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Tiger Titan [51279]
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It stinks that our basketball program will only get 11% of revenue share.
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Jul 9, 2025, 10:20 AM
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As noted by nctigs recently, basketball programs at other schools will get 20%. Brad said that this will make things very difficult for our program, as that represents a significant funding deficit.
I understand that football is our cash cow, our most popular sport, and our most important sport. But we can't claim to want to be a consistently good basketball program and then do stuff like this.
Super frustrating!
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How much will softball get?***
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Jul 9, 2025, 10:22 AM
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Tiger Titan [51279]
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I don't know.
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Jul 9, 2025, 10:25 AM
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Is softball a major and profitable sport like men's basketball?
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Ultimate Tiger [33998]
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I dunno.. is it? Seems to draw a good crowd
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Jul 9, 2025, 10:36 AM
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Bringing in revenue.
Constantly makes deep post season runs . Does that get more money like in football with bowl games?
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Tiger Titan [51279]
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No, softball is not a major sport nor does it make money.***
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Jul 9, 2025, 12:20 PM
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Re: No, softball is not a major sport nor does it make money.***
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Jul 9, 2025, 12:29 PM
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Basketball will always play second fiddle to the football team. We have never been a power in basketball and don’t think we will be. I love to make a run like elite 8 now and again but reason we have only made it to the elite 8 twice ever! Go Tigers!!
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Tiger Titan [51279]
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I understand that and Im fine with that.
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Jul 9, 2025, 10:27 PM
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But I’m not okay with it being more of a second fiddle than it needs to be.
If other schools who also care a lot about football are devoting 15-20% of revenue share to basketball, why can’t we? Why are we only at 11%?
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Ultimate Tiger [35896]
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Re: I understand that and Im fine with that.
Jul 10, 2025, 1:16 AM
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Brad's doing an adequate job already with what he's getting now for MBB and the extra ca$h for football will have a much greater ROI.
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Re: No, softball is not a major sport nor does it make money.***
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Jul 9, 2025, 6:36 PM
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From what I can tell Clemson basketball usually breaks even in revenue generated vs expenses while softball makes around 50K. So if we give more money to the basketball program we will be losing money.
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Re: No, softball is not a major sport nor does it make money.***
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Jul 9, 2025, 9:09 PM
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Go Tiger Softball! Let’s continue to increase that investment and maybe the profits will increase.
Also , I know they have few “meets” “Competitions” (whatever ) and I’m relatively sure tickets aren’t really expensive but it is crazy how Gymnastics puts sooo many butts in Little John.
Go Tiger Gymnastics!!
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Re: No, softball is not a major sport nor does it make money.***
Jul 10, 2025, 9:04 AM
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If you are reference the BBall portion, see my post below.
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Re: No, softball is not a major sport nor does it make money.***
Jul 10, 2025, 7:35 PM
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Just Google it. It's not that hard to find this kind of stuff today.
I think google must have banned Nova for being too obvious
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All-In [10968]
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Basketball lost almost $730k, gymnastics made over $300k, and softball broke
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Jul 10, 2025, 8:24 PM
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even.
Hmm, looks like your boyfriend isn’t making any money for Clemson is spite of his unwarranted salary. He should pay the $730k out of pocket.
Judge.
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Re: No, softball is not a major sport nor does it make money.***
Jul 10, 2025, 1:25 PM
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This year it looks like softball and basketball both broke even. Idk how accurate any of the number are though. Seems like football is Clemsons only money maker which is expected.
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All-In [10968]
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Thats not correct sir. Basketball lost almost $730k. Softball broke even.
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Jul 10, 2025, 8:22 PM
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Ladies gymnastics made over $300k.
The basketball is draining athletic funds. No ROI.
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Jul 9, 2025, 8:41 PM
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How about gymnastics?!?! They draw good crowds, have a lot of excitement around the program, and are likely to win conference and or national championships within 15 years.
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Re: No, softball is not a major sport nor does it make money.***
Jul 10, 2025, 1:27 PM
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During its first season of competition, Clemson gymnastics generated $319,106 in ticket sales revenue (second among women’s teams, trailing only softball). Gymnastics also accounted for the most “gameday” revenue (game programs, novelties, parking and concessions) of any of the 12 women’s teams, generating $52,697.
Read more at: https://www.thestate.com/sports/college/acc/clemson-university/article300148619.html#storylink=cpy
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Re: I don't know.
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Jul 9, 2025, 11:28 AM
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You think basketball is profitable?
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Re: How much will softball get?***
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Jul 9, 2025, 11:43 AM
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Softball and baseball will get about 1 percent that will pay for all scholarships.
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Orange Phenom [14358]
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Re: How much will softball get?***
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Jul 9, 2025, 2:51 PM
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Pretty sure I saw Baseball will get 3% and Softball will share another 3% with other sports. Showed softball players getting $3500-ish each. Women's bball was not included in the 3%, I think they .5-1%.
MBB was averaging the most $$ per player at around $150k avg. Football players were avg $85k but obviously some players will get more than others.
Pretty sure these are close to the numbers I saw week or so ago.
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Re: How much will softball get?***
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Jul 9, 2025, 4:05 PM
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Do you happen to have a link to these numbers. This sounds reasonable based on what Neff has said. I know everyone has their favorite sports but imo, I think some are jumping the gun with their emotions.
First, we don't know what sports other teams have. Maybe they don't have soccer 🤔 . Think about it if we didn't have soccer? We could probably do the 20% to bball. Most DON'T have lacrosse.
I'm not sure what people expect Neff to do. We're taking a different approach than some other schools. We're taking about 3 million that will go towards helping All of the sports. So that leaves 18 mil.
Also, we're taking some of the money from the leftover 18 million and giving most every sport, not f&track or rowing (they carry about 80 athletes) and giving full scholarships. That's a big deal and it sends the right message... Clemson cares about academics. Let's wait and see what these other schools do.
Obviously nctigs and judge would get butthurt thinking bball is getting shafted. But as Neff said, he's basing this off what sports generate money. I'm positive he's NOT taking money away from bball. Everyone needs to remember, some of the athletes will still get nil. So I can't think of a more fair way to distribute it than what we're doing.
I'm sure T_I_P would love more to go to tennis. Unfortunately, you can't do it that way. So there will likely be protests and lawsuits from other schools... but I doubt any will be from Clemson.
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Wouldnt want to consider not having soccer.
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Jul 9, 2025, 7:19 PM
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Clemson soccer is great and Coach Noonan is bad ace! Give him everything he asks for and let the championships keep rolling in!
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Orange Phenom [14358]
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Re: Wouldnt want to consider not having soccer.
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Jul 10, 2025, 12:49 AM
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Soccer, tennis, golf, volleyball, softball were sharing the 3%
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Jul 10, 2025, 12:50 AM
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Will see if I can find it. It might have been a P&C article but I dont remember exactly.
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Does BB bring in 11% of the revenue?***
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Jul 9, 2025, 10:35 AM
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Ultimate Tiger [33998]
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There's a site out there that reports this kinda
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Jul 9, 2025, 10:40 AM
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Stuff. I forget what it is called.
But the last time I looked the general theme was.
Football was well into the black. Cost the most money but also brought in the most money.
Mens basketball and baseball were just barely in the black.
All other sports were in the red.
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Re: Does BB bring in 11% of the revenue?***
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Jul 9, 2025, 10:44 AM
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Basketball lost 727,000 dollars last year. Generated around 10.9 million and spent 11.7
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Ultimate Tiger [33998]
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That is Super frustrating
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Jul 9, 2025, 10:53 AM
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Greatest team ever.
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Rival Killer [2737]
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Re: That is Super frustrating
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It was a veery exciting team. The end doesn’t change that. Teams get upset in round 1 every single year. Our fans just love to act like we are supposed to always win. This program has never received the support it deserves and should be grateful we even sniff the tourney with our lack of fan support
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Rival Killer [3048]
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of course it is the nature of the beast,
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Jul 9, 2025, 11:35 AM
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but the final two games really put a damper on the amazing season. beating North Carolina, Duke, and Kentucky the same season was very cool.
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Ultimate Tiger [33998]
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It's still Super frustrating that the greatest
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Jul 9, 2025, 12:06 PM
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"Clemson baskeball team ever" didn't really end up winning anything and lost money to boot.
Well, clemson can add 2024 to the Tournament appearance banner. So that is something.
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All-In [10968]
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Well yeah, they lost money because Brad doesnt make enough
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Jul 9, 2025, 12:26 PM
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and the facilities suck and the fans suck.
It has nothing to do with the product 😉
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Maybe if we had had better coaching the last 16 years... or actually won
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ANYTHING... we wouldn't be in this position.
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Re: Maybe if we had had better coaching the last 16 years... or actually won
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Expenses: The team's expenses were significantly higher, totaling $11.7 million. Net Loss: The difference between revenue and expenses resulted in a net loss of approximately $727,000. Overall Athletics: While the men's basketball program experienced a loss, the entire Clemson athletic program saw a net profit of $12 million. This was largely driven by the football program, which generated $76.8 million in revenue against $66.7 million in expenses, resulting in a profit of $10.1 million.
Football is our only profitable sport… Google it…
It carries the athletic department..
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Re: Maybe if we had had better coaching the last 16 years... or actually won
Jul 9, 2025, 6:38 PM
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Looks like softball made money. Not much but they were in the positive.
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Re: It stinks that our basketball program will only get 11% of revenue share.
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Jul 9, 2025, 11:24 AM
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I would rather be great at one sport (football) than good at a number of sports. If consolidating revenue to focus on football gets us back to greatness, which with recent changes made by CDS seems very likely, then I think it’s the right way to go.
I’d love to see basketball do well and make deep runs, but not at the expense of the football program. Its tricky with title 9 because of the offsets to the male sports, so it’s not like we can just take money from softball or field hockey to raise the % share for basketball
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Re: It stinks that our basketball program will only get 11% of revenue share.
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Jul 9, 2025, 11:25 AM
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Please provide a link that documents which schools are paying 20% to their basketball programs.
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Re: It stinks that our basketball program will only get 11% of revenue share.
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Jul 9, 2025, 11:47 AM
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Please provide a link that documents which schools are paying 20% to their basketball programs.
Just look it up on Google
It is only the top Bkball programs like blue bloods that will get 20 percent.
Most other programs who emphasize football a lot it will be 15 percent. 15 percent is about $2.7 million. 11 percent is right at $2 million.
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All-In [10968]
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I think the lady said it was *most*. Can you list them ?
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Jul 9, 2025, 12:30 PM
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Most is a lot.
Off you’re talking about schools where basketball IS the cash cow, then that’s not relevant to us.
The money excuse is invalid. Period. The lady is simply already setting for another step backwards.
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Re: It stinks that our basketball program will only get 11% of revenue share.
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Jul 9, 2025, 11:42 AM
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As noted by nctigs recently, basketball programs at other schools will get 20%. Brad said that this will make things very difficult for our program, as that represents a significant funding deficit. I understand that football is our cash cow, our most popular sport, and our most important sport. But we can't claim to want to be a consistently good basketball program and then do stuff like this. Super frustrating!
No it's the basketball type blue bloods who get 20 percent. Other more type football programs get 15 percent. I do expect Neff to make that up somewhere down the road.
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Again, please share some data
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Jul 9, 2025, 9:06 PM
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So far you’ve said nothing but biased guesses.
Please making those silly comments like they’re fact.
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There it is...
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The pre-excuse.
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Re: It stinks that our basketball program will only get 11% of revenue share.
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Jul 9, 2025, 12:07 PM
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I don't see specifics for any school posted. Where's a list or an article about schools giving 20% and what schools are those? What schools are doing 15%?
These articles are based on models and guesses, not actual committed decisions by school. It seems everyone is just assuming without facts.
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Re: It stinks that our basketball program will only get 11% of revenue share.
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Jul 9, 2025, 12:27 PM
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I don't see specifics for any school posted. Where's a list or an article about schools giving 20% and what schools are those? What schools are doing 15%?
These articles are based on models and guesses, not actual committed decisions by school. It seems everyone is just assuming without facts.
Here is info on what Aunurn is doing. Also googled Alabama and other SEC and other power schools. Most are doing the 15 percent-
"After the reduction, each SEC institution has $18 million in revenue to share with its student-athletes. Schools may allocate their $18 million to sports as it sees fit. In the settlement, back-pay damages are apportioned 75 percent to football, 15 percent to men's basketball and 10 percent to other sports. While Auburn has not publicly announced how it will apportion its $18 million, it appears Auburn will mimic the settlement model like most SEC schools"
At link: https://247sports.com/college/auburn/article/a-look-at-how-auburn-plans-to-handle-the-future-of-college-athletics-heading-into-2025-26-251306311/
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Re: It stinks that our basketball program will only get 11% of revenue share.
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Again...that's 247sports assuming, speculating, that Auburn will follow a model based on back-pay damages in the suit.
That is in no way a confirmation that Auburn will split money that way.
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Re: It stinks that our basketball program will only get 11% of revenue share.
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Jul 9, 2025, 11:53 AM
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If anything it should be lower.
We are a football/futbol school!
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Re: It stinks that our basketball program will only get 11% of revenue share.
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Jul 9, 2025, 11:56 AM
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Also here is info on where Clemson getting the 11 percent of revenue sharing for basketball. Again, Neff will work on the difference from NIL collective. Link:
https://x.com/LarryWilliamsTI/status/1940841542350147905
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*its going to be hard to compete*
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This man is clueless and already setting up for failure.
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now brad will have a built in excuse
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Jul 9, 2025, 12:04 PM
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when the team flops
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it's never his fault. That 11% will just be $2 million wasted. Like usual.
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Re: It stinks that our basketball program will only get 11% of revenue share.
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Jul 9, 2025, 12:12 PM
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This makes a lot of sense, or may even be a little high. There were 17 players on our basketball roster this year. There will be 105(?) players on the football roster. You don’t have to be a stellar mathematician to see that, just because of the number of players and coaches on each team, the football program should get somewhere in the neighborhood of 6 times what the basketball program gets. I know that sound logic like this doesn’t fit in your agenda, but it makes sense. Actually, basketball may be getting more than its fair share. Now stop whining.
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Re: It stinks that our basketball program will only get 11% of revenue share.
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More production should equate to more money. We are no where close to a blue blood 20 percent type basketball program. If we were a blue blood not so sure Brownell would be running the program. Not knocking him but he is no blue blood coach.
Jury is still out on Bakich imo. I like the guy but can’t lose regionals on your home field. Not once but twice consecutively. And move the bull pen. That is the stupidest idea and I’m guessing it was his. Turned into an embarrassment on national tv with drunk college kids berating the pitchers like they were 5 years old. Would have expected that if I was watching a SC game.
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All-In [10968]
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The basketball program has MORE THAN ENOUGH MONEY.
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I see you making excuses for another step backwards.
Why did we fall from elite?
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Re: It stinks that our basketball program will only get 11% of revenue share.
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Eleven percent of what amount? What area of basketball is not getting what it needs? I want all of Clemson’s sports to get the funding that they need but, right now I haven’t seen the actual numbers. For example, is Duke going to be able to fully fund the how many millions that is allowed to be allocated? In other words, is Duke basketball getting 20% of a smaller number?
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Re: It stinks that our basketball program will only get 11% of revenue share.
Jul 9, 2025, 12:48 PM
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Eleven percent of what amount? What area of basketball is not getting what it needs? I want all of Clemson’s sports to get the funding that they need but, right now I haven’t seen the actual numbers. For example, is Duke going to be able to fully fund the how many millions that is allowed to be allocated? In other words, is Duke basketball getting 20% of a smaller number?
On TOS for Clemson it indicated 11 percent is $2 million, 15 percent is about $2.7 million. 20 percent for big-time basketball programs is probably around $3.2-3.5 million. Everyone also will have more NIL coming in.
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Waiting on *most****
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Jul 9, 2025, 1:12 PM
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Re: It stinks that our basketball program will only get 11% of revenue share.
Jul 9, 2025, 12:40 PM
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Perhaps we could put Brad on commission...That would save a lot...
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I'm cool with it
Jul 9, 2025, 12:48 PM
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A. I'm not trusting anyone's estimates for how much other schools are allocating to each sport. We're on 8 days into the new operating model; there's no way anyone knows exactly what each school is allocating. Other than UK and Vandy there's no way any SEC school is overindexing into basketball at the expense of football roster management
B. Even if your assertions are true I'm good with it. Football is more important; period, end of story, full stop.
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Re: It stinks that our basketball program will only get 11% of revenue share.
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Jul 9, 2025, 12:52 PM
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Is that not basically the same percentage percentage player? Much smaller roster
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Re: It stinks that our basketball program will only get 11% of revenue share.
Jul 9, 2025, 1:01 PM
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Is that not basically the same percentage percentage player? Much smaller roster
Yes, good point. It comes out about the same especially when you look at 15 percent. Again you can make up that difference with NIL. I think a lot of coaches still questioning how this is going to work when it got crazy with just NIL. There will still be cheating more because everything now would have to go through clearing house.
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Re: It stinks that our basketball program will only get 11% of revenue share.
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Jul 9, 2025, 1:36 PM
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11% is too much! Clemson proved they werent serious about basketball when they extended ole Brad again, just give them 5% and accept medicocrity and postseason failures that are his MO over a 16 year stay.
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Re: It stinks that our basketball program will only get 11% of revenue share.
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Jul 9, 2025, 1:40 PM
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Don't get hung up on numbers until all the coming law suits over unequal funding play out.
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Re: It stinks that our basketball program will only get 11% of revenue share.
Jul 9, 2025, 1:58 PM
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What lawsuit?
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Re: It stinks that our basketball program will only get 11% of revenue share.
Jul 9, 2025, 2:05 PM
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Just for reference MBB at Clemson loses on average 2 million per year
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Re: It stinks that our basketball program will only get 11% of revenue share.
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Jul 9, 2025, 2:06 PM
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With losses like McNeese and Morehead I would give them 1% for the 1% they gave.
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I wish it could be more, but honestly sounds about right
Jul 9, 2025, 2:23 PM
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If you base allocation on roster size it's proportional between football(105) and basketball(15). As I recall, Clemson was allocating based on revenue... ~85% football, 11% men's basketball, 4% all other sports. This was, at least partially, due to possible legal challenges.
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Re: It stinks that our basketball program will only get 11% of revenue share.
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Jul 9, 2025, 2:27 PM
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Just a thought. Give softball and baseball some of the basketball money. Both sports have proven to be much more successful than basketball. Where will basketball be in 10 years? According to many basketball needs more money to be successful. Well if it's not going to have enough why bother to waste money on it? Make a business decision and let's win a bunch of championships in baseball and softball.
This want go over well.. Lol.
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Brad should make up the difference with his salary, especially if he loses
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Jul 9, 2025, 2:31 PM
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to coots again.
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Re: It stinks that our basketball program will only get 11% of revenue share.
Jul 9, 2025, 8:14 PM
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Judge sadly a majority of our fans just "don't get it" that basketball is important nationwide. Just like Duke and UNC fans (despite Coach Belichick) don't get the importance of football.I like ALL of our sports but the fact is baseball and softball are NOT on the level of college basketball !! I'm not sure it will ever change at Clemson sad to say.
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Re: It stinks that our basketball program will only get 11% of revenue share.
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Jul 9, 2025, 8:57 PM
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Here are the rev share allocations as confirmed by John Blau, Larry Williams in published interviews/articles. Neff has already confirmed the 150 new scholarships exceed the $2.5M cap on scholarships that must be subtracted from the rev share cap per the House Settlement: $20.5M - 2.5M = $18M rev share baseline cash available Football gets 86% —> $15.5M Basketball get 11% —> $2M Everyone else gets 3% remaining rev share —> $500K
If Clemson’s 110 Society (now being rolled into IPTAY) gets aggressive in fund raising, there are creative ways to structure institutional NIL in a way that Brownell can take advantage of his Courtside Club donors to pass the NIL Go clearinghouse. I expect they will get that figured out by next school year. This year I think the available NIL was built into front loaded deals to avoid the start of the new NIL rules on July 1st.
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Re: It stinks that our basketball program will only get 11% of revenue share.
Jul 9, 2025, 8:53 PM
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I could see 13-15 being somewhat justified...but 20 is throwing away good $...if it we me i would start at 13 for him and then have a cap of 15 depending on a final four appearance...just my 3 cents
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Re: It stinks that our basketball program will only get 11% of revenue share.
Jul 9, 2025, 9:09 PM
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Folks really haven’t been informed about how the 150 new scholarships are impacting the available rev share cash funds. It will interesting to see if they adjust that in future years. Does football need to offer scholarships beyond 85. Does softball and baseball really benefit in recruiting by providing full scholarships for the entire roster? So far baseball doesn’t seem to be finding that working so well for portal players. —- In case you aren’t familiar with the scholarship rev share impact, here’s the NCAA Q&A for the House Settlement that clarifies (see pg 20):
https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/governance/d1/legislation/2024-25/June2025D1Gov_PhaseThreeInstSetQuestionandAnswer.pdf
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I dont expect us to devote 20% to mens basketball.
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Jul 9, 2025, 10:35 PM
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Nor do I think we should.
But 15% seems reasonable when schools like Alabama and Auburn are doing it.
I’ll be curious to see how many other schools who claim to care about basketball are only devoting 11% to it.
This is yet another example of how subpar support for basketball at Clemson has the potential to drive the narrative that we simply don’t care much about it. This hurts recruiting, media coverage, etc.
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Re: I dont expect us to devote 20% to mens basketball.
Jul 10, 2025, 12:48 PM
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Sticking with Brad Brownell for nearly two decades tells you everything you need to know about how much a priority basketball is. Why are you complaining now? This is the bed you’ve spent that time begging for.
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Re: It stinks that our basketball program will only get 11% of revenue share.
Jul 9, 2025, 11:01 PM
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Nil and Iptay will cover the gap in revenue, so don’t worry about it affecting your personal pay!
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Re: It stinks that our basketball program will only get 11% of revenue share.
Jul 9, 2025, 11:21 PM
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Talk about whining
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Re: It stinks that our basketball program will only get 11% of revenue share.
Jul 9, 2025, 11:56 PM
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Chapel Fowler was on the Rob Brown Show and I agree what Chapel Fowler said. Coach Brownell probably got some attention of some high level donors. All will be fine. Listen at link:
https://youtu.be/znDRjfnvzgA?si=1VMdf3bHY5pOp9nI
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Re: It stinks that our basketball program will only get 11% of revenue share.
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Jul 10, 2025, 12:23 PM
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I love Clemson Basketball, like all other Tiger sports, but Brad, whom I like, seems to be using the 11% excuse as another excuse why we do not compete better at the national level. I think I would have kept my mouth shut and be thankful that although they lost money, they were getting the second largest cut.
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Re: It stinks that our basketball program will only get 11% of revenue share.
Jul 10, 2025, 7:32 PM
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Also remember Neff is a member of the CSC board defining these NIL oversight criteria.
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Dude, we compete more at the national level now than ever before.
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Jul 10, 2025, 11:46 PM
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Brad doesn’t need excuses.
But he does need a university and fan base that give a crap and want to provide reasonable revenue share for basketball.
A paltry 11% isn’t it, no matter how many football first fans here try to believe that it is.
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Re: It stinks that our basketball program will only get 11% of revenue share.
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Jul 10, 2025, 11:23 PM
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lol. You managed to lie about virtually every facet of this post. It isn’t what NCTigs posted, not what Brad said, and not out of line with what other schools are doing. Well played “Clemson fan”.
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Living rent free in your head is very satisfying.***
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