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All-In [42197]
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So why the opposition to mail-in voting?
May 13, 2020, 1:03 PM
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Mail-in voting fraud has been proven to be very uncommon, so why do Trump and many GOPers/conservatives oppose it this fall?
To quote the president: "Mail ballots, they cheat. Mail ballots are very dangerous for this country because of cheaters. They go collect them. They are fraudulent in many cases. They have to vote. They should have voter ID, by the way."
Of course, Trump himself voted by mail.
Anyone got an idea why Trump and the GOP are so concerned with mail-in when fraud in that area is very, very rare?
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CU Medallion [64837]
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If the fraud is done properly, it wouldn't be detectable.
May 13, 2020, 1:12 PM
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So how do you know it is very, very rare?
Maybe you mean that it is very, very rare that somebody gets caught?
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Could be...
May 13, 2020, 1:14 PM
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So taking that into account, the president would not have any evidence to back up his claim.
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CU Medallion [64837]
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Well yes, I suppose you're right.
May 13, 2020, 1:19 PM
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I think the *potential* for some fraud is there. Is it enough to sway an election, with our current system, I doubt it.
I don't really care either way, TBH. At least, I don't care enough to get riled up about it.
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Oculus Spirit [93681]
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Which is resolved by showing up at the poll, showing an ID..
May 13, 2020, 6:00 PM
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and voting. Mail in ballots are subject to being lost too. I appreciate that people who are traveling including our troops can't get to the poll but...
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Re: Could be...
May 13, 2020, 6:54 PM
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WHY DO YOU THINK THE LIBS WANT MAIL IN VOTING? TAKE A WILD GUESS...................
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I DON'T KNOW!?!? DID DEROBERTS GET A NEW ACCOUNT?!***
May 13, 2020, 10:29 PM
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Rock Defender [54]
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It exists more in mail-in voting than in-person voting
May 13, 2020, 1:16 PM
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All-In [42197]
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But even as your article states...
May 13, 2020, 1:22 PM
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It's still not common.
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Re: But even as your article states...
May 13, 2020, 6:57 PM
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If you can stand in line at a Walmart, a MacDonald's, etc, you can stand in line at a voting center. Right?
Try not being such a democrat SHEEP. LOL
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Let's make a compromise
May 13, 2020, 1:23 PM
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since yall are so dead set against in person voting.
Dems will get off the mail in voting train
IF
Yall agree to make election day a 2 day event. A Saturday and Sunday
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You lost me at the first line, which I assume was a typo.
May 13, 2020, 1:27 PM
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That being said, I'm all for a compromise like that.
Seems reasonable enough.
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By all other standards you mean?
May 13, 2020, 1:35 PM
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18, US citizen, registered?
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Rock Defender [54]
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I mean whatever existing standards the states
May 13, 2020, 1:41 PM
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So let's have a national voter ID and
May 13, 2020, 1:45 PM
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mail it to every single US citizen in the country for free. That way all citizens have the ID's yall desperately want.
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I could get behind that.***
May 13, 2020, 3:37 PM
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Re: So let's have a national voter ID and
May 13, 2020, 11:56 PM
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For free??? Who’s paying?
I have an ID as do every other person I know that can and should vote.
Who doesn’t have an ID that wants to vote... and why?
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Re: Are you talking federal government?
May 13, 2020, 1:45 PM
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Re: Are you talking federal government?
May 13, 2020, 1:54 PM
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There are 3.2 million public school teachers in America. One survey I found put teachers at 41 percent Democrat, which would be 1.3 million. That's also assuming all of them vote. Doesn't seem to be too much of a hurdle. Would making Election Day a holiday or weekend feasibly free up more GOP voters?
Aren't most retired Americans strong Pub supporters?
And I believe many colleges stay open for Election Day, no?
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Rock Defender [54]
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Re: Are you talking federal government?
May 13, 2020, 2:03 PM
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Re: Yeah, I didn't say...
May 13, 2020, 3:47 PM
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I challenge you to prove I'm not one.
May 13, 2020, 10:30 PM
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Give me a list of my ideological beliefs and tell me how they're liberal.
If you cannot do exactly that in your reply, you admit you're just making up ####.
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We will give yall voter ID if it is mailed
May 13, 2020, 2:11 PM
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to every american citizen for free
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Re: We will give yall voter ID if it is mailed
May 13, 2020, 2:17 PM
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So you're saying, require voter ID but
May 13, 2020, 2:23 PM
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make people pay for it.
Which would disproportionately disenfranchise people in poverty.
Hmmmmm, I'm just a lowly history major
But that sounds a lot like a poll tax.
But I do appreciate showing all of us the real reason republicans are behind voter ID. It's not about fraud, it's about making sure poor people can't vote.
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Re: So you're saying, require voter ID but
May 13, 2020, 2:32 PM
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Rock Defender [54]
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I added:
May 13, 2020, 2:42 PM
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But I do appreciate showing all of us the real reason republicans are behind voter ID. It's not about fraud, it's about making sure poor people can't vote.
You have the opportunity to reply to that as well.
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Re: I added:
May 13, 2020, 2:46 PM
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Re: I added:
May 13, 2020, 2:48 PM
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If we want voter ID...
May 13, 2020, 2:32 PM
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What's wrong with providing it to every American to fight fraud?
You do know many Americans can't afford to go get ID or have the means to go get it.
It seems providing it to all Americans satisfies both the right and the left.
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Oculus Spirit [79429]
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I don't believe this at all:
May 13, 2020, 2:38 PM
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"You do know many Americans can't afford to go get ID or have the means to go get it."
What are the barriers? Social services will assist with taking people grocery shopping, making sure they make it to court dates, etc.
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Re: I don't believe this at all:
May 13, 2020, 2:44 PM
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If you can pardon it being from the ACLU, this maps out the data and numbers of this problem:
https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheetOppose Voter ID Legislation - Fact Sheet BackgroundVoter identification laws are a part of an ongoing strategy to roll back decades of progress on voting rights. Thirty-four states have identification requirements at the polls. Seven states have strict photo ID laws, under which voters must present one of a limited set of forms of government-issued photo ID in order to cast a regular ballot – no exceptions.
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Oculus Spirit [79429]
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I read it and still don't see the problem
May 13, 2020, 2:55 PM
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Identification requirements to vote seems like one of those things that should be universally accepted as necessary. Always baffled me that it wasn't. Owning firearms is a right, why should I have to show ID to buy one?
If you don't have a government ID in 2020 that's because you don't want one. I simply don't believe there are people out there that cannot access them, especially considering they've most likely gone through the motions to acquire other govt services.
You can get me on board with your side regarding the closure of polling stations, etc. but this idea that a large number of people do not have access to a govt ID is ludicrous to me.
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Why is ID required for far less important things then?
May 13, 2020, 7:17 PM
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Free? A voter ID should be, what, like $300 or something.
May 13, 2020, 2:31 PM
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Be like a poll tax.
No, free is good. A driver's license is essentially free. No problem.
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Really? A poll tax?***
May 13, 2020, 2:34 PM
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You're doing it again. Didn't say that.***
May 13, 2020, 2:56 PM
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If you meant...
May 13, 2020, 3:21 PM
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"That would be like a poll tax therefore that's a bad idea," then add some more words to the sentence. And on that, you and I are in agreement.
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:) No problem. I am understanding. There is a humor gene.
May 13, 2020, 4:02 PM
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One of us didn't get it.
There is a pedantic literalist gene, which is a good thing to have. One of us got 12 of them.
I am not sure which got which.
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Well, this board makes me laugh daily, so there's that.***
May 13, 2020, 10:32 PM
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Re: Let's make a compromise
May 13, 2020, 11:50 PM
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Sure, and you need a state issued ID
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Probably has something to do with
May 13, 2020, 1:21 PM
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Trump saying if more people are able to vote no Republican would ever win another election.
Mail in voting makes that possible.
The military votes by mail.
Many states have early mail in ballots.
Trump voted by mail.
Now that most polls show that he's losing to Biden even with all of these allegations, now it's rife with fraud.
Which it's not.
Reminds me of this scene
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Rock Defender [54]
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That’s not what he said
May 13, 2020, 1:28 PM
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So....... getting rid of the many unneccessary hoops
May 13, 2020, 1:32 PM
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so more Americans can vote would mean Republicans wouldn't win elections.
More people voting. Less Republicans.
Am I missing something here?
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You probably have it about right. Stand in a Section 8
May 13, 2020, 1:45 PM
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project on Nov 3, see how many go vote. Send in a van, pick them up, that many more dem voters.
Sure, that is what the discussion is about. There is a fine line between suppression and discipline. If a person doesn't have the personal desire required to get himself to a voting booth, with proof of who he is, does he meet some minimal character/diligence/moral requirement of a voter in a democracy? The Constitution doesn't address such things, so we talk about them in other ways.
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Re: You probably have it about right. Stand in a Section 8
May 13, 2020, 1:52 PM
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If a person doesn't have the personal desire required to get himself to a voting booth, with proof of who he is, does he meet some minimal character/diligence/moral requirement of a voter in a democracy?
Uh.... Yeah. He/she does. Democracies work best when ALL stakeholders vote.
So yeah. I rather ALL citizens vote no matter how disgusting/idiotic/whatever else they are.
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A valid opinion. I disagree. See? That wasn't hard.
May 13, 2020, 2:04 PM
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Didn't call each other names, or anything.
Tnet needs a visit to the Andy Griffith School Of Getting Along: "Morning, honey." "Morning, dear."
Wasn't talking about you at all - you and I have never addressed each other as far as I know - just generally.
I am not saying there is anything legal that can or should be done about it, but no, imo a person who is not a tax payer and can't get up enough whatever to get to a poll with an ID doesn't have the personal stake in the common good required of a decision maker. That is not a moral judgement - that's another arena altogether - just a statement about how decisions are made. A decision about how to spend money should involve that person's money, and he should care enough to get three blocks down the street with an ID.
I understand there is another side, and would enjoy hearing it. I just happen to start there.
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I'll take it a half a step back
May 13, 2020, 2:08 PM
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All stakeholders shouldn't be made to vote.
But all stakeholders should be able to have easily accessible means of voting.
You used the lazy deadbeat example which is a staple of the Republican lexicon.
I'll use physical handicapped, or the ones without modes of transportation, shut ins, etc.
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Sure. Agree with that. And I didn't mean to imply that non
May 13, 2020, 2:21 PM
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voters are deadbeats. We just know that a lot of people don't go vote, and we know that one party benefits from getting more of those types of people to vote, and that this is what the discussion about voting procedures is actually about. Neither side can find a good way to say exactly that.
But sure, anyone who needs help voting should have it. Mail-in ballots - the thing that started all this - have always been available to those who could demonstrate need. One has to decide to apply for and get one, but that doesn't seem like too much to ask of someone who is going vote on $4 Trillion of spending.
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Typo: Meant "non voters"***
May 13, 2020, 2:22 PM
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Ah, you are correct. "We" is a universal term, like 'always'
May 13, 2020, 4:07 PM
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or 'never'. I have no idea what everyone knows, do I? Can "we" be said to know anything? "We" don't even know the earth is round, do we? Should have said, "I".
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Re: I would classify
May 13, 2020, 2:09 PM
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It's the closure of polls in certain locations.
May 13, 2020, 2:41 PM
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Trying to prevent blacks from voting has been a pretty common action throughout U.S. history after they got the right to do so, especially in the South. It's a bit naive to think it's not still happening. Closing polling locations in areas that are primarily poor black is a pretty obvious tactic.
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Yeah but it didn't happen to T3
May 13, 2020, 2:43 PM
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so obviously it's not happening.
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Re: Yeah but it didn't happen to T3
May 13, 2020, 3:04 PM
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Are you paid by the hour or are you salary?***
May 13, 2020, 3:07 PM
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I am neither
May 13, 2020, 3:15 PM
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I agree that travel times and waits like that are unnecessar
May 13, 2020, 3:42 PM
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y.
But I would suggest fixing the problem, instead of just abandoning the whole process.
I think they call that "throwing the turd out with the punch" or "dropping a baby into a haystack" or something like that.
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Like most arguments, the words used are proxies for
May 13, 2020, 1:34 PM
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the actual issue. The more stringent the voting requirements, including simple proof of identity, the more reps you get. The less stringent, the more dems. For years dems have sent busses around to pick up people to vote. No sense denying that this is what the discussion is about. Neither side wants to just come out at say that.
One side says the issue with fewer restrictions is fraud. The other side says identity requirements are about suppression. Horse$hit in both cases. Both sides just want their voters in the booths.
An interesting discussion would be who actually should be voters. The Framers, rightly or wrongly, couldn't imagine a non stake holder (land owner) having a vote. On the other end, the AOC types want illegals to vote. Like all politics now, reasonableness of discussion went gone some time ago. We'll just call each other names instead.
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there is a reason prisons are full
May 13, 2020, 1:47 PM
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of democrats.
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I'd love to see that study.
May 13, 2020, 1:55 PM
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I'd kinda wager a lot of folks in prison haven't spent much time in a voting booth.
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He's saying that because the majority of
May 13, 2020, 1:57 PM
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prisoners are black males.
And black people overwhelmingly vote Democrat.
So THERE
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race has nothing to do with it
May 13, 2020, 3:44 PM
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Why do some people see race in everything?
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I think people are convinced that it
May 13, 2020, 2:18 PM
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affects how likely their preferred candidate is to win an election. I doubt that is actually the case, and I've seen at least one study that said increased mail-in voting had no partisan effect.
I think we should have every kind of voting possible, to maximize the number of people for voting. I think if mail-in voting fraud is a problem, there are people smart enough to figure out a way to make it not a problem.
How come no one ever says, "I'm in favor of mail-in voting, with maximize fraud security measures"? Seems like a win-win.
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I'd like online voting to be explored, too.
May 13, 2020, 2:26 PM
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I do pretty much everything online, even the most critical and personal things. Again, I think there are brilliant people in this country who can make it secure.
Logic say we should encourage people to do good things by making it easier, and discourage people from doing bad things by making it more difficult. So that's the attitude I take on this issue.
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I think you nailed it...
May 13, 2020, 2:33 PM
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Especially since so many military vote through mail and probably vote mostly Pub. The fear we're hearing now isn't over voter fraud but the idea that making it easier to vote during COVID would somehow hurt Trump.
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I disagree with:
May 13, 2020, 2:59 PM
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"I think we should have every kind of voting possible"
...just because I think there should be some effort involved in voting. I don't want "Instagram Sam" flipping through his messages and getting a "Go Ahead and Vote" popup where he can choose between Biden and Trump without having to put his phone down and get off of his fat couch.
That would lead to too many people voting who know nothing about the issues...
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We literally have that now
May 13, 2020, 3:02 PM
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with a ton of people who know absolutely nothing about the candidates voting based on whether there is an R or a D beside the name.
This is how we got Trump.
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110%er [9667]
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I want people who truly CARE to be voting. If more
May 13, 2020, 3:10 PM
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people cared enough to come to the polls and elect Pres Trump, I'm ok with that.
I don't want people like my son (who thought Nancy Pelosi was running for President) to be voting...
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I choose not to place judgments on whose vote
May 13, 2020, 3:03 PM
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is more worthy than another's.
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I understand that. I've just always believed people
May 13, 2020, 3:07 PM
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shouldn't be voting if they don't care enough about it to take an hour out of their busy day..
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It's not that I don't share an opinion like that.
May 13, 2020, 3:11 PM
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But I feel that could be a slippery slope, so I choose to not make that judgement, no matter what my personal opinion may be.
What if I don't care enough to watch every debate? To watch one debate? To research the candidates? See what I mean? Someone might think I might not care enough to vote. I'd rather just have everybody vote, and I actually think it would encourage more engagement outside of voting.
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I had the exact same philosophy on voting
May 13, 2020, 3:08 PM
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"we don't need more voters we need more informed voters"
Then I realized this was one of the same basic premises for Jim Crow laws.
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I've got a good rule to discriminate by
May 13, 2020, 3:11 PM
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Anyone that has kids with more than 3 people is disqualified. It's not racist, and is the mark of ###### decision making.
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At least have the bawls to tag him.
May 13, 2020, 3:42 PM
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Greenr
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HE SAID KIDS WITH 3 OR MORE PEOPLE
May 13, 2020, 4:08 PM
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You are assuming I convinced more than 3 people to have sexual intercourse with me.
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x100 is probably not good, eh...?***
May 13, 2020, 7:23 PM
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Rock Defender [54]
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Hey you’re alive!
May 13, 2020, 7:26 PM
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Re: So why the opposition to mail-in voting?
May 13, 2020, 6:53 PM
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Your naivete is showing.....try harder....
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Re: So why the opposition to mail-in voting?
May 13, 2020, 8:08 PM
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If you are fer hit I'm agin it!!
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Why the push for it?
May 13, 2020, 8:23 PM
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But, if we are going to vote by mail, why not include a thumb print box for the voter - and have the voter provide a copy of their valid Drivers license too? That would work.
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Re: Why the push for it?
May 13, 2020, 8:53 PM
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Whoa there, then non-citizens, the dead, voting in multiple precints and multiple states might become a problem!!
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I think given the current circumstances...
May 13, 2020, 10:34 PM
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It may be necessary. I'm not advocating for it to be a regular thing.
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Republicans can only win with low voter turnout
May 13, 2020, 9:03 PM
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Ideally, they want turnout to be under 50%.
There was some controversy around Christmas over Franklin Graham's claim that his father voted for Trump. It upset some of the more respectable, less political members of that family, who pointed out that Billy was bedridden and unable to speak. But it checked out; Billy Graham voted by absentee in 2016 according to public records, and it's completely legal in NC for a designate to fill it out for him
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Not this year, Jslop....,
May 13, 2020, 9:13 PM
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You gonna vote for walkin zombie Biden?
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Legend [15492]
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Re: Not this year, Jslop....,
May 13, 2020, 9:24 PM
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Sure, you going to vote for lying, incompetent, childish fatass orange man?
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Athletic Dir [881]
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Trump's base is only 34% of the country.
May 13, 2020, 10:18 PM
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5% are white supremacists and Nazi's. 10% that are abject racists sympathetic to the bottom 5%. 15% that are just very, very stupid people, the ones drinking bleach (or still thinking about it like you are) 4% are "ordinary"
He needs to get to 44-45% to have a chance at winning the electoral college. Don't see any way he can win the popular vote.
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110%er [5677]
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Re: Trump's base is only 34% of the country.
May 14, 2020, 8:28 AM
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Lets see the Dems base consists of: 1. 25% communist and anarchist 2. 25% race baiters 3. 25% lovers of rapist,cop killers, murderers 4. 12.5% lovers of illegal aliens 5. 12.5% think America causes all of worlds problems
The sum total of the above, drum roll please, equals 100% fools and idiots.
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Athletic Dir [881]
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Along with most doctors, nurses, lawyers, teachers
May 14, 2020, 7:46 PM
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scientists and engineers (with advanced degrees).
Run your mouth to your doctor or nurse next time you need help getting your hand out of your diaper. They might not help you.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Lawyers yes
May 14, 2020, 7:53 PM
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Athletic Dir [881]
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Fake news
May 14, 2020, 8:01 PM
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Old news. That might have been true before Trump. He's chased all intelligent people out of the republican party.
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Legend [15492]
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Re: So why the opposition to mail-in voting?
May 13, 2020, 9:16 PM
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high turn out Dems win, GOP would become the angry Green party.
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