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I don’t understand this lust to join SEC
Jul 20, 2022, 2:35 PM
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Naturally, these are just my thoughts, but I personally think the SEC and the Big Ten are doing nothing but destroying themselves. What I mean is that if college football eventually goes the path Coach Swinney was talking about yesterday, “conferences” will be as meaningless as “divisions” are in MLB/NBA/NFL. Sure, winning a division gets a playoff spot, but what else? No one really gives a crap about “Whoooo Hoooo, we won our division!!” All that matters is getting in the playoff. With this new landscape of college football, it will be the same and winning conferences will be nothing more than a glorified talking point, especially if the school doesn’t win the national title.
The SEC is rather weird in that many of its member “fans” chant “SEC! SEC!” at football games. I heard this silliness attending the Clemson/South Carolina game in 2009. I told my wife that was beyond lame. When college football goes to this “upper crust” division, no one will care about “conference titles.” It will be irrelevant. All anyone will care about will be the National Title, just like the pros are only obsessed with the World Series/Finals/Super Bowl. So, chanting “SEC!, SEC!” will prove to be even more lame than it already is, especially if an “SEC” team doesn’t win the whole thing.
Frankly, I think Coach Swinney was right. In this new landscape of college football, it will be all about the SCHOOL. These teams affiliated with a super conference will get more money from TV/Streaming deals, but what will any of that matter if it’s still Ohio State and Alabama every year, just like it is now? Mississippi State, South Carolina, Illinois, and Northwestern, etc. may get $100 million very year, but when that happens they’ll certainly be richer “also rans,” but they’ll still just be the same “also rans.” Schools like USC, Ohio State, Alabama, Oklahoma, and Texas will still beat up on the Vanderbilts and Minnesotas. It will still be about the school and if you can actually sell it, not the conference. So, Coach Swinney is correct in that regard, and Coach Clawson is correct in what he said today. If there isn’t a way to regulate the game, it will become nothing more than what it is now with a few schools dominating each year. Conferences and “conference pride” will mean nothing.
P.S. I really do not understand this obsession with joining the SEC. Even though I think conference titles and conference “prestige” will be irrelevant in the new model, let’s pretend it is not and winning the conference is still important and a celebrated thing. If people think Clemson is treated poorly in the ACC, they will be treated even worse by the SEC. The knock on Clemson has always been “they’re an SEC school in a basketball league.” They’re do chicken doo doo to play in a “real man’s” conference. I’d say the majority of those SEC homers have never had any respect for Clemson, and they think just that way. For example, I remember reading an article about something or another, several years ago, by everyone’s favorite football journalist ??????, Tony Barnhart. It was something about Clemson, but I remember him writing something like, “Clemson has nothing but a mediocre history in football with the exception of a stretch in the 1980s produced only by cheating.” Now, this article was written prior to Dabo, but that’s how those SEC homers look at Clemson. The grief Clemson would catch would be far worse than anything our friends in Greensboro ever gave. If we thought the refereeing bias was bad in ACC, it will pale in comparison to the bias against Clemson in that conference. Upper South schools left that conference in 1953 for a reason. I’ve always liked that. I would hate to see our Tigers have to go crawling back to it. No thank you, SEC. Clemson proud, not SEC proud. That’s what I hope will happen.
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Survival***
Jul 20, 2022, 2:36 PM
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Destroying themselves he says
Jul 20, 2022, 3:48 PM
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More like destroying everyone who doesn’t join a super conference…
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Re: I don’t understand this lust to join SEC
Jul 20, 2022, 2:52 PM
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Big Chief you make a lot of good points and I agree with most, but if South Carolina, for example is bringing in $40 million to $50 million per year more than us at some point the gap between us will narrow whether because they pay players & coaches more plus can have better facilities etc... The money difference will matter over time.
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Re: I don’t understand this lust to join SEC
Jul 20, 2022, 2:53 PM
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It's all about the dollar$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. The rest is just window dressing. And yes, collegiate football is never going to be the same. Programs with the most cash and biggest donor support will run everything. Like it or not, we need to be at the table.
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It's the "fear of being left out/behind" to where we........
Jul 20, 2022, 2:58 PM
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won't be relevant anymore. Where we won't have an opportunity to make the playoffs anymore, etc.
I can see some advantages to joining the SEC, for example, but there also negatives as well.
It's time to take a breath and focus on this upcoming season and then see where things stand.
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How can we be commended by ESPiN if..
Jul 20, 2022, 2:59 PM
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we don't join the SEC? Think of all the games we lost but would have won had we been in the SEC. Heck, DJ would have gotten the Heisman had Clemson been in the SEC. He might have been ranked in the top ten QBs of the season last year.
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Re: How can we be commended by ESPiN if..
Jul 20, 2022, 3:28 PM
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Very true, sir. Very true indeed. ??????
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Re: How can we be commended by ESPiN if..
Jul 20, 2022, 4:36 PM
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I think that’s a bit of a stretch .. Heisman? Thanks to lowly Duke, we weren’t last in offense in the conference and unsure if he cracked the top 50 in QB’s.
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Here, I'll sum it up..would you rather have (a) a coupon
Jul 20, 2022, 3:01 PM
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for a hardee's big twin sandwich or 1,000,000 in cash......SEC is 1,000,000 in cash
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Re: Here, I'll sum it up..would you rather have (a) a coupon
Jul 20, 2022, 3:47 PM
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Well, if I was starving to death with nothing to eat and nothing to buy, the Big Twin goes down easier than the $1 million. ????. And, I’m just kidding with you. I would never belittle a Spartanburg man. ??
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you're one of the few that got the sparkle city reference
Jul 20, 2022, 4:52 PM
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You don't understand the "lust" for $$$$$?
Jul 20, 2022, 3:09 PM
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This is what drives our country. In the college sports realm, the disparity in revenue between the B1G/SEC and everyone else is very big now and is about to explode. When you count all things media, schools in those conferences will be looking at up to $125MM/year. Those left out will be lucky to get half of that.
The big 2 conferences will be able to afford the best facilities and easily fund their entire athletic budgets and the full range of men's and women's sports without sweating. Another thing: Not all of the TV money will be spent on sports. Other university activities will benefit.
While it clearly won't be gloom and doom for everyone else, good luck to those left outside this duopoly.
I hope this makes it plain enough for you.
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Re: You don't understand the "lust" for $$$$$?
Jul 20, 2022, 3:44 PM
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Sure, there will be lots of money. I understand that. However, if “winning titles” is what a fan base seeks, like this one, it will still only be a handful of schools who will consistently play for all the marbles, regardless of the money intake. A school might have lots of money, but they still won’t win without excellent recruiting/coaching/campus atmosphere. Schools that have struggled in mediocrity for years will still be the same old thing. Sure, they’ll have money, but it won’t translate into much if they aren’t led right.
But, my point, and my apologies if I didn’t explain it well enough, is there seems to be a genuine vibe of “oh boy, I sure hope we can be in the mighty SEC. Then, we will be sitting at the cool kids’ table at lunch.” That’s the part I don’t understand. I know there are some fans on the board who understand the money aspect, but they have the mentality of “I’ll hold my nose and be willing to join the SEC. However, there is another element who genuinely seem gleeful at the prospect of disbanding the ACC, to join the SEC, and I cannot understand that part. Clemson will NEVER be considered worthy of the “cool” lunch table by the SEC homers. I don’t want to give those jokers the satisfaction. In other words, I don’t want our fan base to come across like Shamecock fans who ride the “SEC! SEC!” sickening mantra. I love the Clemson Tigers. I always have, and I would pull and root for the Tigers if Clemson was NCAA Division III. And, I’d prefer that rather than having to beg and plead for the SEC to add Clemson. Yuck! No thanks at all. That’s what I was hoping to express along with my other points in my original post. I also appreciate your comments and thoughts, and I hope you have a blessed day.
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Re: You don't understand the "lust" for $$$$$?
Jul 20, 2022, 3:52 PM
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If you think Clemson should not join the SEC just to spite "SEC homers," you should think on this some more.
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Re: You don't understand the "lust" for $$$$$?
Jul 20, 2022, 4:30 PM
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No, I don’t want Clemson to join the SEC because it is the SEC. ??
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Naturally, these are just my thoughts
Jul 20, 2022, 3:10 PM
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In my book those are excellent thoughts.
The ACC is a solid conference, or could be.
Football rules due to $$$$.
What is needed is for colleges like UNC, FS, Miami, VT, etc to raise their level of play. If Clemson can do it, most colleges in the ACC can -> if they want.
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Re: Naturally, these are just my thoughts
Jul 20, 2022, 3:51 PM
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Thank you, friend. I agree. The ACC has the ability to be the envy of America in football. With the fan support and tradition of FSU, Miami, VA Tech, and ArmPITT, the ACC could stand shoulder to shoulder against any other conference. But, the kicker is those schools have to perform. I hope they will, and I hope they lose every time the play Clemson, though. ??
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Re: I don’t understand this lust to join SEC
Jul 20, 2022, 3:14 PM
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It’s simple math. 100 million > 37 million.
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simple math
Jul 20, 2022, 3:21 PM
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It is more than math. More $$ surely helps.
For the past few years CLEMSON has not been in the top 20 schools as to money.
Still, we have been competitive.
These are the 20 most profitable college football programs:
Texas ($92 million)
Tennessee ($70 million)
LSU ($58 million)
Michigan ($56 million)
Notre Dame ($54 million)
Georgia ($50 million)
Ohio State ($50 million)
Oklahoma ($48 million)
Auburn ($47 million)
Alabama ($46 million)
Oregon ($40 million)
Florida State ($39 million)
Arkansas ($38 million)
Washington ($38 million)
Florida ($37 million)
Texas A&M ($37 million)
Penn State ($36 million)
Michigan State ($32 million)
USC ($29 million)
South Carolina ($28 million)
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Re: simple math
Jul 20, 2022, 4:27 PM
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Things are changing though. Maybe we actually will need more moving forward. Also, its good for other sports and the university as well. They are always going to be upgrading. Another 65 million per year would be awesome.
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This is one reason every Clemson fan should care
Jul 20, 2022, 3:16 PM
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Joining the SEC equals more revenue for the school. More revenue for the school equals lower ticket prices for games.
simple as that.
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Re: This is one reason every Clemson fan should care
Jul 20, 2022, 3:23 PM
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You believe ticket prices will come down?
I believe no matter what happens they will go up.
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Re: This is one reason every Clemson fan should care
Jul 20, 2022, 3:50 PM
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no way will they go down. but a sudden extra 50million a year would most certainly delay any increases for a few years.
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Re: I don’t understand this lust to join SEC
Jul 20, 2022, 3:30 PM
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Money, location, great matchups, good weather.
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Big Chief
Jul 20, 2022, 3:33 PM
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I take it you work for a family charity and money has never mattered in your life. You pay your employees extremely low wages and have minimal expectations for their output.
Back here in the real world, money is used as a measuring stick for meritocracies. And those with the most money, and the ability to earn the most money, call the shots. Through outstanding coaching leadership, recruiting, and Deshaun, Trevor Lawrence and the Power Rangers being the answer to Dabo's prayers, the Tigers have exceeded expectations. But you do not put these guys in a billion dollar deficit every 12-14 years, and expect the wins to continue. Nor do you allow the SEC and B1G to call all the shots, unless you are part of those conferences, as the NCAA is disappearing.
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Re: Big Chief
Jul 20, 2022, 3:43 PM
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I'm with you Chief. I sure hope we don't join that corrupt bunch.
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Re: Big Chief
Jul 20, 2022, 3:45 PM
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Where do you want us to join?
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Re: Big Chief
Jul 20, 2022, 4:01 PM
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No, sir. I don’t work for a charity. Grew up low middle class to borderline poor. Daddy was a country preacher, and my mama worked manufacturing and clerical her whole life. I was a school teacher for 14 years, then I started a small little retail shop with my brother in law. Don’t have a storefront anymore, and I work from home, but we still exist. I’ve never had lots of money in my life. Don’t figure I ever will. Money matters, but it ain’t everything. Honor, integrity, and tradition have far more value than lucre. In your “real world,” money might drive the economy, but it can never buy and compensate for a lack of hard work, integrity, and intelligence. Did Clemson have hundreds of millions of dollars laying around to build top tier football facilities in the last decade? No sir. That was accomplished by hard work from players, coaches, and Clemson fans donating money for the cause. If Clemson has shown it can win by being at a money disadvantage, why can’t it continue to do so?
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I appreciate you Big Chief
Jul 20, 2022, 5:01 PM
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BigChief2000Still I do not want other conferences to have access to extremely imbalanced resources that Dabo cannot overcome no matter how hard Clemson works ...
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Re: I don’t understand this lust to join SEC
Jul 20, 2022, 3:59 PM
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I am an SEC homer, and I would love to have Clemson in the conference. I think most SEC fans have some respect for Clemson, and they would like to see them in the SEC also.
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Re: I don’t understand this lust to join SEC
Jul 20, 2022, 4:06 PM
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I appreciate you telling me that, but I say you’re an anomaly. In my opinion, the majority of the SEC homers view Clemson with same level patronizing as that of Mr. Finebaum. Sure, I know he has a schtick, and he is putting on a show, but the attitude he exudes about Clemson, I think that part is very real. His type, which I think are the majority of your conference’s homers, think just like he and Tony Barnhart do. Complete condescension.
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Jul 20, 2022, 4:26 PM
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The deal with FineB and many SEC fans is that in "Dabo years", Tigers have played SEC teams every year, and "much more" than held their own. Letting in a weak Texas or an Oklahoma is one thing, Clemson on the schedule is a horror none want.
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Re: I don’t understand this lust to join SEC
Jul 20, 2022, 5:46 PM
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Fans of SEC teams take pride in the success of conference - wins against other conferences, the number of players it puts in the NFL, success in bowl, playoff and championship games. If you want, you're free to believe all that success isn't real or is due to some global conspiracy. You may not agree or even like it but conference affiliation matters. It matters financially and it matters to fans. Look at how many anti-SEC threads you read here. (Well, fewer now that everyone, except you and one or two others, can't wait to join the SEC).
Maybe you'll get your wish and if the SEC reaches out but Clemson opts to remain the ACC, where the money is scarce but you can take comfort in knowing you're part of a conference where everything is pure and good.
Fans of the SEC don't disrespect Clemson. They are quite aware of Dabo's success. Some point out the lack of any competition in the ACC.
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lack of any competition in the ACC
Jul 20, 2022, 6:25 PM
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Do they turn a blind eye as to how Clemson has dominated the sec? I don't mean the weak sisters like USuCk but all.
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Re: lack of any competition in the ACC
Jul 20, 2022, 6:37 PM
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Clemson has dominated all of the SEC? Bama? LSU? UGA?
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Re: I don’t understand this lust to join SEC
Jul 20, 2022, 11:13 PM
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Well, Finebaum isn't only an SEC homer, he is a major Alabama homer, and Clemson stomped Alabama 44-16 the last time they played. I still remember seeing his face the next day on television. So, he might be a little bitter. I would take it with a grain of salt.
As far as the rest of the SEC, the top two of three teams in the SEC, Alabama, Georgia, and probably Texas AM, cab be condescending. Hell, they are condescending toward teams in their own conference. But, I do believe that the majority of the SEC fans are pretty down to earth people, and I think Clemson would be respected in the SEC, but who knows? You might be right. Either way, I hope Clemson is able to get out of the ACC. You all deserve better than to go down with the ship.
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Re: I don’t understand this lust to join SEC
Jul 20, 2022, 4:30 PM
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About $70 million reasons. Otherwise we will be left behind
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Re: I don’t understand this lust to join SEC
Jul 20, 2022, 4:52 PM
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1) better conference
2) better football
3) more (not better) fans
4) better standing with espn
5) Better network
6) better ratings
7) Better money
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B/C you can't see the forest for the trees****
Jul 20, 2022, 5:00 PM
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Do you understand $$$?***
Jul 20, 2022, 6:16 PM
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I respect your take....***
Jul 20, 2022, 6:18 PM
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Re: I don’t understand this lust to join SEC
Jul 20, 2022, 6:19 PM
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Me either. I've despised the SUC my whole life. If it's for the survival of Clemson I can stomach it, but I will never like the SUC.
Go Tigers!!!
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Re: I don’t understand this lust to join SEC
Jul 20, 2022, 6:31 PM
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I’m replying to your topic…I’m not reading your fckn dissertation…Shorten that crap out.
We need to join the SEC as survival dude…plain and simple.
The other conferences are Sony or MOTOWN…The ACC is Lou Pearlman.
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Re: I don’t understand this lust to join SEC
Jul 20, 2022, 6:39 PM
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You, sir, are one of the most obnoxious and disrespectful posters I have see on this website for the last many years. You can’t possibly be as nasty in real life as you are behind a computer screen. If you are, I’d have to see it to believe it. If you dislike the length of my “dissertation,” feel free to just move along to another thread. But, since you like it nice and short, you should learn some manners, DUDE. It will assist you much in this life.
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It's all about stability
Jul 20, 2022, 7:19 PM
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This is the second time in a decade that the ACC has become unstable. The first time led to the ridiculous GOR.
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$$$$$$$$$ - a SLAPDICK load of $$$$$$
Jul 20, 2022, 10:27 PM
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that means a LOT !!!
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I just want Clemson to survive and
Jul 20, 2022, 10:53 PM
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compete. Whatever that takes we have to do it. I have no interest in being in the SEC or the Big 10 but we must do it anyway. I would love to stay right where we are and make the same amount of money as those conferences but it’s not possible. Not all Clemson fans are dying to be in the SEC as I’m sure many SEC schools think we must be. I mean who wouldn’t want to be? They’re the greatest!! It would make for some great matchups and give me other places to go for away games that I’ve never been to. Bring on that SEC gauntlet schedule. We’re ready.
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Re: I don’t understand this lust to join SEC
Jul 20, 2022, 10:43 PM
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You make some good points. But, you are assuming that schools like Clemson and FSU will somehow be included in the group of schools that are eligible to get a bid to the playoffs. I'm not.
I have no idea how this will all shake out. And, maybe when it does I will lose interest in college football the way I have lost interest in the NFL and college basketball. I may watch occassionally, but I don't follow it nearly as closely as I used to.
I would rather see FSU and Clemson in the group of schools that can compete for the national championship just in case that when all the dust clears I still have interest in college football.
I think joining the SEC is the best path possible under today's circumstances. Just in case.
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Re: I don’t understand this lust to join SEC
Jul 20, 2022, 10:57 PM
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I like you, sir. You are a better Tiger fan than many “Tiger fans”, and you have more common sense and decency than most of the types I’ve seen on these message boards for the last 22 years, regardless of fandom. Even though you’re an FSU man, you seem to be a good gentleman, and I always enjoy reading your insights. I can see where you are coming from, but I don’t think our teams will get left out of the big party unless they both forget how to play football all together in the next five years. I think Coach Swinney is right. It will be one gigantic “Megatron” conference of 45-50 schools. Florida State will certainly be one of them. Y’all just ran into the buzzsaw that is trying to replace a legend of legends. That’s always hard. Then, it became a coaching circus for about three years there. It ain’t been that long ago y’all where who y’all were from the mid 1980s onward. All that nonsense should stabilize now. All in all, you might be right, and I’ll be right there with you in not caring about any of it too much anymore. But, I hope it will turn out that the league all stays together, and we can both laugh at ESPN, the SEC, and all those other folks who have written all our teams off. Good luck in the season, sir. I hope you can win them all except for the one against Clemson. ??
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