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I humbly ask everyone who cares about Clemson basketball

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Nov 21, 2021, 10:56 PM
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to show this team some grace. Please stick with them. They need your support.

Tonight’s game was this team’s sixth game in 13 days. Illness has impacted our team this weekend, with Hemenway missing games and PJ Hall, Chase Hunter, and some coaches not being at full strength.

Despite that, this team kept playing hard. They went toe to toe Friday and today with two teams that will easily be dancing in March. I think we will be, too.

Please don’t take this post as me making an excuse for these two losses. We lost because we didn’t play well enough to win. Coach Brownell will tell you the same thing. So will our players.

But please, don’t bail on this team. They are exciting to watch. They play their tails off. They love Clemson. They do things the right way on and off the court. And they have a ton of potential.

Thanks, and go Tigers!

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Nov 21, 2021, 11:02 PM
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It’s early. They played two good teams, had a chance to win them both, and made some critical mistakes down the stretch.

We’ll see how they develop, but this fan certainly hasn’t given up.

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Dec 3, 2021, 4:40 PM
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It's Not the Players who are at fault, Brad Brownell is! He's the Tommy Bowden of BB.
Example remember Rick Barnes slab 5?
Brownell should have been let go 3 years ago

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Dec 3, 2021, 4:40 PM
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It's Not the Players who are at fault, Brad Brownell is! He's the Tommy Bowden of BB.
Example remember Rick Barnes slab 5?
Brownell should have been let go 3 years ago

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Dec 3, 2021, 4:40 PM
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It's Not the Players who are at fault, Brad Brownell is! He's the Tommy Bowden of BB.
Example remember Rick Barnes slab 5?
Brownell should have been let go 3 years ago

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Dec 3, 2021, 4:40 PM
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It's Not the Players who are at fault, Brad Brownell is! He's the Tommy Bowden of BB.
Example remember Rick Barnes slab 5?
Brownell should have been let go 3 years ago

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Dec 3, 2021, 4:40 PM
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It's Not the Players who are at fault, Brad Brownell is! He's the Tommy Bowden of BB.
Example remember Rick Barnes slab 5?
Brownell should have been let go 3 years ago

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Dec 3, 2021, 4:40 PM
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It's Not the Players who are at fault, Brad Brownell is! He's the Tommy Bowden of BB.
Example remember Rick Barnes slab 5?
Brownell should have been let go 3 years ago

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Dec 3, 2021, 4:40 PM
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It's Not the Players who are at fault, Brad Brownell is! He's the Tommy Bowden of BB.
Example remember Rick Barnes slab 5?
Brownell should have been let go 3 years ago

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Dec 3, 2021, 4:40 PM
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It's Not the Players who are at fault, Brad Brownell is! He's the Tommy Bowden of BB.
Example remember Rick Barnes slab 5?
Brownell should have been let go 3 years ago

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Dec 3, 2021, 4:40 PM
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It's Not the Players who are at fault, Brad Brownell is! He's the Tommy Bowden of BB.
Example remember Rick Barnes slab 5?
Brownell should have been let go 3 years ago

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Nov 21, 2021, 11:03 PM
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I agree with your last paragraph, but I will continue to call it like I see it. And the total lack of preparedness we saw In two games was bad.

Two many guys on the court? Consecutive shot clock violations? Half man/half zone? That’s on the coach to me…

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Agree, coach needs to teach them how to finish games...

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Nov 21, 2021, 11:07 PM
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They start up balls on fire, then 2nd half tighten up, get too conservative and coach allows that and must even teach it. He needs to teach them to play the way they start the whole game.

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Six men on the court was inexcusable.

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Nov 21, 2021, 11:08 PM
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Brownell owned it whether it was his fault or not. Regardless, it was his and his coaches’ responsibility to make sure it didn’t happen.

I don’t know how you can say that we weren’t prepared. We built double digit leads in both games. If we weren’t prepared, we would’ve been overmatched from the outset.

We just need to learn how to finish games. Losing these two road games (yes, they felt like road games) to two NCAA Tournament teams will hopefully help us learn how.

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Nov 22, 2021, 3:13 PM
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I still support the team and know that it's tough for them to lose in that manner. Can you understand how frustrating it is to watch them repeatedly being unable to close? I know you can. Honestly, the fans need an outlet in order to express the frustrations of continuously getting our hopes up only to have them dashed. That's not all on the current team, that's been a trend lately.

Hopefully, they can regroup and rebound.

BTW, six men on the court...that was just embarrassing.

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I’m not sure what “continually unable to close” is supposed to mean.


Nov 22, 2021, 6:52 PM
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This is one of those same tired tropes that gets posted here repeatedly by people who want to bash the program.

Last year, in games decided by 10 points or less, we were 7-4. That included a 2-0 record against ranked teams.

I wish fans would look at reality and not just what they think/want to believe.

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Re: I’m not sure what “continually unable to close” is supposed to mean.


Nov 22, 2021, 10:54 PM
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I have eyes.

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So you’re going to ignore data which completely refutes


Nov 22, 2021, 10:59 PM
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the trope that “Brownell’s teams can’t finish games,” and are instead going with what your eyes tell you?

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Nov 23, 2021, 7:19 AM
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It's pretty commonplace to watch this team over the last decade, see them play well and get a decent lead, then completely change strategy and try to shorten the game. It hasn't worked well.

The point here is not that we won a few close games last year. It's that our coaching cannot sustain success mid-game because of poor strategy. How was that not obvious on Fri/Sun when we blew those double-digit leads? How have you already forgotten our regular 6-8 minute scoring droughts that happen all season long?

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Nov 23, 2021, 4:22 PM
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Well said.

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Nov 23, 2021, 4:20 PM
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Can you tell me in how many of those close games that went down to the wire did they have a big lead that evaporated in the second half? Not being supercritical--I just know that it's happened many times in games that I've watched. I would be happy to be proven wrong.

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How much more time are you willing to give BB to

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Nov 21, 2021, 11:12 PM
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correct all of his shortcomings? Six men on the court in his 12th season? Are you kidding me? Yes, the team played hard. But their coach is a complete idiot, and you are blind to this fact.

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You’re calling our coach an idiot.


Nov 21, 2021, 11:42 PM
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How is that supporting our team?

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That 's supporting our team by

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Nov 22, 2021, 12:39 AM
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trying to get a competent coach.

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You’ve gone out of your way tonight to bash our basketball program.

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Nov 22, 2021, 12:45 AM
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Do you think it makes a difference to those who make decisions at Clemson, or are you just blowing off steam?

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Nov 24, 2021, 9:23 PM
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I put some blame on the fans. How were the Bonnies from NY and the Mountaineers from WV louder by far than Tigers’ fans in Charleston SC??

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The coaching is bad...Just calling it like it is.***


Nov 22, 2021, 6:25 PM
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Why is our coaching bad?


Nov 22, 2021, 6:59 PM
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In three games in the Charleston Classic:

-We were favored by 5 over Temple, and won by 27.
-St. Bonaventure was favored by 3.5, and won by 3.
-West Virginia was favored by 2.5, and won by 7.

In one game, we blew out the opponent. In the other two games, we were very much in them until the end.

I don’t see why this is evidence of bad coaching. You make it sound like we weren’t prepared or got run out of the gym.

I’m happy to discuss certain situations or scenarios where you disagreed with the formation or lineup, but if you’re just parroting the same criticism of Brad being a bad coach, nothing that I posted above supports your notion.

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Nov 22, 2021, 8:42 PM
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I’m a season ticket holder and fully support the team. I do wonder about that 6 players on court scenario. Can a head coach and at least 6 assistants not count to 5? Was there an explanation?

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Brad told Chase he was going in.


Nov 22, 2021, 8:58 PM
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Chase was supposed to tell PJ and didn’t.

Brad took responsibility for it, as he should because everyone on the team from players up to the head coach should always be aware of specifics like that.

I can guarantee it won’t happen to us again this year.

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That’s not a well coached team.***


Nov 22, 2021, 9:02 PM
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Nov 22, 2021, 9:03 PM
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Yes but he's only in year 12 and doesn't have good facilities or fans, so this is bound to happen.

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Right. I know. He needs better fans, more money, and at least 10 more years.***


Nov 22, 2021, 9:31 PM
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So you’ve said the same thing when our football team has had


Nov 22, 2021, 10:55 PM
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12 men on the field?

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Tell me about a situation when that happened.


Nov 23, 2021, 5:39 AM
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I’m not saying it hasn’t. I just can’t remember specifically. Help me out.
Was it in one of the national championship games, maybe?

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Nov 23, 2021, 7:16 AM
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12 men on the field?




Football players run on and off the field between plays all game long. 12 men happens even to Super Bowl winning teams.

Basketball players only enter the game when specifically subbed in during a stoppage of play and must check in with the scorer's table. It's much more controlled. But, you already know that.

Once again, your comparisons of apples to oranges to support mediocrity is ludicrous.

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Yeah, having 12 men on the field is the same as having 6 men on the court

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Nov 23, 2021, 10:22 AM
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because the settings and action are exactly the same. Heck, who doesn't put 6 men on the court every now and then? You see it all the time, right? Lol.

You're trying too hard as usual.

There are over 11 years with examples of poor coaching in basketball, meanwhile the football team has accomplished accolades unseen at any point in Clemson history and extremely rare in the history of college football.

Basketball has been mediocre AT BEST over the last decade. Two tournament wins in 11 years is terrible. Meanwhile the football program is the 2nd best program in America over the last decade with 6 playoff appearances, more wins and playoff wins than anyone not named Alabama, 4 national title games, and 2 national championships. Maybe one day you'll just admit you're wrong instead of dancing around it like a fool.

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You’re right, well coached teams never make mistakes.


Nov 23, 2021, 9:04 PM
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Except our football team, of course. They can make a ton of mistakes, but it’s not a coaching issue, it’s an execution issue.

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Re: You’re right, well coached teams never make mistakes.


Dec 4, 2021, 12:32 PM
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People were screaming about how poorly-coached our team looked this year. So many false start penalties and other dumb mistakes on the offensive side of the ball that came down on the coaching staff. Why are you incapable of admitting that the same thing might be true about your beloved Brownell?

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Thanks but once is bad enough. Rookie coaching mistake.***


Nov 22, 2021, 10:16 PM
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Losing when ahead by 16 and 12 points reeks of bad coaching***

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No it doesn’t.


Nov 22, 2021, 10:58 PM
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Basketball is a game of runs.

Just as a team going up in the first half isn’t necessarily the result of great coaching, a team losing a lead isn’t necessarily a result of bad coaching.

Unless of course you think the coaching strategy by Brownell was to miss shots, miss free throws, and turn the ball over. And if you think that, you’re clearly on a witch-hunt.

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Re: I humbly ask everyone who cares about Clemson basketball

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Nov 21, 2021, 11:13 PM
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?? I support every sport I can and almost any and all things Clemson. I love and appreciate our university and our student athletes.
Go TIGERS ??????

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Nov 21, 2021, 11:27 PM
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Thanks Judge, well said.

As for the 6 man technical. Bad but didn't lose the game. Being up 56-50 with 5:50 left and then went on a 5 minute drought and ended the last 5:50 of the game 16-3. In fact, we didn't hit another bucket.

Will never give up on this team, but coaching strategy must improve.

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This is a good team.

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Nov 21, 2021, 11:28 PM
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I think they make noise in conference of we can stay healthy.

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Nov 22, 2021, 5:12 PM
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The conf is historically bad. Simply being just OK will make us top 4.

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Nov 22, 2021, 5:12 PM
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The conf is historically bad. Simply being just OK will make us top 4.

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Nov 22, 2021, 5:13 PM
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The conf is historically bad. Simply being just OK will make us top 4.

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So being just okay is good enough to be a top 4 ACC team?

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Nov 22, 2021, 7:00 PM
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Did you seriously say that?

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Nov 22, 2021, 9:15 PM
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Yes, I did.
Who do you think is very good in the ACC this year smart guy?
I’ll help, You can start with all the ranked teams - ahhhh - Duke.
Now, name the next 3 really good ones that are dominate.

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Dec 4, 2021, 12:53 PM
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Anxiously waiting on your response.
Especially after the ACC big 10 debacles.

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Why would anyone bail on the team?


Nov 21, 2021, 11:31 PM
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I think I speak for the majority of Clemson nation when I say we stand behind the team and want to win every game.

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Nov 21, 2021, 11:37 PM
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Good post Judge. I will always support Clemson players and will never call any out negatively by name. I know they are as disappointed in the losses as anyone. That being said I understand people criticizing the coaching for not putting them in a position to win. This isn’t the first time this has happened. I will continue to hold out hope that CBB and the team have a nice season.

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Nov 21, 2021, 11:37 PM
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Brad must make some remedy to which of the assistants will assure we do not end up with too many guys on the floor at one time. The fact we went over 5 minutes again today vs WVU is inexcusable. Nearly 8 minutes w/o points vs St. Bony. Surely he can find some young gent in GA/NC/TN or SC that can find the basket in crunch time and stop a big run by the opponent; another Ogelsby maybe.
My take is they are afraid to play loose and aggressive when the opponent makes a big move and Brad B. is endorsing their timid play. Being able to hit free throws might help as well---note Collins and Bohannon at the end today.
We got 'jobbed' on 2 or 3 calls & non-calls in the last 6 minutes, as well.

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It's early, and everything you said is true. I'm hanging

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Nov 21, 2021, 11:43 PM
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with these guys. Where the hayull would I go anyway?

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Nov 22, 2021, 12:09 AM
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Judge — I certainly will do. I never stop supporting Clemson basketball. I’ll be at every home game rooting them on. That said, I will certainly also express my frustration with the last two games, which is IMMENSE.

They’ve got two more chances at quality OOC wins vs Drake and Rutgers. Hope we can get both but we desperately need one

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Nov 22, 2021, 12:59 AM
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I support all Clemson athletics and I am a huge basketball fan. I do not fault any of our players.

I am not a fan of Brownell and his style of play. I think Clemson sets the bar far too low for our basketball program. I think a 68 team field NCAA bid should be expected nearly every season not 4 in 12 years.

Only 1 Clemson basketball player has gone on to play in the NBA during the CBB tenure. K.J. Daniels was a role player for parts of 3 seasons appearing in 148 games and averaging 5.3 ppg. Because of CBB style of play it effects recruiting as NBA type talent do not want to come to Clemson. Cliff had many players that had stellar NBA careers so it can be done. I know CBB is a good person and runs a clean program but I feel we can do better. DRad is the man that has control and for some reason he feels CBB is the man for the job.

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Nov 22, 2021, 2:01 AM
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Seems I have seen, and read about this same old dance routine before and I don't recall the fans not supporting the team. The head coaching is another matter all together .At some point a coach needs to be able to recruit a team that has depth ,can avoid injuries, and win some of those games during those tough stretches against teams you think will be dancing come March.
And I won't make excuses for back to back loses. But it is the same old song and dance routine. At some point you have to play well enough to win.
Maybe they are exciting to watch, and they play their tails off, and they love Clemson, and they do things the right way and have potential ,but you don't get to post season play in March without results on the court.
Or maybe you are content with a home court loss during the opening round of the NIT!

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Continually posting negative stuff about the coaches and

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Nov 22, 2021, 2:47 PM
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players online isn't supporting the team.

Fans failing to show up for a tournament in our home state isn't supporting the team.

Continually using football/game days/game times/weather as excuses not to attend basketball games isn't supporting the team.

People who don't want to support the team will always have a set of excuses ready.

For much of Brownell's tenure, it was that we don't make the NCAA Tournament enough. Well, we've made two of the last three NCAA Tournaments, and they still won't support the team. We've had multiple wins over ranked teams, both in conference and out of conference, over the past few years, and they still won't support the team.

Now the excuse is that we are "too boring." I don't know what that means, but when I hear that, I know I'm talking to a fan who simply doesn't like basketball and is looking for a reason not to support the team.

The average Clemson fan just doesn't care about basketball. It's time we accept that.

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Nov 22, 2021, 2:59 AM
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I will always support the student/athletes at Clemson University. Unfortunately, for me the ship sailed on the captain of the ship years ago.

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to show this team some grace. Please stick with them. They need your support.

Tonight’s game was this team’s sixth game in 13 days. Illness has impacted our team this weekend, with Hemenway missing games and PJ Hall, Chase Hunter, and some coaches not being at full strength.

Despite that, this team kept playing hard. They went toe to toe Friday and today with two teams that will easily be dancing in March. I think we will be, too.

Please don’t take this post as me making an excuse for these two losses. We lost because we didn’t play well enough to win. Coach Brownell will tell you the same thing. So will our players.

But please, don’t bail on this team. They are exciting to watch. They play their tails off. They love Clemson. They do things the right way on and off the court. And they have a ton of potential.

Thanks, and go Tigers!



You recall how you posted it was inexcusable that our football team had a down year in offense given the salary of our coaches? Well, it’s inexcusable that our lose two in a row after double digit leads in both given CBB is paid $3mm per year to coach freaking basketball. Did I do it right in terms of properly showing my agenda driven outrage?

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Once Brad gets the many advantages our football coaches have


Nov 22, 2021, 2:49 PM
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and underachieves like our football team has this year relative to those advantages, I'm happy to compare.

Otherwise, there is no comparison.

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What advantages?

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Nov 22, 2021, 5:28 PM
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Coach Brownell has everything he needs to be successful, and he's had 11 years to develop the roster. It is what it is.

There is nothing else anyone can do for him, and that include the fans and administration. Fans help with energy, and fan energy may give a boost to players, but it's been mentioned 100's of times.. is it the chicken or the egg? Provide an entertaining program and the fans will come. It's been proven numerous times.

There is NOTHING preventing Coach Brownell from winning more games. You can keep trying to make excuses, but at this point there are none.

In reality Coach Brownell needs to go to the tournament more, and obviously he needs to actually win some tournament games as well. In 11 years, WE'VE WON TWO NCAA TOURNAMENT GAMES. IN 11 YEARS! I like Coach Brownell, but this is not sufficient when you're making $2.6M.

Please stop acting as if there's something blocking Brad from accomplishing more. It's 100% on the coaching at this point.

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We finished in the top 5 of the ACC last year and made the Big Dance.

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Nov 22, 2021, 7:12 PM
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That is one of the better seasons in 100+ years of Clemson basketball.

We were undefeated going into the Charleston tournament. We even won our first game against Temple in dominating fashion.

We had a big game against a ranked opponent in our home state, within easy driving distance of many alumni and fans.

We play an exciting brand of basketball this year, shooting a high percentage from the field and playing hard consistently.

Yet we STILL didn’t have many fans for the St. Bonaventure game. And somehow, you are still defending poor fan turnout. It is amazing to me that you don’t see the problem here.

And no, I’m not blaming the fans for the loss. Our team still should’ve executed better down the stretch. But I think we can all acknowledge the value of a home court advantage in close games.

I don’t know what your goals are for the basketball program. What are they? And why do you feel that Brad has what he needs to get us there?

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The “big dance” was nothing for us but a 2-hour headache.***


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Nov 23, 2021, 7:11 PM
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It may not have gone well once we got there but making the tournament is still an achievement, ESPECIALLY for Clemson basketball.

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"But, but, but we didn't have any fans,


Nov 23, 2021, 10:36 AM
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...but I'm not blaming the fans".

You're hilarious. Blaming the fans has been one of your canned excuses for a dozen years.

The goal in any sports program is to win championships, and if not that to win some games in the postseason. Winning only two games in the NCAA tournament over 11 years is not acceptable, especially for someone having everything they need to be successful and making $2.6M.

Apparently your goal is to finish in the top 5 of the conference. No need for ACC or NCAA tournament wins. 5th place is worth $2.6M... riiiiight.

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How do you know what I have or have not posted

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Nov 23, 2021, 3:10 PM
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over the last 12 years? You just joined TigerNet a few months ago.

Unless of course you previously had another account.

Tell us, have you ever had any other account(s) here?

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We've been over this numerous times.


Nov 23, 2021, 3:14 PM
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You can read Tigernet without a username.

You are well known for your hypocrisy. Your dodging and deflecting are once again noted.

Care to address the points? Didn't think so.

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Nov 23, 2021, 3:18 PM
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over the last 12 years? You just joined TigerNet a few months ago.

Unless of course you previously had another account.

Tell us, have you ever had any other account(s) here?


Yet more deflection with irrelevant questions

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Nov 23, 2021, 7:13 PM
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I don't understand why this argument has gone on for years. Every year Judge Keller posts something positive about Clemson basketball and then the floodgates open and everyone comes out of their hole to ##### and moan about that for some reason. I don't really understand why JK gets under everyone's skin so much. Is it just because they are a Brownell supporter? Because they seem to prefer Clemson basketball? Just the general tone of their posts?

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Dec 4, 2021, 12:40 PM
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It's that he has made himself the holy defender of Brad Brownell. I have no problem with someone supporting Brownell, but when you ignore any and all criticism of him like JK does, it gets annoying. I don't know why that is, but he made it part of his identity a long time ago. Just look at his avatar - not a picture of CBB on the Clemson sideline, but a yearbook picture from decades ago. It's weird.

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I like Clemson BB, I like Brownell and I like you but

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a lot of what you see on this board is a direct result of your not so humble posts.

BTW it would be nice to see you extend a little bit of this gracious attitude towards the football team and coaches otherwise I find it difficult to take your personal plea seriously. In fact, in light of the things you have posted this season concerning the football team this is more like a bad joke.

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a lot of what you see on this board is a direct result of your not so humble posts.

BTW it would be nice to see you extend a little bit of this gracious attitude towards the football team and coaches otherwise I find it difficult to take your personal plea seriously. In fact, in light of the things you have posted this season concerning the football team this is more like a bad joke.



I supported the Judge and CBB for a long time until I saw that the Judge is actually a tone deaf jerk. I still support CBB

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a lot of what you see on this board is a direct result of your not so humble posts.

BTW it would be nice to see you extend a little bit of this gracious attitude towards the football team and coaches otherwise I find it difficult to take your personal plea seriously. In fact, in light of the things you have posted this season concerning the football team this is more like a bad joke.



I supported the Judge and CBB for a long time until I saw that the Judge is actually a tone deaf jerk. I still support CBB

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^^^has a point about football...you seem to bend over

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Nov 22, 2021, 7:32 AM
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backwards to defend Brownell and the program, which I don't have a problem with since I too support Brownell and the program. However, when it comes to football you don't have much grace. It's almost like it is FB vs BB to you, I don't think it is but that is how it comes across.

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What have I said about the football team that you have a

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Nov 22, 2021, 2:51 PM
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problem with?

If you feel that I've been too hard on them, I'm happy to discuss those instances.

Otherwise, you're just coming across like a stereotypical Clemson football fan who gets butthurt anytime someone doesn't rave about our program.

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Cobbox on Brad Brownell: “His only problem is he has to deal with turd fans questioning every move he makes.”


You don't apply your rationale equally between the programs.

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Nov 22, 2021, 5:36 PM
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It's as simple as that.

Stop pretending Dabo was gifted a great program. He built the program. It comes down to coaching.

Brad has been given everything he needs to be successful. There hasn't been anything preventing him from getting players good enough to achieve at a higher level (greater than TWO tournament wins in 11 years), and it's up to him to build (have built) the program.

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Nov 22, 2021, 6:07 PM
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JK is so stuck on that narrative he doesn’t realize Brad Brownell’s staring salary as head coach was higher than Dabo’s first contract as head coach. He also ignores that at the first hint of success Dabo redirected money back into the program rather than a short term raise for himself. Brownell, whose salary has more than tripled as head coach, has chosen not to similarly invest in the program. The results of the two strategies are readily apparent.

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How many Tournament Wins did we have in the 11 years before

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Nov 22, 2021, 6:23 PM
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Brad got here? Fuckking ZERO?

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Nov 22, 2021, 9:19 PM
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Yes they were.
Could not shoot free throws, but the excitement put butts in the seats.

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Nov 22, 2021, 9:23 PM
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Don’t count the playin games. The others should count.

But also, you should count up the ACC tournament game wins and losses. How many made it out of the first round.

The ACC is really sad these days. I hate it. There was a time when the ACC was feared. Now, we have 1 team ranked .one frigging team.

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Nov 23, 2021, 12:49 PM
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CM Shack said:

Brad got here? Fuckking ZERO?




Here we go again. Why does that matter? Being better than bad is not good.

Bowden average about 7.5 wins a year and went 3-5 in bowl games. Highest finish in the polls was 14.

You think if Dabo averaged 8.5 wins a year, was 50/50 in bowls and had one top 10 season that he'd still be here? The goal of a coaching staff is bigger than just being better than the previous staff.

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Nov 22, 2021, 6:18 AM
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Is there a sign-up sheet?

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Nov 22, 2021, 6:56 AM
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CBB appears to be a very nice guy that runs a clean program. So was Tommy West. I am not giving up on the MBB team. But, at some point you have to say enough is enough. Coach K had a few rebuilding years before he turned Duke into a national powerhouse. CBB is starting his 12th season. How much more time does he need? You are misunderstanding the criticism. If people did not care, they would not hold CBB accountable. I am sorry to hear that the MBB team is suffering health issues. That seems to be the theme for Clemson athletics this semester. But no more excuses. CBB needs to have the team performing lights out this season or needs to be fired. The Clemson MBB team deserves the best.

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Well said.


Nov 22, 2021, 7:58 AM
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I’ve always kind of liked Brad and hoped for the best with him. But 12 years is a long time, and his program just seems to always be stuck in neutral.

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Do you feel that Brownell has the resources and support


Nov 22, 2021, 3:05 PM
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needed to have the level of success that you expect him to have?

Because I don't.

I believe we should strive to make the NCAA Tournament every year. To get an at-large bid, we need to finish in the top 35-40 (after accounting for automatic qualifiers from smaller conferences). Quite simply, we must ask ourselves if various aspects of our program are in the top 35-40 college basketball programs:

-History? Not top 35. In terms of program success, we are in the 65-75 range.
-Fan support? Not top 35. By attendance, we are around 70.
-Coaching investment? Not top 35. Brownell ranks around 50 in salary. Our assistant coaches are paid just below the national average, and given 350 division 1 teams, that puts them around 175.
-Recruiting classes? Our recruiting class we just signed is ranked 42.
-Facilities? Our facilities are probably around 35-40.

Based on all of these, we shouldn't expect to make the NCAA Tournament every year, yet we have made 2 of the last 3. I believe we will make it this year too. That tells me that our coaches and players are overachieving, in spite of their disadvantages.

If people want more for our basketball program, that's great! But those expectations should be based on something, not just the fact that they would like to see us win more. The investment in the program by the administration and fans must mirror those expectations.

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Cobbox on Brad Brownell: “His only problem is he has to deal with turd fans questioning every move he makes.”


Yes, he has all the resources and support he needs

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Nov 22, 2021, 5:49 PM
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Other coaches have done it at Clemson with MUCH LESS.

These things DO NOT WIN GAMES:

-History. Has nothing to do with X's and O's

-Fan support. Fans don't win games. If you are well coached, you can win games without any fans at all.

-Coaching investment. $2.6M is enough money to coach well. If he had $26M, would he coach better? No. If we paid the staff more money, would they coach better? I'm sure you're not trying to say Brad can't afford good coaches to supplement his method, right?

-Recruiting classes. We have had MORE THAN ENOUGH TALENT to win more than TWO TOURNAMENT GAMES in 11 years.

-Facilities. We have very nice facilities. I would guess they are nicer than "around 35-40", but regardless the facilities are very nice. Nothing in this category is keeping us from winning more than two tournament games in 11 years.

You are basically saying poor ol' Brad can't recruit players good enough because "history, fan support, coaching investment, and facilities, blah, blah, blah.." So you're saying it's the players?? Bullcrap. All of the things above, including players, are better than or on par with a plethora of teams who do better than us. None of those things you mentioned are preventing us from winning more games.

Your argument continues to fail. Sorry.

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Nov 22, 2021, 6:25 PM
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got too...What does that tell YOU guy?

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Nov 23, 2021, 6:05 AM
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Judge Keller, it has been a while but, look back on my post a year or two ago when I asked “ Does MBB have everything that it needs to be successful?.” Because to me, the buck stops with CBB. I say that because early on , SDS was continually asking for this and that because “Alabama has one.” The buck stops with the head coach. I have not seen CBB become vocal, emotional, or campaign for anything. The only thing I remember CBB emotionally talking about was the flip of Zion to Duke. My reading between the lines was dirty recruiting by others cost Clemson the Zion commitment. My question is what is Brad doing off of the court to pump up Clemson MBB?

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Nov 22, 2021, 7:11 AM
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????????????

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Nov 22, 2021, 7:22 AM
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Well said. I was at the games and they played very hard the entire time and very well for most of the time. It is a fun team that will win many conference games. St. Bonaventure looked like a Sweet Sixteen team and WVU can wear out a healthy team, much less a flu stricken team. Let’s rally behind this group!

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Nov 22, 2021, 7:44 AM
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Brad,

Has nothing to do with supporting the team, I was a Clemson basketball fan before I was a Clemson football fan. It’s about, after 12 years, it’s just the same old thing, teams who can’t shoot free throws and can’t hold leads late. Same coaching blunders for over a decade. It’s about wanting more for players and fans, and you only seem to be a Brownell fan. Unless you have a personal vested interest in Brownell staying here, there’s just no way you can be this blind.

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Hang on.

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Nov 22, 2021, 3:08 PM
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Did you just say that Brownell's teams consistently shoot free throws poorly and can't hold leads?

Care to show your work on that for the past 11+ years?

(Pro tip: Don't waste your time looking up the data, because you'll see that you are very wrong on both counts. Just admit that you're mistaken and let's move on.)

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Nov 22, 2021, 7:50 AM
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All my life the real season has started in January. A team becomes memorable in March. I don’t bail on the coach, never bail on the players, until the hay is in the barn. Another ACC tourney loss to a lower seed and a miss or one and done in the NCAA defines each season. The conference is weaker than at any point in my lifetime with 4 teams that would historically be Sweet 16 automatic picks just meandering along. Get it done in March and maybe the fans will show some grace to BB but he also has to show some passion to the fans when the calendar turns to 2022.

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Nov 22, 2021, 8:11 AM
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I love our players' hard play and support them completely. Our coach is a great guy, but only a 2.8 star coach, and especially in recruiting. Our AD and our board are not giving anything toward developing us into a great basketball team. 3 star players are great at times, but so often lack consistency. If we don't begin recruiting 4 star players, and occasionally a 5 star, we can generally expect nothing more than mediocrity. There has to be a change of staff, and the buck stops with the AD. Clemson must begin being serious about our basketball team. We can be great with the proper personnel.

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Nov 22, 2021, 8:23 AM
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I really enjoyed watching the Temple game. Thought they executed very well and hope they can build on early success. Game was fun to watch!

Cut down on turn overs, make free throws, and hold on leads.

It was disappointing to see more visiting fans than tiger fans.

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I hear ya but I've seen this movie and know how it ends...

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Nov 22, 2021, 8:56 AM
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Blowing double digit leads, numerous enforced errors (i.e., turnovers), lengthy scoring droughts, and pi$$ poor free throw shooting.

All of these have been common themes under the current head coach.

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Nov 22, 2021, 9:16 AM
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Actually, Brownell teams have typically not been bad about turnovers or free throw shooting if you look at the stats. Long scoring droughts, definitely.

However, this years team is indeed showing early signs that FT shooting and turnovers will be consistent issues

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Aside from this year's uncharacteristically poor free throw

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Nov 22, 2021, 3:12 PM
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shooting thus far, we have been a very good free throw shooting team under Brownell.

I posted about this last year, with a detailed season-by-season look at free throw shooting over the past 30 years. Brownell's teams shoot free throws far better than teams under prior coaching regimes.

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Brownell's teams shoot free throws far better than teams under prior coaching regimes.




Who cares? The only comparison that matters is how we do in comparison to current-day opponents. I'm not saying the argument is or is not valid, but comparing to prior coaching regimes is irrelevant.

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It's very relevant considering the fact that Clemson

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Nov 22, 2021, 4:02 PM
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basketball has historically been awful at free throw shooting, but has been drastically better under Brownell.

I realize that you don't want to acknowledge this, since it speaks positively of Brownell and his coaching.

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Nov 22, 2021, 4:14 PM
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Again...being better than bad is not a definition of success. You can't seem to understand that. It is completely irrelevant to compare free throw shooting of a team in 2021 to free throw shooting of a team in 2005 or 1996 or whatever year you are looking at. Nobody cares.

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Okay, so what is your barometer for success for Clemson basketball?

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Nov 22, 2021, 11:06 PM
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Mentioning teams from prior seasons isn’t relevant, per your rules.

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Nov 23, 2021, 7:20 AM
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I answered this for you at least 3 times last season when you were beating one of the 58 dead horses, and it hasn't changed. It certainly has nothing to do with FT%.

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Why don't you restate it for those such as Peppa Tiger

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Nov 23, 2021, 3:13 PM
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who have only been here a few months.

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Nothing needs to be stated again.


Nov 23, 2021, 3:21 PM
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Your transparent hypocrisy and use of canned excuses has been noted ad nauseum.

Maybe one day you'll admit the error of your ways and move on.

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Jeez I really don't get why these threads spiral so far out of control. Can't we all just yell for them to put the round orange ball in the weird hoops?

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Nov 22, 2021, 5:10 PM
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So - you say that BB coaching is what is driving FT% - which has been pretty good.
So - since you give him credit for that - are you willing to say our huge scoring gaps are also because of BB?
Can’t have it both ways.

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Nov 22, 2021, 5:11 PM
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So - you say that BB coaching is what is driving FT% - which has been pretty good.
So - since you give him credit for that - are you willing to say our huge scoring gaps are also because of BB?
Can’t have it both ways.

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Nov 22, 2021, 5:11 PM
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So - you say that BB coaching is what is driving FT% - which has been pretty good.
So - since you give him credit for that - are you willing to say our huge scoring gaps are also because of BB?
Can’t have it both ways.

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Coaching absolutely plays a role in how players shoot

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Nov 22, 2021, 11:11 PM
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whether we are talking about free throws, two point shots, three point shots, etc.

Obviously a lot of it is up to the players too. Coaches must help their team get good shots and work on shooting mechanics, and players must put in the work and execute so enough shots go in.

Keep in mind that the other team is doing all they can to prevent us from getting good shots.

I’m not sure why you are arguing this point. I’ve never claimed that scoring droughts have nothing to do with Brownell. However, I have stated that scoring droughts aren’t unique to Clemson, which should be obvious to anyone who watches basketball.

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Support for players - absolutely

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Nov 22, 2021, 10:23 AM
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Calling out the continued issues is harder to support.
Generally, the talent is there. (Nice to see). If they miss good shots - then it is what it is.
When after a time out - 6 players are put in a game - coaching. When players look confused at the end of half and end of game - coaching. When a play is not set up to get a shot up (and a backup in case well guarded) - coaching. Having frustrated players putting up a 3 - about 6-8 ft outside the arc - coaching.
It is not that we lost to the bonnies - it was not even getting a shot off.
It was not that we lost to WV - it was 6 players, confusion , lack of organization, passing the ball died, etc.
Shots go in or not, flu happens - that’s not the issue.
Support? Of course. Not speaking the obvious ? Another matter.

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Brad couldn’t even get out of November without forcing you to be nakedly hypocritical.

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I care! As a Clemson fan I want all athletic teams to do well. I realize it’s not rational to expect greatness from every team, but that is the goal.

My take is that Brad Brownell has not built upon his successful season! The final 8 run was impressive and my thoughts were that maybe that propels the Tigers into better recruits. Hasn’t happened, and appears that the round ball team will live in mediocrity and lose all big games until another coach/coaching style is introduced

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Nov 22, 2021, 11:07 AM
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You have turned me around. Even though I see us getting out coached which is the part that bothers me most, I will hang with them and not do another negative post on BB. I appreciate your plea as we all love Clemson

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Nov 22, 2021, 11:26 AM
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Careful, your hypocrisy is showing

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If you only showed this energy for the football team...

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I show plenty of energy in support of the football team.

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Nov 22, 2021, 3:18 PM
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I've enjoyed the many successes our team has had over the years during our incredible run, and have posted many many positive and supportive things during that span.

I have been critical of our offensive coaching this year, but I feel that it justified based on our elite talent on offense and elite coaching staff. There is no excuse for a team with those advantages to be ranked near the bottom of FBS in multiple offensive categories.

Nonetheless, my disgust with our level of underachieving on offense this season has not allowed me to call our coaches or players names or fail to support the team.

I'm sorry if you can't see the difference in the fair criticism I've posted about the football team at times this year, and the vitriol others have posted about our basketball team.

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"I have been critical of our offensive coaching this year, but I feel that it justified based on our elite talent on offense and elite coaching staff. There is no excuse for a team with those advantages to be ranked near the bottom of FBS in multiple offensive categories."

So you are saying we have elite receivers, running backs, and a QB, all available? And what about the OL? Beyond the QB, all of our highly recruited receivers have missed a bunch of time or are out for the season. The RBs are (2) freshmen and a sophomore.

And what about the MASH unit we've had at OL? What about the inexplicable play of the QB? Are these things needed to make the "elite talent on offense" perform up to their potential? Of course.

It's not coaching in football. Coaching has produced the UNPRECEDENTED SUCCESS we've seen in the last decade. The issues are QB play, minimal available plays from receivers, and OL continuity.

You don't hold basketball coaches to the same accountability as football coaches, and there are no excuses for it.

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Nov 22, 2021, 7:23 PM
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There are plenty of football posts on the football board.

You seem to have a problem focusing on basketball discussion. As is often the case, Clemson fans want to default to football. That’s exhibit A in terms of the problem here.

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Um, I'm replying to your football comments, and

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you're attempting to dodge the fact you make inconsistent statements in your opinions of football and basketball.

One program deserves to be called out for a failure to accomplish anything, and the other program does not. Yet you jump on the football program for one anomaly season where coaching is clearly not the issue, and you continue to defend the basketball program where the same poor coaching points arise again and again.

If you're going to blame football coaches for this anomaly year in football, then you absolutely must apply the same critiques to basketball ball where the evident issues are NOT an anomaly and actually the norm.

Two tournament wins in 11 years is completely unacceptable. Brad has had all that he needs to be successful and plenty of time to do something with it.

Please stop dancing and deflecting. Thanks.

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Nov 23, 2021, 3:17 PM
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because the resources and support for both sports is very different.

We have covered this previously, before you were here. LOL!

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Resources? Like what? The basketball program has great facilities and resources. More than innumerable teams doing better and more than enough to recruit players good enough to win more than 2 tournament games in 11 years.

Support? This has been slapped in your face numerous times. There is enough support to coach well and win games. Otherwise what "support" are you talking about and how does that "support" help a coach coach better?

Support and resources have not won a single game during Dabo's tenure. Excellent program building and coaching is what has produced the 2nd best program in the country over the last decade.

So again, Brad has had everything he needs to build a successful program at Clemson. A successful program at Clemson means more than 2 tournament wins in 11 years.

Stop running from it. Stop the hypocrisy. The success of a basketball program depends on coaching. In basketball, you don't need nation leading facilities to build a program capable of winning NCAA tournament games. There are dozens of teams who win games in the NCAA tournament but they don't have nearly the resources that Clemson does.

I hope like heck we succeed on a higher level than has been status quo under Brad. I'm rooting for him.. but this year is it. The data clearly shows his capabilities, and unless he expands on those capabilities this year then its time for him to move on.

Under what conditions would you suggest letting him go, and vice versa? He needs to make the tournament and win, or move on. Agreed?

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PeppaTiger said:

"I have been critical of our offensive coaching this year, but I feel that it justified based on our elite talent on offense and elite coaching staff. There is no excuse for a team with those advantages to be ranked near the bottom of FBS in multiple offensive categories."

So you are saying we have elite receivers, running backs, and a QB, all available? And what about the OL? Beyond the QB, all of our highly recruited receivers have missed a bunch of time or are out for the season. The RBs are (2) freshmen and a sophomore.

And what about the MASH unit we've had at OL? What about the inexplicable play of the QB? Are these things needed to make the "elite talent on offense" perform up to their potential? Of course.

It's not coaching in football. Coaching has produced the UNPRECEDENTED SUCCESS we've seen in the last decade. The issues are QB play, minimal available plays from receivers, and OL continuity.

You don't hold basketball coaches to the same accountability as football coaches, and there are no excuses for it.




This right here!!!!

JK doesn't #### on the men's BB team as he does football..

It takes a down year for him and the rest of the sewer dwellers to finally come out....

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Nov 22, 2021, 9:07 PM
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I've enjoyed the many successes our team has had over the years during our incredible run, and have posted many many positive and supportive things during that span.

I have been critical of our offensive coaching this year, but I feel that it justified based on our elite talent on offense and elite coaching staff. There is no excuse for a team with those advantages to be ranked near the bottom of FBS in multiple offensive categories.

Nonetheless, my disgust with our level of underachieving on offense this season has not allowed me to call our coaches or players names or fail to support the team.

I'm sorry if you can't see the difference in the fair criticism I've posted about the football team at times this year, and the vitriol others have posted about our basketball team.


Judge, do feel like that Coach Bender is the weak link in this coaching staff and could be replaced soon? Remember Coach Winiki was replaced a few years ago after making bad coaching decisions. See video. Bender was notified that they needed to get a starter out.

https://twitter.com/LarryWilliamsTI/status/1462778315979251718?s=20

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Nov 23, 2021, 7:17 PM
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I mean, a lot of Clemson fans vastly prefer football over basketball. Is it not equally okay for a Clemson fan to prefer basketball over football? What's so bad about that?

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I want nothing but the best for our players, but we're

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Nov 22, 2021, 12:22 PM
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already seeing same crap, different year from both you and CBB.

These last 2 games are prime examples of what we continue to see/complain about year over year. CBB teams rarely finish when challenged, and at some point you can't blame the players. There were very clear coaching issues down the stretch yesterday.

I hope he proves me wrong and have for many years now, but I'll believe it when I see it.

Until that point or when we make a change, I'll say it again....I wish nothing but the best to/for these student athletes and am behind them 1000%.

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Six players on the court was inexcusable

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and you'll never hear me argue otherwise.

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Nov 22, 2021, 6:02 PM
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I don’t think you understand what “inexcusable” means.

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I don’t think you’re a Clemson fan.

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Nov 22, 2021, 7:24 PM
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You come here to criticize other posters you don’t like, and that’s about it.

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Nov 22, 2021, 10:27 PM
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Good one from the guy that hates our successful programs and wants us to suck forever at basketball. Go on tell me how we didn’t pay Brownell enough to be successful when he made more than our football coach when we hired him.

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There really isn’t any point in discussing things with you.

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You’ve made it clear that your mind is made up about me and everything you think I believe.

You continue to make personal attacks and tell me what I think, despite my own statements and evidence to the contrary.

Again, you don’t seem interested in discussing anything me, and your post history shows that you want to criticize others more than you want to discuss Clemson sports.

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Nov 22, 2021, 2:49 PM
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You're a caricature of yourself at this point

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Nov 22, 2021, 4:35 PM
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Im not bailing. I thought they played really well for most of the game against Bonnie and WV and kind of faded down the stretch. I think if we have a few tweaks we can really win some games.

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Nov 22, 2021, 4:42 PM
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Sir…I can promise you that I will never bail on anything Clemson!!! Go Tigers!!!

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You won't see any true Clemson fans bailing on our team...


Nov 22, 2021, 6:24 PM
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We pull for them to win EVERY SINGLE GAME. But when they aren't put in a position to win in the final minute like they haven't been time after time it gets pretty frustrating. That's on the coaches.

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I’m curious to hear some examples of how they weren’t put

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in position to win the St. Bonaventure game.

We were down 3, and Honor was instructed to drive inside and try to attract a defender. If he did, he was supposed to kick it out for an open three, and if he didn’t attract attention, he was supposed to get a quick two so we could quickly foul. That’s the correct call in that game situation.

Brownell didn’t coach Honor to hesitate, then have to run out to the three point line to force up a contested three.

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Obviously he didn't coach Honor not to do that


Nov 23, 2021, 4:52 PM
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either. Always the player's fault.

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Someone??????

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Nov 22, 2021, 8:28 PM
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I will keep watching and cheering for the team. I'm not a Brownell fan, but I still love watching Clemson basketball, even if it's painful sometimes.

I just wish Brownell would stop constantly trying to temper expectations. I'd like him to get fired up about the direction of the program. If he wants us fired up and excited about the program, I'd like to see it from him. It's hard to remember a time when the feeling was "Look out we're coming"

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I think this is a fun team, a lot more potential due to the glimpses of offensive fire power we’ve seen flash through the first few games. Brownell has always been an excellent defensive coach and it looks like this year we might have the offense to go with it. We just have to figure out our leaders and who our go to guy or types of shots to take or movement we need when we are in a cold spell. I think we have the ingredients for the cake, just have to have the chef mix them correctly and bake it. Last year we were missing one or two offensive pierces from being really good and it out guys in spots they shouldn’t have been in and in basketball in particular that’s the difference between good and great and even good and elite. I like what I’ve seen.

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Nov 22, 2021, 10:38 PM
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Good post. Love the round ball.
I will always root on the Tigers. So ready for them to turn the corner.

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Nov 22, 2021, 11:18 PM
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Holy hail, the pot that called the kettle black. Please stick by this team and be positive? I completely agree but seems ironic coming from you. I will support the team because they are a good team and deserve support from true Clemson fans but not because the eager football basher asked me to.

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Wow, sensitive much?

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You are a great example of the hypocrisy here. It’s okay to bash basketball ruthlessly and unfairly, even making up stuff in the process, but it’s not okay to express frustration with the football team for going from preseason playoff lock to out of the top 25 and one of the worst offenses in college football. Nope, that’s being overly critical and not supporting the team!

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Nov 22, 2021, 11:37 PM
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Find one single post where I posted negatively about the basketball team. Actually your post was perfect, just oddly ironic. All teams need our support.

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I wasn’t referring to your posts specifically.

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It was a general comment about the ridiculousness here.

I apologize for not communicating that well.

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Np, I am just of the belief that neither should be "bashed." Not okay for BB either. That was sort of my point. Someone who seems to enjoy bashing football asking people not to bash basketball.

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My intention is not to bash football.

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I love Clemson football and am proud of our success.

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lol. Where you sitting Saturday boss? I’ll come buy you a drink and we can hash out our differences.

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Nov 22, 2021, 11:52 PM
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I will wait for your rebuttal on how I am the perfect example of hypocrisy for pointing out the irony in your hypocrisy.

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Nov 22, 2021, 11:42 PM
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I was on the Judge Keller bandwagon last cbb season but lost a bit of respect for you this fb season. I will continue to be on your side to support Clemson basketball. Sensitive? Look in the mirror. Hurt your feelings that I said that the team was good? Or that I would support them? Or because I point out the irony of a fan asking for support for a team after a couple of losses and that fan having posted HUNDREDS of nonsupportive fb messages. Just saying.

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how long before it is ok to fire coaches and beat down


Nov 23, 2021, 3:20 PM
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players on the internets?

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Nov 23, 2021, 3:46 PM
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Leave the players out of it - this coaching staff does not have a clue on how to FINISH games!!!!

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I look forward to watching them - looks like they have some spark for sure.

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A poll on here of those that have attended a TGR BB game would sadly expose a low percentage.

So I'm with you Judge K, to those who haven't been to the bull fight, then they shouldn't misjudge the bulls.

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