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TNET: ACC revenue sharing plan is good, but there needs to be more
May 26, 2023, 7:00 AM
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Re: TNET: ACC revenue sharing plan is good, but there needs to be more
May 26, 2023, 7:23 AM
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Is $10M the same as $30 to $40M? Does the ACC think so? What am I missing?
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Can our young AD please just shut up already?
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May 26, 2023, 7:30 AM
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I hate to be negative about the new AD, but I wish he would stop talking because he is saying nothing.
There needs to be more? The media deal is the media deal - nobody can just magically print more money for the conference.
The GOR ties us to the conference for another decade+. You want to test the GOR? Go ahead. You think that's a bad idea? No need to run your mouth.
Do you think the SEC wants us? Well, the SEC just added Oklahoma and Texas and is likely not getting more money from ESPN (which is why they are now leaning toward keeping an eight-game conference schedule). So why on earth do we think the teams in the SEC would want to add us?
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I respectfully disagree.
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May 26, 2023, 7:40 AM
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He made a nice non-statement statement.
He made it very clear that the new agreement was not enough. He said that Clemson would continue to push for adequate resources to compete on a national level. He said they would do it "within the ACC."
The message is clear. "We're in the ACC now. If you guys can figure out a way to get us enough money to compete with the SEC and B1G, then we will stay. If not, we're outta here as quickly as we can fins a way. We're working on it. The clock is ticking. The bottom line is - We will find a way to get enough money to compete nationally. In the ACC or, more likely, out."
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He's clearly leaving the door open.
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May 26, 2023, 7:56 AM
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He's trying to balance two possibilities; staying in the ACC, or jumping leagues. Until that decision is made, he can't blast the ACC too hard, certainly not publicly. Behind closed doors it may be very different.
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^^^this. His statement was the perfect Non-Statement.***
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May 26, 2023, 10:18 AM
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^^^this. His statement was the perfect Non-Statement.***
May 26, 2023, 10:18 AM
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Re: I respectfully disagree.
May 26, 2023, 4:32 PM
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But there is no "we're outta here." We have no leverage. We're stuck in the conference for another decade. And we have absolutely no evidence the SEC wants us.
The SEC hasn't been able to get more money out of ESPN adding Oklahoma and Texas (which is why the SEC is "threatening" to stay at an eight-game conference schedule. If ESPN won't pony-up for Oklahoma and Texas, why would they pony-up for Clemson and FSU... when they already own those teams' games? Ironically, that makes the $30 million gap a $26 million gap.
SEC teams will make more money than they were, under the new contract, but they are already going to take a haircut from what they thought they were going to get, with the addition of Texas and Oklahoma. Do they really want any more mouths to feed when they know ESPN is happy the way things are?
The ACC is still going to have the third best per team payout, ahead of both the Big-12 and the Pac-12. Are those teams complaining that they won't be able to compete? TCU? Oregon? I don't think they've given up on being competitive programs.
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I understand your concern.
May 27, 2023, 6:49 AM
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There is no way out of ACC - today. But, a bunch of attorneys from a bunch of universities are being paid a bunch of money to figure out a way to get out of the ACC. It won't take a decade.
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Re: TNET: ACC revenue sharing plan is good, but there needs to be more
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May 26, 2023, 7:38 AM
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Clemson is going to have to find a way to generate significant additional income on its own. Trying to do so within the ACC framework seems futile. Making the CFP will help, under the new revenue sharing plan, but there has to be an outdide-the-box solution somewhere.
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Re: TNET: ACC revenue sharing plan is good, but there needs to be more
May 26, 2023, 8:22 AM
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Is there no ability by the league to renegotiate the ESPN agreement? I would think it’s in ESPN’s economic interests to have a viable ACC that continues long-established rivalries and creates additional title races and drama, instead of these schools being absorbed into a super-conference that turn 11-0 or 10-1 contenders into 7-4 or 6-5 squads that generate little buzz. It seems beneficial to TV and the conferences — even if it’s just an illusion — to have numerous champions competing for a national title at year’s end.
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Re: TNET: ACC revenue sharing plan is good, but there needs to be more
May 26, 2023, 4:35 PM
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I think you should go to your boss and say, "I know we are paying $100 for this part, but why don't we pay $150 for it instead?"
It's the same reason ESPN won't give the SEC more money to "get" Clemson and FSU. Why pay more for what you already own?
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Graham Neff oversaw SCarolina be a noon game
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May 26, 2023, 8:14 AM
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it was the first time we played them in Death Valley since Trevor's freshmen season.
We had spent so much money on a night time light show production.
I don't trust him to make the right decision for our program. The fact we're still in the ACC should go down as a failure on his resume.
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I get where you are coming from, but I don't think it's his
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May 26, 2023, 8:19 AM
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decision. Obviously, he has some input, but I think whether we stay or go will be decided primarily by the BOT and the president, and Dabo and Neff will have significant input.
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I think you are blaming the wrong guy here…
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May 26, 2023, 8:28 AM
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Neff didn’t sign off on the GOR deal, his predecessor did and the university president actually signed it. One of the biggest mistakes ever made by Clemson leadership other than firing Danny Ford. Both moves have caused Clemson decades of woe and pain and set the university back years.
When Clemson leaves the ACC here in less than 18 months, Neff will be considered a hero. Watch. And rightfully so.
And when he replaces Brownell next year, it will solidify that he is made of the right stuff. Sure he didn’t think through the Scar game time change all the way, so he makes mistakes. But he fired Monte and hired Bakich. He didn’t stand in the way of replacing Streeter with Riley. He is overseeing a lot of success in Clemson athletics right now and enabling big moves to insure even more success.
It is just a matter of time and we will:
1. Have announced we are leaving the ACC before the 2024 football season starts
2. playing in the CFP in 2023
3. have a new basketball coach in 2024 who will take us to March madness in his first year
Patience grasshopper.
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Re: I think you are blaming the wrong guy here…
May 26, 2023, 4:36 PM
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Every team in the conference signed off on it, to guarantee the stability of the league and to get the ACCN created.
Where on earth do you think we are going to go in eighteen months that will get us more money? It simply isn't happening.
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Re: TNET: ACC revenue sharing plan is good, but there needs to be more
May 26, 2023, 8:50 AM
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What's good about this deal? This is a losing proposition and the revenue gap will widen exponentially in the next 5 years, if not sooner. If ever there was a compelling reason to get out of the ACC, this is it.
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The conference is projected to get an additional ~$75 mil
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May 26, 2023, 9:12 AM
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per year for 2024 and 2025 by the CFP expanding to 12 teams. The # is projected to be an additional $150-200 mil starting in 2026 with a new CFP TV deal. That is the pot of gold Clemson/FSU etc should be going after IMO. Why $10mil bump incentive when the $s the league is on track to get are much much higher. You could literally take half that $ and divide amongst the 1-2 playoff teams the ACC would get(don't see them ever getting 3) and that would make a significant impact not $10mil. That is the pot of gold that needs to be up for discussion if there is no way out of GOR til 2036.
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So, you don't think the other conferences will get
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May 26, 2023, 10:26 AM
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a piece of that pie too? Being behind by $40 million a year is not going to be solved by making the playoff - especially if the other conferences are also getting more of that pie than the ACC.
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but the other conferences would be splitting evenly
May 26, 2023, 12:41 PM
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(at least B10 and SEC would) unless their elite teams cause a rift and ask for the same type of deal - possible but at some point you have enough to do what you need to do and does it really matter if someone is making more. The B10 truly dwarfs the SEC in Rev when you look at what being a part of the B10 means from a B10 Alliance standpoint and what that $ brings to a university. It's why Clemson has AAU as a goal. College football may cease to exist at somepoint given where things are headed on multiple fronts, that Big 10 Alliance $ which is multiple times athletic #s is a different pot.
As for other conferences receiving more - that is TBD starting in 2026 but unlikely to be a huge disparity even if the model changes. Currently every P5 gets an equal share to split and the Group of 5 gets a share to split. They are changing for the next 2 years so that the P5 conferences get a weighted amount based on # of teams. In the past B12 per team amounts have been higher than SEC,ACC, B10 etc. because they were splitting the same amount amongst 9/10 teams vs 14. This way a Kansas cut of the pie is not bigger than an Alabama, Clemson, OSU, etc..... which is what it has been since the current CFP model was adopted.
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This plan is like trying to put a cork in the leak on the
May 26, 2023, 9:25 AM
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Titanic. It is a mere Bagatelle compared to the differences in revenue between us and the BIG and SEC.
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Re: TNET: ACC revenue sharing plan is good, but there needs to be more
May 26, 2023, 9:41 AM
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Honestly this is the way it should work, and it is all based off your brand and market. Eyes on televisions. The brands that are supporting the product should be paid.
This is how ESPN looks at it. Ultimately if this is how they look at this is how the conference should look at it.
Tier 1 Schools (paid the most)
Clemson
UNC
FSU
VT
Tier 2 Schools (paid the 2nd most)
NC State
UVA
Louisville
Miami
GT *GT could be relegated
Tier 3 Schools (paid the 3rd most, basically your private school section)
Wake Forest
BC
Syracuse
Duke
Pitt
Want to save the ACC? Relegate Syracuse, Wake Forest, and BC out of the conference then add West Virginia. Problem solved. More money for schools in conference and a better all around product. 12 team conference filled with Tier 1 and Tier 2 products.
Adding BC, Syracuse, Pitt was the dumbest #### thing the ACC ever did. Nobody gives a crap about small private school sports
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Didn’t Pitt win the ACC two years ago?***
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May 26, 2023, 10:33 AM
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Re: TNET: ACC revenue sharing plan is good, but there needs to be more
May 26, 2023, 11:10 AM
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The ACC can't be saved it's just a matter of time Neff and Co. knows this . Just playing the hand that is dealt. Clemson and FSU and the others know this. I'll say this what happened to VHS and DVDs . It will be the same with the ACC . The Super Conference is here to stay.
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Hows is this good? Seriously. Its laughably inadequate
May 26, 2023, 9:44 AM
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10 million is the best you can do, "potentially" lol. Thats IF you make the playoffs. Oh and youll need to do it EVERY YEAR by the way or you dont get that 10 mill bump. This is just beyond stupid. Rip the bandaide off and fold the league. Its the only humane thing to do.
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It's like offering a bandaid to someone with a gunshot wound***
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That’s a finger Band-Aid on an amputation
May 26, 2023, 11:07 AM
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Re: TNET: ACC revenue sharing plan is good, but there needs to be more
May 26, 2023, 11:32 AM
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This isn't enough to boost the teams with a grievance.
It's sure to grieve the remaining teams.
Pleases no one. Will cause only further strife and division.
In other words, the most ACC response ever.
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Re: TNET: ACC revenue sharing plan is good, but there needs to be more
May 26, 2023, 11:36 AM
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SEC-adds Oklahoma and Texas
B1G-adds USC and UCLA
ACC-"We're going to form a non-binding agreement with the PAC-12 and Big 12!
We might even have an ACC vs PAC-12 exhibition game at the end of the season!"
"We're about to be $30M a year behind EVERY SCHOOL in the SEC and B1G!"
ACC-"Make the CFP EVERY YEAR and best case scenario you'll only be $20M behind, FOR NOW.
You're welcome!"
Impotency illustrated.
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Re: TNET: ACC revenue sharing plan is good, but there needs to be more
May 26, 2023, 4:42 PM
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The Alliance did the only thing it was designed to do. It delayed playoff expansion that that there would be competitive bidding for the media rights rather than just gifting it at below market rates to ESPN. Everything else about the Alliance was window dressing.
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Re: TNET: ACC revenue sharing plan is good, but there needs to be more
May 26, 2023, 3:57 PM
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This is nothing more than an effort to hold the football schools in place to salvage the ACC. It is a bit like giving vitamin pills to someone whose mortality is almost at hand.
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