, 10:40 AM

Who were the main players that beat us in the last 2 playoff appearances we have had?

Dabo is the man, and should be credited with building our program to where it is today. That said, he is dead wrong on the portal, and it's putting our team at a disadvantage.

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What’s his stance on the portal?***

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Apr 18, 2022, 10:52 AM



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"I've played multiple sports and would bet any amount that I'm still more athletic than you at this present time...."


BO aLl I kNoW iS wE oNly Wun 10 GamES laSt yEar an

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Apr 18, 2022, 10:55 AM

iT wuZ A TRAnEReCk!!!!!!!!!!!!

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bO you right! wE wUd hAve wUn a nAtIonAl chAmpeEnsHip

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Apr 18, 2022, 11:01 AM

iF wE haD suM of tHeM pOrtaL plAyErS lAsT yeEr. ThEm portal kiDz aRe reAlLy gOod aND tHaT's wHy theY tRanSfEr!

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Exactly.***

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Apr 18, 2022, 11:04 AM



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"I've played multiple sports and would bet any amount that I'm still more athletic than you at this present time...."


He has said multiple times that the locker room is his

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Apr 18, 2022, 12:28 PM

portal, maybe you missed it...I would call that a stance

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Yes, go on…***

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Apr 18, 2022, 12:37 PM



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"I've played multiple sports and would bet any amount that I'm still more athletic than you at this present time...."


And that’s wrong. There are good players in the portal

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Apr 19, 2022, 8:03 AM

that can build depth.

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There's something in these hills.


Re: What’s his stance on the portal?***

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Apr 18, 2022, 4:45 PM

His stance is not using the portal enough to stay competitive with elite teams.

If Ohio state didn't have Justin fields or Trey sermon, they probably wouldn't have even in the playoff.

If LSU didn't have burrow and others, they wouldn't have beaten us.

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And Burrow came from the portal?***

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Apr 18, 2022, 5:02 PM



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"I've played multiple sports and would bet any amount that I'm still more athletic than you at this present time...."


Re: And Burrow came from the portal?***


Apr 19, 2022, 9:18 AM





I never know if you are trolling or not. A transfer before the portal is the same as a transfer now. LSU assembled possibly the r greatest offense of all time from transfers.

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And that LSU team is the team you are suggesting…

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Apr 19, 2022, 9:32 AM

we emulate?

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"I've played multiple sports and would bet any amount that I'm still more athletic than you at this present time...."


He's not wrong and we're not at any disadvantage.

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Apr 18, 2022, 10:56 AM

Just because Brad builds essentially his entire roster with transfers, that doesn't mean any other coach should. It doesn't create any advantage at all.

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Re: He's not wrong and we're not at any disadvantage.


Apr 18, 2022, 8:42 PM

Right. How’s that workout for brad. Our basketball team is putrid.

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You're talking about Joe Burrow and Justin Fields?

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Apr 18, 2022, 11:03 AM

So you're saying we should have had a plan to have a starting QB from the portal, and that would have changed our horrible 10-win season?

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He's talking about us losing to LSU and OSU...

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Apr 18, 2022, 11:07 AM

Neither of which made the playoffs since the respective seasons they beat us, and one of which is currently in an NCAA investigation.

We should do what they do.




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"I've played multiple sports and would bet any amount that I'm still more athletic than you at this present time...."


Thanks for explaining that to him.

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Apr 18, 2022, 1:12 PM

He was never getting there without a lot of help.

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Apr 18, 2022, 11:26 AM

stop trying.


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I for one am glad you are stopping. You are one of the most ignorant posters ever. You obviously think very highly of your own opinion, unlike the rest of us - RockHillTiger


Judge Keller talking points for $1000 Alex

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Apr 18, 2022, 1:13 PM

Your feathers are showing. Stick to basketball.

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Exactly? How have we lost any ground??

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Apr 18, 2022, 10:54 AM

There is entirely too much gnashing of teeth amongst some fans who seem to think the elite teams are winning games because of "the portal". Nobody has increased their stature because of any portal players.

And too, like Dabo has said numerous times, we will use the portal if we have to use it, otherwise we won't. We lost a few guys in the portal, but they weren't starters. We're not going to replace backup players via the portal, and will focus on recruiting and development. Nobody is signing portal players to hedge against possible injuries, and portal kids aren't in the portal to become backup players at a new school.

We will never sign kids out of the portal just to sign them, and we will never sign anyone out of there just as an insurance policy against someome getting hurt. End of story.

Regardless, there was no way to plan for last years rash of injuries. Don't try to tell me we knew DJ was going to regress, and we should have signed a portal QB (who again, isn't moving to be a backup). Don't tell we should have signed offensive lineman because we anticipated running 7 different starting lineups out there due to injury. Don't tell me could have found backup WRs because by the end of the year we would need to start two walk-ons due to injury.

If Dabo feels we must have a potential starter in any position, then he will get one. Otherwise we will stick with recruiting and development, and move up players in the event of injuries.

Last year was an anomaly. We're not going to change our philosophy simply trying to plan on injuries and telling portal kids they'll have to sit unless there's an injury.

Neff obviously didn't tell Dabo he'd better sign portal kids. And we won't, unless there is an absolute need.

Folks are going to have to get used to it. No sense complaining on tigernet.

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Didn't we just finish 3rd in the Atlantic?***

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Apr 18, 2022, 12:24 PM



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Apr 18, 2022, 1:38 PM

Yeah, finished 3rd with 1/4 of the team injured during the season and no transfers are allowed in during the season to replace them. And, you can't over sign the number of scholarships allowed as a contingency plan against injuries.

Anyway, Dabo is not going to take a transfer equal or lesser to a player he recruited and ultimately send that player into the portal because of breaking a trust and promise.

At this point, Neff making demands on Dabo like that will only end up with a new AD in a short period of time


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Are you honestly blaming injuries for our losses last year?

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Apr 18, 2022, 2:36 PM

I think that's a copout.

I am confident in saying that the talent level of the players we had in the game against both NC State and Pitt last year was far superior to our opponents, despite any injuries we had.

We had no business struggling like we did last year, period.

Our QB had the lowest QB rating in the ACC, and one of the lowest in FBS. We had receivers running the wrong routes and dropping passes with regularity. We had offensive linemen who couldn't block consistently. Those weren't talent issues, those were coaching issues.

Again, if these were players lacking in talent, you might have an excuse. If they were playing against superstar opponents and getting outplayed, you might have an excuse. But that wasn't the case.

I think the frustration many people here have about Dabo's stance is that he says he is open to using the portal, but continues to dig his heels in by saying that he will only do it as a last resort. Okay, that's fine, but we've certainly lost plenty of players to transfer and we seemingly aren't replacing them via development or in recruiting. That's a problem.

I'm not convinced that no one in the portal is good enough to get meaningful playing time for us, and thus make a difference in the product on the field. If they aren't good enough to contribute to our program, why are they good enough to contribute at places like Alabama, Ohio State, Oklahoma, etc.?

Finally, Neff is the athletic director. He is Dabo's boss. He is allowed to let Dabo know what his expectations are. This notion that everyone is supposed to bow to Dabo is ridiculous. Not only is that not how this works, but it's also not what Dabo would want. He wants an AD who respects our program, values the job Dabo does, and gives the football program what it needs and wants to be successful. I believe we do that at Clemson.

But Dabo has to do his part, which includes being truly open to using the transfer portal to help our team. He isn't paid $9 million a year just for the tremendous success he's already had. He's also paid $9 million to keep us at the top. Last year, he didn't do that. Do you really think we are likely to return to elite status if Dabo isn't aggressively using the transfer portal to fill needs?

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Apr 18, 2022, 5:59 PM

Even with poor performances in key areas and injuries, the football team's performance far exceeded the basketball team that had some of the same problems.

Brownell's rent a player policy is working with grads but most of the others left. Why is it so important that anyone has to bring in a transfer player. I've looked multiple times at the portal but can't with confidence name one player in the portal that is a guaranteed upgrade for Clemson football. Who is on your list of upgrades?


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Re: Are you honestly blaming injuries for our losses last year?


Apr 19, 2022, 9:12 AM

I don’t think our roster talent was far superior to that of teams we lost to, because the qb counts way more than every other position, and our qb was the lesser player in pretty much every game. Honestly, the fact that we won 10 games is a testament to the job the coaching staff did with practice, preparation, recruiting and development. Having DJ out there was like fighting with one arm tied behind your back.

As far as neff being dabo’s boss, ok, but in name only. That’s like saying Frank Vogel is Lebron’s boss. Dabo’s the one responsible for the department’s success, and that’s why he makes all the money. What if neff tried to fire dabo right now? Pretty sure that would be the last we heard of ryan neff.

As far as the portal and the state of college football go, somehow I’m just a lot more interested in what dabo has to say than what ryan neff has to say. Call me crazy, but i think we’ll continue to put a really competitive team on the field

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LMAO!***

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Apr 18, 2022, 10:40 AM



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Apr 18, 2022, 10:45 AM

It always amazes me when our fans want Dabo to be like every other coach when doing things the Dabo way has resulted in the best 10 year period in Clemson program history. Guess that is somehow not good enough so we need Dabo to regress to the mean and somehow that will improve our performance?

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I said on here several months ago that Dabo....

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Apr 18, 2022, 11:15 AM

...would start making changes. And he now has. Offering more earlier, allowing summer visits, etc.....


Again, subtle changes are all that's needed...not a wholesale changes in philosophy b/c Dabo's beliefs are right on. But doesn't mean that you don't evolve/tweak to match current environment. The best leaders do it....(see Saban). Use the portal like Bama (very lightly) to fill glaring holes...but rely on the HS kids for ±95% of your base. In the current world were you are losing a handful of kids every year to the portal, you have to replace that given the low 85 number.

I like the changes Dabo has implemented although we are a bit late to the party. Good to see these comments from Neff. Hopefully once the big conferences break away from the NCAA, some reasonable format/rules can be implemented to end some of the craziness going on...

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Agreed, but how are we "late to the party"?

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Apr 18, 2022, 11:26 AM

Because we won 10 games in a wild rash of injuries and a QB who regressed beyond anyone's imagination?

If we had better QB play last year we may have made the playoffs even with the injuries. Imagine of Trevor or the 2020 DJ was leading the team? Who would we have lost to? The main reason we lost those 3 games was because of poor QB play.

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Re: I think Neff just told Dabo to start using the portal

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Apr 18, 2022, 11:19 AM

Neff just need to say one thing:

"Yes Coach Swinney" and then go back to whatever work is needed to find cash for the track and field season.

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Exactly.


Apr 18, 2022, 11:21 AM

In his new “chair” that he’s so proud of.

Oh..,and through his “lens”.

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Apr 18, 2022, 8:15 PM

It’s the other way around. Even if you don’t like it Neff is Dabo’s boss plane and simple.

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Re: I think Neff just told Dabo to start using the portal

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Apr 18, 2022, 11:53 AM

Too late this year.

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Apr 18, 2022, 12:18 PM

Not too late. This is the time Dabo commented on using the portal, after spring games when guys see the pecking order. Again, Dabo has already made some changes in how Clemson recruits and as competitive as he is, he will adjust.

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Uh oh, you’re going to upset the Dabo fan club.

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Apr 18, 2022, 1:26 PM

They believe Dabo runs the athletic department and is the one telling Neff what to do, not the other way around.

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Re: Uh oh, you’re going to upset the Dabo fan club.


Apr 18, 2022, 1:29 PM

Judge, You're getting Dabo mixed up with Danny .

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I'm not getting Dabo mixed up with Danny at all.

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Apr 18, 2022, 2:41 PM

I don't think Dabo would ever take the public stances that Danny did when it came to fighting the administration.

My point was that many people here want an AD who basically takes orders from the football coach. It doesn't work that way, and I don't think Dabo would want it that way either.

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Re: I'm not getting Dabo mixed up with Danny at all.

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Apr 18, 2022, 5:30 PM

The AD doesn’t take “orders” from the Dabo but if you think it works the other way you’re out of your mind. I can assure you Neff does not have the authority to fire Swinney of his own accord and trigger his buyout. He answers to a board. Their work is is collaborative. Dabo is effectively a partner in this. Something as a Brad Brownell fan you wouldn’t understand since you’ve never cared more about the health of the program than about a paycheck.

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Judge is so blinded by his love for BrownL

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Apr 18, 2022, 2:41 PM

that it causes him to turn against the greatest coach Clemson has ever had.
Weird.
And Sad!!

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Wait, you mean there are Clemson fans that aren’t fans of Dabo?

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Apr 18, 2022, 4:41 PM

Really?
Other than bitter, jealous Brad fans, who could these so-called Clemson fans be?

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Re: Uh oh, you’re going to upset the Dabo fan club.


Apr 18, 2022, 8:49 PM

When Brownell wins 2 National Championships in 13 full years as the HC, then he can be in a position like Dabo.

Oops, that ship sailed!

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Re: Uh oh, you’re going to upset the Dabo fan club.


Apr 18, 2022, 8:59 PM

Two things. I think Dabo said if he had Brownell’s record he wouldn’t be a coach at Clemson. With the guy in charge of the portal, Dabo knows we won’t be using the portal.

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Dabo has already stated that he will use the portal but only


Apr 18, 2022, 1:58 PM

when there is a hole to fill. Just not to cherry pick.

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Re: Dabo has already stated that he will use the portal but only

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Apr 18, 2022, 5:36 PM

We need more coming instead of going. We’ve filled quite a few holes for other teams. Are we good with our OL?

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Apr 18, 2022, 8:38 PM

Lol! Young buck better stay in his lane. Dabo runs the show…..Neff knows that.

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