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I STILL think the OL is the root of all evils
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I STILL think the OL is the root of all evils

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Sep 9, 2023, 7:19 PM

We don’t get enough push to open a clean hole for our stud RBs against supposedly much lesser ranked opponents. And they miss blocks or get pushed back way too much on pass protection. This makes CAD get happy feet and make bad decisions.

It was very similar last year, so our whol offense became sideways plays.

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I think they look better than last year


Sep 9, 2023, 7:22 PM

Not saying great, but better and have potential to improve as year goes on.

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Re: I think they look better than last year

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Sep 9, 2023, 7:23 PM

Agree better, but why is it so hard for Clemson to get out of the gate stud linemen?

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Re: I think they look better than last year

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Sep 9, 2023, 9:51 PM

It is rare that we get out-of-the-gate linemen who also have the necessary mental discipline to not jump prematurely into false start penalties.

However, we have recruited numerous OL each year starting with the 2018 recruiting class.

Jackson Carman in 2018 recruiting class … the top OL recruit in the nation … played extensively as backup during our 2nd Nat. Championship season. Started at LT in both 2019 and 2020 seasons before going pro.

Will Putnam played extensively at RG as a true FR back in 2019 season. He had the combination of strength, technique, and OL cadence discipline (I.e., not prone to false starts).

Walker Parks played meaningful snaps as true FR at RT in 2020. We should have kept him at RT instead of moving him to RG so that Blake Miller could be given RT spot.

Marcus Tate, a great talent, started at LG to start 2021 season, Tate wasn’t ready for the cadence part of OL play (litany of false starts, also getting mixed up on the plays), so ended up on the bench for 2nd half of 2021 season. (He had good year in 2022.)

Dietrich Pennington, another great talent, was considered for starter at RG in 2021 season … but then tore ACL before season started. Gained a ton of weight while rehabbing the knee, played sparingly as backup in 2022. Looked pretty good (moved well for a huge man) from my vantage in limited snaps against UNC late last year, also in Spring 2023, and once again in 2nd half play today.

Blake Miller, upon his arrival as true FR for Spring practice in 2022, had the physique and strength to be a plug in and play OG for 2022 season. Coaches put him at RT, though, where he has continually struggled against OK opposing DE’s. He was ready to make a big contribution, maybe even a star, had we put him at RG instead of RT. Oh well.

For 2023, reports from the coaches (backed up by where they have him on the current depth chart) indicate that Harris Sewell is yet another react-to-play true FR O-Lineman in the 2023 class. He isn’t starting because we have experienced players (who, at this time, are better players) than Sewell for the OG positions. I’d love to see if we can RS him, but what do I know.

Across the line talent for OL was a problem back in 2021, but successful recruiting starting in 2019 … usually one physically & ‘cadence ready’ player each year … has endowed us with very talented and experienced players in this department. Highly regarded backups who developed more slowly have also been stalwarts (Jordan McFadden and Mitchell Maye come to mind) were better as experienced players than the newby highly rated OL recruits who ended up needing more time to develop (e.g.,Tristan Leigh and Colin Sadler).

In summary, our personnel at OL looks very good. I believe that Leigh, Tate, and Putnam will earn some level of All ACC accolades (1st, 2nd, or 3rd team) after 2023 season is finished. We have enough talent, if they are put in the correct spots, to have another star performer at RG and a competent player at RT for this unit to be up there with RB unit as the best part of the offense.

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I gotta disagree. When the D rushes six

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Sep 9, 2023, 7:25 PM

and we've got five blocking, Cade needs to use his better than DJ mobility.

We haven't taken sacks yet that we're due to poor OL play though LT is concerning thinking about FSU ends.

The OL is improved.

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Re: I gotta disagree. When the D rushes six

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Sep 9, 2023, 8:37 PM

On pass plays (which appears to be the case with CK2), then the QB must know how to (1) recognize the blitz (including where it originates), (2) move in the pocket, (3) hit the hot route, (4) run when the situation is right, (5) throw it away when the situation is right, (6) eat it and take the sack unless in desperate situation late in the game when taking sack = near certain loss, and (7) Hail Mary.

CK2 is good (2) … he was bad last year.
CK2 is better with both (1) and (3) than last year.
He is OK with (4) … about the same as last year.
He is not good enough with (5) … he knows that he needs to throw it away but the execution of that decision is a harrowing experience.
He is still bad with (6), same as last year … he overestimates his ability to escape pressure and too often conducts a catastrophic retreat before taking the sack.
QB requirement (7) is an unknown. Haven’t seen him try it yet.

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I STILL think QB play is lacking.

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Sep 9, 2023, 7:35 PM

Many other good QBs handle pressure better.

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Re: I STILL think the OL is the root of all evils

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Sep 9, 2023, 7:49 PM

I see people ask why we aren't getting top talent at OL. I believe it is because we really aren't developing them. It appears our OL has regressed up to this point from last season. I understand we lost McFadden, but I watched this OL struggle today against CSU. I'm highly concerned what the game against FSU and others will look like due to the poor play up to this point from the OL.

I also think Cade has happy feet. It's almost like he is high on something. He cannot stand still or move up in the pocket when he has had the opportunity to do so. Today was only his 3rd start, but his decision making up to this point has been more of the Tennessee bowl game rather than the UNC, ACC championship game. He also stares down his WR. Which isn't going to end well against really good dbs. I hope there is a drastic growth spurt between now and FSU for both the OL and QB. There is another glaring problem on this offense but this topic is about the OL so I won't bother about that unit.

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Re: I STILL think the OL is the root of all evils


Sep 9, 2023, 9:05 PM

We have the talent, but maddeningly keep gambling that two veteran players that the coaches have in the wrong positions in hopes that their improvement will accelerate in time before we ring up too many more losses.

Our starting RT and RG needed to switch positions … at the beginning of 2022 season.

Our current RG played good enough as RT starter in 2021. Not great, but OK. Pass protection was his strength at RT. On the other hand, his run blocking has been not good enough for a RG.

Our current RT was horrendous at pass protection as a true FR during first 3 or 4 games in 2022; he improved to simply being not good enough since then. Yet, his run blocking is good. He looks like a prototype Tackle, but simply isn’t agile enough for the T job.

Our coaches MUST recognize this, yet it is as if they are so committed to being ‘right’ that they keep doubling and tripling down on their original personnel / position decisions because they don’t want it to look like they made a mistake in the first place.

I swear, our OL would be at its best if we did this:

RT: Starter - Mitchell Mayes (who is not a starter, but should be). 2nd - Colin Sadler. 3rd - Jon Williams (he’s pretty quick)
RG: Starter - Blake Miller. 2nd - Walker Parks 3rd - Harris Sewell
C: Starter - Will Putnam (he’s on track to be All-ACC this year). 2nd - R.Linthucum. 3rd - P.Howard
LG: Starter - Trey Tate 2nd - Walker Parks. 3rd - Dietrich Pennington
LT: Starter - Tristan Leigh (looked good against Duke and also today) 2nd - Colin Sadler. 3rd - Jon Williams

(*). Our OL room is good enough to win the ACC. The chairs in the room need rearrangement.

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Do you happen to recall who was center on the fumbled snap?


Sep 9, 2023, 9:30 PM

Looked to me that it came out sideways. Cade should have grabbed it, but it was bad snap.

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Re: I STILL think the OL is the root of all evils


Sep 9, 2023, 9:19 PM [ in reply to Re: I STILL think the OL is the root of all evils ]

^^^^gets it

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Re: I STILL think the OL is the root of all evils

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Sep 9, 2023, 7:51 PM

Elite? Not even close.

Good? Hard to say given who we've played.

We will know after FSU. That will tell us everything we need to know about this O Line.

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Screw Calford.


Re: I STILL think the OL is the root of all evils

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Sep 9, 2023, 8:09 PM

Better CK with happy feet than DJU with sad feet.

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Re: I STILL think the OL is the root of all evils

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Sep 9, 2023, 8:20 PM

Sooo, Coach Caldweii Caldwell wasn’t the answer? I read so much that HE was the root of all evil during our great run.

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Re: I STILL think the OL is the root of all evils


Sep 9, 2023, 8:21 PM

Caldwell

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Re: I STILL think the OL is the root of all evils


Sep 9, 2023, 9:16 PM

Lol this tells me everything i need to know about some of the TNET posters football knowledge. This OL has improved significantly from a technique stand point under Austin. Ill concede they dont get the push id like to see at times but that looks like a strength issue(S&C issue not OL coach). Last year idk how many plays were turnovers or sacks bc DJ held the ball for 6 seconds, thats way too freaking long at D1 level football.

Cade has flashed but hes still adjusting to the feel of the college game right now, his "happy feet" tendencies are getting alot better, he needs expierence above all else. The OL play will look much different as Cade hits a groove and gains expierence. Its ironic half this fan base gave DJ 3 years in the same system and still said he needed more time and now they want to kick Cade to the curb in his first year in a new system.

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