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Do any lefties really understand why DJT wanted peace at J6?
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Do any lefties really understand why DJT wanted peace at J6?


Jul 5, 2022, 8:06 PM

It just occurred to me that most leftists really don't understand why DJT was the last person who wanted any form of vandalism during the J6 rally.

For those that are not interested in learning, but simply like posting funny sub-titled clips from famous people laughing, then keep enjoying basking in ignorance.

For those who are interested in understanding and who aren't afraid of getting educated, read on.

DJT's only chance to overturn the results of the 2020 election were for Mike Pence to refuse to certify the election results posted by Arizona, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Georgia, Nevada, and Wisconsin.

There was only one place where Pence could do this if he had chosen to do so: The Capitol Building.

Under any threat of violence (real or perceived), the Secret Service could whisk Pence away and he would not be standing 'in judgement' of whether there was a reasonable risk that one or more of the aforementioned states had violated their own state's constitution as far as the proper election process.

Who knows whether SCOTUS would have gotten involved (i.e., to uphold the USA's de-certification of one or more of those states whose election procedures were in question).

But here's the wrap-up: Any inciting of violence by DJT (which BTW didn't happen) would have assured that Pence would be removed from the Capitol Building to a safe place, thereby eliminating DJT's only shot at overturning the election. DJT and his key (i.e., trusted) advisors knew this.

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Re: Do any lefties really understand why DJT wanted peace at J6?


Jul 5, 2022, 8:48 PM

Can someone list one specific piece of evidence that has been revealed that would hold up in court and that shows Trump did something illegal before or on Jan 6th to plan or incite the mostly peaceful rally turned riot?

Someone saying what someone else said is bullchit, and won't hold up in court. Surely there is a recorded conversation, an email, a text, evidence of a planning meeting, evidence of covert communications, something to prove your anger besides the fact that everyone in the echo chamber believes it.

Not one person has yet to post anything.

I can post explicit examples of evidence for all the grievances I rant about.

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Re: Do any lefties really understand why DJT wanted peace at J6?


Jul 5, 2022, 10:23 PM

Any American with a few brain cells isn’t gonna bother posting evidence in response to you, not when there are literally hundreds of media outlets, online off-line, print, TV, etc. publishing evidence of trumps crimes. If you watch some thing other than Fox and Newsmax we can fill you in.

Yes, Trump has committed crimes. Question is whether or not he will be charged.

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Re: Do any lefties really understand why DJT wanted peace at J6?


Jul 5, 2022, 10:41 PM

This post is an exercise in logic, and whether you can think for yourself ... or just take whatever your friends / favorite outlets tell you.

Mid-term grade not looking good for you. Try again to see if you can pass second semester.

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Re: Do any lefties really understand why DJT wanted peace at J6?


Jul 7, 2022, 8:22 AM

You lost them with "logic and think for themselves"

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Re: Do any lefties really understand why DJT wanted peace at J6?


Jul 6, 2022, 7:34 AM [ in reply to Re: Do any lefties really understand why DJT wanted peace at J6? ]

Dude, this is PRECISELY THE ECHO CHAMBER. Please wake up!

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Jul 7, 2022, 8:42 AM [ in reply to Re: Do any lefties really understand why DJT wanted peace at J6? ]

BIG HOUSE said:

Any American with a few brain cells isn’t gonna bother posting evidence in response to you, not when there are literally hundreds of media outlets, online off-line, print, TV, etc. publishing evidence of trumps crimes. If you watch some thing other than Fox and Newsmax we can fill you in.

Yes, Trump has committed crimes. Question is whether or not he will be charged.


What crimes?

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Re: Do any lefties really understand why DJT wanted peace at J6?


Jul 5, 2022, 8:51 PM

they did wisk him away and he certified the election in the tunnels underneath the capital, not on the Senate floor. And it was not until after the mob found out that he was not going to attend to trumps bidding that they started chanting hang mike pence and stormed inside. Trump was also quoted as saying he deserved to be hung. You are either delusional or insane. I find it utterly fugging mesmerising that people are still defending him.

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Re: Do any lefties really understand why DJT wanted peace at J6?


Jul 5, 2022, 9:54 PM

Don't be so emotional and think for a minute.

DJT's only chance at having the election re-counted was via a Mike Pence decision to not certify those 5 states which had been cited for election irregularities which were in contradiction to each of those state's individual constitutions.

DJT was the last person who wanted any violence (and that is among the many reasons why he urged for a peaceful march). Violence would disrupt the only process by which he would have a chance at an electoral do-over.

Surely you can understand this ... you're a smart guy and just have to think instead of being mad all the time.

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Re: Do any lefties really understand why DJT wanted peace at J6?


Jul 6, 2022, 1:20 AM

Actually, no. He knew by then Pence wasn't going to play ball.

He was on to Plan D by then. Kill enough of his rivals - including Pence, by this point - using the Proud Boys as the meat and mass and the Oath Keepers as the assassins, and the mob as cover...that he could declare a State of Emergency to give himself emergency powers...and there would be no one left to stand up to him while he used those powers to grab total control. Donald was busy replacing everybody he could touch at the DOJ and the military, replacing them all with his own loyalists. Want a list of who Donald had moved into place, and where? It was impressive. And it looked like a coup because it was one.

It's going to come out, IMHO. Much of it already is starting to. In particular Cassidy Hutchinson shined a spotlight on the one thing in particular Trump doesn't want anybody to see: what was going on at the "War Room" in the Willard Hotel with Michael Flynn and Roger Stone...and Mark Meadows was involved up to the eyeballs in that personally, at the behest of Donald Trump.

That's where this saga is ultimately going, by the way. The Feds already have one of the Oath Keepers that Roger Stone was in personal contact with who cooperating and pleading guilty, which means Stone is right back in the crosshairs. Roger got 40 months the last time for far, far less, and walked only because Donald Trump commuted his sentence and then pardoned him after Stone refused to cooperate with Mueller.

It's way worse for Roger this time. The people around him are going down for Seditious Conspiracy...which carries a 20-year sentence.

What happens when Roger or Michael Flynn cracks? What happens when Mark Meadows does?

Try as you might, you can't explain this away, my man. It pretty much speaks for itself. Roger does not work for free.



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Re: Do any lefties really understand why DJT wanted peace at J6?


Jul 6, 2022, 1:29 AM

Holy #### lmao. You have serious problems. Did DJT do this on a whim, or were these massive plans that nobody has ever heard of? I mean, if your talking about him sicking his minions to murder everybody in Congress so that he could take over the government, you would think there would be some sort of evidence of planning that took place.

You are seriously insane.

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Re: Do any lefties really understand why DJT wanted peace at J6?


Jul 6, 2022, 2:20 AM

There's plenty of evidence of the planning that took place. The outlines are getting pretty clear, actually. This is, IMHO, the biggest thing Trump really needs to worry about, above anything we've seen so far:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36iTr2hahhA

This is real bad. I know you won't watch any of that...but the courts assuredly will. If you don't realize where this is going...well, sorry.

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Re: Do any lefties really understand why DJT wanted peace at J6?


Jul 6, 2022, 7:39 AM

Repeating hearsay IS NOT EVIDENCE. Certainly you have learned by now that TDS is real and causes people to lie about anything in any way to get at or to Trump.

Show me the evidence! Show me the evidence! COME ON MAN, it can't be that hard. I just want one piece of evidence in the form of an audio, video, email, text, phone location records, credit card records, etc. SOMETHING surely must exist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBS0OWGUidc

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Re: Do any lefties really understand why DJT wanted peace at J6?


Jul 6, 2022, 7:58 AM [ in reply to Re: Do any lefties really understand why DJT wanted peace at J6? ]

What's the timeframe on this? You've been saying he's getting indicted for various conspiracy theories over the last 6 years. Now you've fixated on this.

I'll bet you $100 that Trump is not in prison in 1 year.

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Re: Do any lefties really understand why DJT wanted peace at J6?


Jul 6, 2022, 8:40 AM

In 1 year? I'd agree it's probably highly unlikely. He'll drag this out to the end and he's a master of sandbagging and delay and I'd say 18 months to two years is probably more realistic. Even after he's convicted, he'll delay and appeal and delay some more. I'd also agree that prosecuting Trump is an iffy proposition not because of evidence (there will be an insane amount of that, and pick your charges) but because all it takes is one guy like you in the jury and securing a prosecution is basically impossible. The odds of that happening are significantly lower in DC and Fulton County but the prosecution is going to have to be highly alert for the closet MAGA trying to insert himself into the jury pool. They miss even one, it's basically a guaranteed hung jury and a mistrial.

But IMHO you're still conflating "impeachment" - which was a political exercise, and a largely futile one because of the enormous sway Trump held over the base - with legal proceedings...where MAGA's track record has been terrifyingly bad. I mean, the same folks who are about to be charged were 1-for-61 in election challenges, and not a single defendant charged by Mueller's team successfully beat their charges.

And Trump no longer has any pardons to give out...though I will admit it'll be fascinating to see if he issued any "secret" pardons they have stashed away in their safes like Get Out Of Jail Free cards. (Which I doubt will hold up even in this highly partisan Supreme Court since it would make any administration immune to prosecution, like, forever, no matter what they did or what crimes they may have committed while in office, but it still wouldn't shock me if he tried because, well, Trump.)

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Re: Do any lefties really understand why DJT wanted peace at J6?


Jul 6, 2022, 8:43 AM

I will bet you $100 that he is not "convicted" in 2 years, regardless of appeal. I'm a man of my word. I will pay up if he is.

Deal??

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Re: Do any lefties really understand why DJT wanted peace at J6?


Jul 6, 2022, 9:08 AM

I'll take that bet.

You do realize he's going to have to beat overwhelming criminal exposure in at least 3 separate cases, right? There's the Manhattan thing - and if Allen Weisselberg cracks and turns state's evidence, Trump's toast. He's at severe risk in Fulton County...Fani Willis seems like a bulldog and Fulton County went 76% for Biden...and Georgia voters roundly rejected Trump candidates and went with Kemp and Raffensperger again even in the GOP.

He's going to have to win them all. I think he loses at least 2 of the 3, though I could see a clean sweep. If Weisselberg caves, Trump loses in Manhattan too.

And I think you're likely going to be sh!t faced what comes out of the next J6 hearing. Their topic is going to be the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers, and after it's over the Willard Hotel gang - Rudy (of course), John Eastman, Roger Stone, and Michael Flynn, Steve Bannon (as well as InfoWars, I kid you not) are going to be in extreme hot water.

I think...maybe you do not properly appreciate how aggrieved at Trump the "deep state" - and the majority of America - truly are, or what an incredible sh!tstorm flood of legal problems are coming for Trump and his people. And they were not, uhm....remotely careful. The part I most like: "Hapless spy turned Roger Stone wannabe Robert Hyde was also in the room. We only have these photos because Hyde posted them on Instagram."

And also, on Roger Stone: "He also gets weirdly specific about '26 police cars' and a 'SWAT team' raiding the suite shortly after he left." Ruh-roh. Wut?

That 1-for-61 streak seems very likely to grow. Yeah, I'll take your money. And if Trump somehow overcomes all this, you're welcome to mine.

https://twitter.com/sparrowmedia/status/1450646625454542848?lang=en

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Re: Do any lefties really understand why DJT wanted peace at J6?


Jul 6, 2022, 8:45 AM [ in reply to Re: Do any lefties really understand why DJT wanted peace at J6? ]

No I'm not conflating a criminal conviction w/ impeachment. The bombshell hearsay witness that you are so giddy about would be laughed out of a real courtroom

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Re: Do any lefties really understand why DJT wanted peace at J6?


Jul 7, 2022, 12:55 AM [ in reply to Re: Do any lefties really understand why DJT wanted peace at J6? ]

We all get it that you don't like Trump. That's fine. Wonderful.

But do you really think that he's so stupid to stage a violent coup using the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers ... along with 120,000 middle aged (and old aged) supporters to carry something like this out?

In your view, Trump summons a rally of ~ 120,000 people, of which ~ 800 have been arrested ... with the most violent being along the lines of Jacob Chansley (yes, the goofball clown with the horned hat and fur vest that was waving a lethal American Flag around and yelling) and Ashley Babbitt (who was unarmed before being killed by the Capitol City cop).

Yep, that's one heck of a 'dog whistle' to the January 6 attendees to do his 'insurrection' bidding ... less than 1% participation.

Only three (3) of them had firearms. (Reference CNN - July 28, 2021 article.) Oh yes, and the Oath Keepers were alleged (yes, that's all prosecutors got ... "alleged" to have weapons in a hotel somewhere in Arlington. Arlington is 7 miles from the Capitol Building. Man oh man, those Oath Keepers are some super talented snipers, all of them impossibly better than the American Sniper. Yeah boy, that's how DJT was 'dog whistling' his followers to overtake the Capitol Building and the Federal Gov't.

Again, it's fine that you choose to hate Trump because you've heard so many other people saying that they hate Trump. That's a common social phenomenon.

But you can't have it both ways ... it just doesn't compute that Trump is an evil mastermind that got close to overthrowing the Gov't, yet his small handful of 'trained assassin' soldiers mostly had flag poles, pepper spray, a fire extinguisher (use of which on the Cap. City Cop was found to be false), and pocket knives (oooh ... lethal).

But for such a calculating mastermind, might you not give DJT some credit for figuring out that 'his people' might need more than 3 guys with firearms to pull this 'insurrection nonsense' off? If he was that stupid to use this approach to 'overthrow the Gov't' ... then wouldn't he be too stupid to breathe?

C'mon.

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Re: Do any lefties really understand why DJT wanted peace at J6?


Jul 5, 2022, 9:55 PM [ in reply to Re: Do any lefties really understand why DJT wanted peace at J6? ]

Oh, he was quoted. There you have it.

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Your best argument is he wanted a peaceful coup?***


Jul 5, 2022, 9:28 PM



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Re: Your best argument is he wanted a peaceful coup?***


Jul 5, 2022, 11:12 PM

DJT's only path was not a coup.

Look up coup, and compare that to asking for detailed review of the elections for those in-question states which didn't follow their own state's constitution with regard to election process.

DJT's path (i.e., avoiding violence and following a constitutional process) was what he took.

This was not a coup in even the remotest sense of the word.

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Seriously, read a ####### book


Jul 5, 2022, 11:31 PM

Even Eastman knew it was against the ECA to delay the certification.

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Re: Seriously, read a ####### book


Jul 7, 2022, 1:02 AM

The VP has the legal authority to either certify each state's electoral results as being valid, or to challenge them. That legal authority of the VP was DJT's only path for having the election (by virtue of up to 5 states now following their own election rules) overturned.

I'm glad that you're reading books, but child #### books aren't going to help you to understand the electoral process.

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Hahahahahaha, you have no idea what you're talking about.


Jul 7, 2022, 6:39 AM

No, the VP doesn't challenge votes. Members of congress can object, and then both chambers can vote on the objections, but the VP literally just opens envelopes. Go read the 12th ammendment genius.

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Re: Hahahahahaha, you have no idea what you're talking about.


Jul 7, 2022, 6:54 AM

VP doesn't count votes; he can either certify or not certify the results from selected states.

Your understanding of the 12th Amendment needs some refreshing.

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This is why the Jan 6 committee is important^^^


Jul 7, 2022, 7:04 AM

People still somehow believe this ####. Here's a quick recap from one of the earlier hearings:




Retired federal judge J. Michael Luttig agreed with these assessments at Thursday’s hearing.

“It is breathtaking that these arguments even were conceived, let alone entertained by the president of the United States at that perilous moment in history,” Luttig said in his opening statement. Had Pence followed Trump’s plan, “America would immediately have been plunged into what would have been tantamount to a revolution within a paralyzing constitutional crisis.”

Before the panel, Luttig stated that there was “no support whatsoever in either the Constitution of the United States, nor the laws of the United States, for the vice president, frankly ever, to count alternative electoral slates.”

Luttig was called to testify because he’d advised Pence on the matter after Richard Cullen, the vice president’s personal lawyer, contacted the retired judge, seeking legal ammunition against Eastman’s plot.

Greg Jacob, another witness and former Pence counsel, echoed Luttig’s assessment from the bench. “It is unambiguous that the vice president does not have the authority to reject electors,” he told the panel. “There is no mention of rejecting or objecting to electors anywhere in the 12th Amendment.”

Eastman admitted to Jacob that the plan would lose at the Supreme Court “nine to nothing,” according to his testimony.

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Re: Seriously, read a ####### book


Jul 7, 2022, 7:06 AM [ in reply to Re: Seriously, read a ####### book ]

So Kamala Harris gets to pick our next president? I'm sure the Dems will be delighted.

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LOL no.***


Jul 5, 2022, 9:31 PM



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Re: LOL no.***


Jul 5, 2022, 9:57 PM

Just because you don't like Trump does not make it logical for DJT to have wanted to disrupt his last 'Hail Mary' via the process by which Mike Pence could make a decision to not certify the election results from the 5 aforementioned states.

Any call for violence by DJT (which he never did ... he called for a peaceful march) would ruin his only chance to have an election do-over.

It is utterly irrational to think that DJT was trying to incite violence.

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Re: Do any lefties really understand why DJT wanted peace at J6?


Jul 5, 2022, 9:33 PM



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Re: Do any lefties really understand why DJT wanted peace at J6?


Jul 5, 2022, 10:06 PM


It just occurred to me that most leftists really don't understand why DJT was the last person who wanted any form of vandalism during the J6 rally.

For those that are not interested in learning, but simply like posting funny sub-titled clips from famous people laughing, then keep enjoying basking in ignorance.

For those who are interested in understanding and who aren't afraid of getting educated, read on.

DJT's only chance to overturn the results of the 2020 election were for Mike Pence to refuse to certify the election results posted by Arizona, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Georgia, Nevada, and Wisconsin.

There was only one place where Pence could do this if he had chosen to do so: The Capitol Building.

Under any threat of violence (real or perceived), the Secret Service could whisk Pence away and he would not be standing 'in judgement' of whether there was a reasonable risk that one or more of the aforementioned states had violated their own state's constitution as far as the proper election process.

Who knows whether SCOTUS would have gotten involved (i.e., to uphold the USA's de-certification of one or more of those states whose election procedures were in question).

But here's the wrap-up: Any inciting of violence by DJT (which BTW didn't happen) would have assured that Pence would be removed from the Capitol Building to a safe place, thereby eliminating DJT's only shot at overturning the election. DJT and his key (i.e., trusted) advisors knew this.


You make too much sense, you can’t be for real! Should I post a goofy looking guy laughing to support my narrative now? I’ll wait!

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Re: Do any lefties really understand why DJT wanted peace at J6?


Jul 5, 2022, 10:09 PM

Goofy looking guy=Hellary. Close enough!

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Re: Do any lefties really understand why DJT wanted peace at J6?


Jul 5, 2022, 10:46 PM [ in reply to Re: Do any lefties really understand why DJT wanted peace at J6? ]

Sorry, Mr. Touch-The-Rock ... the usual mentally incapable suspects have long beaten you to the punch with captioned video clips of someone laughing.

You'll have to continue with your boring reasoning and intelligent thought. What's right isn't always popular, and what's popular isn't always right.

TNet already has it's quota of clowns who attempt to socially embarrass their 'opponents' with their powerful video clips.

This is all that some people have ... logic and the ability to think rationally are just beyond them.

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Re: Do any lefties really understand why DJT wanted peace at J6?


Jul 5, 2022, 10:17 PM

Your comments convey how dumb Trump’s actions have been. Thank you for sharing.

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Yep and all Pence could do was delay it, for a short


Jul 5, 2022, 10:33 PM

investigation of the results (I think 10 days?) but we all know why they didn't want an investigation.

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It was all investigated, you simpleton.


Jul 5, 2022, 10:46 PM

Including the Qanon audit in Arizona. Trump went 1 for 61. And the “1” wasn’t even really a win.

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No it wasn't. The courts simply refused to hear the cases or


Jul 5, 2022, 10:50 PM

allow the evidence to be admitted. That doesn't mean the issue was investigated.

And of course the congressional process wasn't followed so that investigation never happened.

And, most importantly really, no court heard any case on constitutional grounds that the states illegally changed their election laws, which they did. That alone is enough to throw out their results.

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Now, dig about a foot or two deeper.


Jul 5, 2022, 11:29 PM

Evidence was reviewed in almost every case. You’re assuming it wasn’t because a case was tossed before it made it to court.

Now…why were they tossed?

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Corruption is why the cases were blocked. I don't know if


Jul 6, 2022, 10:11 AM

each judge was just a political hack (they mostly are) or if they got paid off or if their families were threatened or what, but if they weren't corrupt then they wouldn't have feared the process of determining the truth based on the facts.

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No, it wasn't. That's merely a convenient excuse for when


Jul 6, 2022, 10:38 AM

things don't go your way. "The only possible explanation is corruption!"

A significant number of those 60 lost and tossed cases were by Trump judicial nominees and appointees. The reason they were lost and tossed is because they had no merit whatsoever.

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Again, the cases were blocked, not "lost." If the gov has


Jul 6, 2022, 11:32 AM

nothing to hide, then there's no reason not to investigate and try the issue.

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They did investigate, they did present the evidence


Jul 6, 2022, 11:37 AM

the many Trump appointed judges said it's not enough to proceed.

What part of that are you not getting

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I like your funny words magic man


You apparently have no idea how the judicial system


Jul 6, 2022, 11:45 AM [ in reply to Again, the cases were blocked, not "lost." If the gov has ]

actually works if you believe that every single frivolous lawsuit sees the inside of a courtroom, and if it doesn't, it's corruption.

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Not everyone. Just the ones he believes in


Jul 6, 2022, 12:05 PM

this is what happened when we started making everybody think their opinions matter

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I like your funny words magic man


How are you able to be so consistently wrong?....


Jul 6, 2022, 1:14 PM [ in reply to Again, the cases were blocked, not "lost." If the gov has ]

dang

There is no way a reasonable person could interpret the situation as you have. You are either really nuts or a liar. I'm going with liar.

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Re: No, it wasn't. That's merely a convenient excuse for when


Jul 7, 2022, 1:10 AM [ in reply to No, it wasn't. That's merely a convenient excuse for when ]

19B®, you may not like what ChasTom says, but the smoking guns of election fraud are slowly rearing their heads.

Look at the recent Georgia primary elections, where DeKalb County commissioner candidate Spears was beaten soundly ... until an audit took place (Spears was running in the Democrat primary for a commissioner's seat) at Spears request.

Sure enough, the original election was found to be highly flawed, with the ... wait for it, wait for it ... Dominion Voting Machines being at the center of several huge problems.

Yes indeed, after the audit revealed the Dominion had switched a meaningful percentage of votes to Ms Spears' opponent, the hand recount was done and Ms. Spears won the primary easily.

Moral of the story: It is (still) premature to assert that everything in the 2020 elections was clean, and that the Dominion Voting machines were 'tamper proof' and 'hack proof.'

Pay attention and liberate your mind ... you can do this.

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Re: It was all investigated, you simpleton.


Jul 5, 2022, 10:57 PM [ in reply to It was all investigated, you simpleton. ]

You too have failed the logical exercise.

Try harder and think, instead of just emoting, for second semester.

The rational argument for DJT not wanting violence at J6 is obvious to anyone who pays attention and thinks even a little bit.

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Re: Yep and all Pence could do was delay it, for a short


Jul 5, 2022, 10:55 PM [ in reply to Yep and all Pence could do was delay it, for a short ]

But still, that was DJT's only chance.

Espousing violence for the January 6 MAGA crowd would do absolutely no good for DJT's Hail Mary chance at getting a review of the 2020 election.

It's one thing for the hopeless fools to not understand, but it is sure disappointing that there are plenty of smart people who are so immersed in their own emotional hatred of DJT that they simply refuse to think.

These smart enough people still won't spend the time to understand how the 'Mike Pence' process would have been DJT's only chance, and that doing ANYTHING to disturb Mike Pence was completely irrational.

Nope, it's too comfortable for them being emotional and getting their social gratification from their similarly emotionally predilected friends.

This really zukks for America.

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I love all the people here outing themselves as still believing the big lie.***


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Re: I love all the people here outing themselves as still believing the big lie.***


Jul 6, 2022, 6:35 AM

The big lie = inflation is transitory

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At least you're consistent in your deflecting.


Jul 6, 2022, 10:09 AM

January 6th? "But INFLATION!"

Fortunately, some of us can walk and chew gum at the same time.

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The big lie is that Joe Biden won.***


Jul 6, 2022, 10:03 AM [ in reply to I love all the people here outing themselves as still believing the big lie.*** ]



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Re: I love all the people here outing themselves as still believing the big lie.***


Jul 7, 2022, 6:58 AM [ in reply to I love all the people here outing themselves as still believing the big lie.*** ]

If you don't understand the logic behind the original post, then you are the one that still believes the big lie.

See how it works? Name calling and the presentation of faulty logic, supported by incorrect facts, has led you to the false conclusion.

It is good, however, that you are engaged and reading the posts of (presumably) everyone. That's the basis for real dialogue; real dialogue doesn't happen in any group's echo chamber.

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Unequivocally untrue.


Jul 5, 2022, 10:44 PM

Once it was determined that Pence was going to certify, the only card left to play was chaos. If any of the Capitol stormers had succeeded in capturing, or even worse, killing a sitting Congressman or Senator, Trump would have IMMEDIATELY declared a State of Emergency, suspending all government proceedings (and certifications).

But I’m sure once it was all sorted out, Trump would have politely handed the keys to the White House to Biden with a sheepish apology.

It’s remarkable that 1) you think this is farfetched and 2) can’t acknowledge how close we actually came to this happening.

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Re: Unequivocally untrue.


Jul 5, 2022, 11:07 PM

So emotional and so wrong ... try to think this through (you've got to calm down your emotions if rational thought is to reach the surface).

DJT had no path to electoral victory if he had attempted a violent coup as led by some clowns wearing horned hats, fur vests, and face paint.

His only path was for a peaceful Mike Pence to do his job on the floor of Congress.

Perceived threats of violence had Pence ushered away, which ended any chance for DJT's electoral hopes.

Talk about crazy conspiracy theories, the "Trump / State of Emergency" one as a path to suspend all gov't proceedings is absolutely bonkers.

The things that Trump haters convince themselves are real ... just incredible.

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I’ll add that I don’t think Trump was orchestrating any


Jul 5, 2022, 11:15 PM

ground-level plans for what happened that day. But what is patently obvious is that Trump is, and always has been, a chaos surfer. To borrow a phrase from another poster here, he is absolutely the type to lob grenades into rooms, and quickly figure out how to personally benefit from the ensuing mayhem. Given the various (and documented) schemes to overturn the election being passed around by Meadows, Eastman, et. al., do you really believe that the chaos/SOE theory wasn’t discussed? Or do you believe that Trump wasn’t privy to all of those schemes, and it was his people doing it behind his back, out of sheer devotion to him?

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Re: I’ll add that I don’t think Trump was orchestrating any


Jul 7, 2022, 1:17 AM

Sometimes the over-used Occam's razor logic is the best one ... such as in this case.

The incredibly elaborate conspiracy theories which the J6'ers promote don't measure up to the simple explanation: DJT's only chance was for Pence to not certify the 'dubious' states' election results, and for that to happen, everything had to be calm.

That's why Trump asked for no violence and for peaceful demonstrations.

It's really that simple.

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Umm...the PowerPoint that Meadows turned over...


Jul 6, 2022, 10:20 AM [ in reply to Re: Unequivocally untrue. ]

specifically listed "Declare National Security Emergency".

Now, as the power point plan that was circulated spells out, the plan was to create a lot of doubt in the system (which was proven out in court to be without merit) and to perform a manual hand counting of all paper ballots in certain areas.

The plan circulated doesn't list retaining power as part of the National Security Emergency...but it's not a complete stretch to see where this was heading. And dismissing it as a conspiracy theory flies in the face of what has been uncovered on what was going on at the White House during this time.

https://twitter.com/laralogan/status/1346521550783188992

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Re: Umm...the PowerPoint that Meadows turned over...


Jul 6, 2022, 10:30 AM

Yup.

My guess was the riot and the Oath Keepers/Proud Boys thing was the backup when Pence wouldn't cooperate.

The definite aim, IMHO, was to generate a pretext for that State of Emergency...while hopefully ridding Trump of his stubborn VP as well as Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer - who were clearly targeted - which would effectively ensure there wasn't any kind of organized opposition leadership left to stop him. He'd already moved his own loyalists into place at the Pentagon and was trying to do the same at the DOJ.

This was a coup...and the violence was absolutely planned. I mean, one look at that picture of Roger Stone with the Oath Keepers should have told anybody that - Roger is a paid political mercenary, a fixer dirty politicians and corrupt foreign interests have been using for 30+ years to do dirty deeds off the books - but the scale of it is becoming more obvious with each passing week.

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That's it


Jul 6, 2022, 10:52 AM [ in reply to Umm...the PowerPoint that Meadows turned over... ]

That's it, RememberTheDanny. This dashes your entire argument. Bail out.

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Re: Umm...the PowerPoint that Meadows turned over...


Jul 7, 2022, 1:24 AM [ in reply to Umm...the PowerPoint that Meadows turned over... ]

Mark Meadows is yet another of the 'traditional' Repubs who made his hay via the traditional Repub crony capitalist path.

These guys all hate DJT because his governance was perceived as a threat (not known to be a threat, but a risk that the traditional Pubs could not take) to undo their crony capitalist money making schemes.

Ever get curious about how a US Congressional Rep accumulates net worth of > $25MM on a salary of ~ $175,000?

Think about this just a little bit and it will help. Read one of Peter Schweitzer's books and it will become clearer to you.

Give it a try ... Peter Schweitzer holds no bars; Republicans and Democrats are exposed for their crony capitalist tactics to acquiring corrupt wealth.

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So, the best you've come up with is that Mark Meadows,...


Jul 7, 2022, 8:02 AM

Trump's Chief of Staff, actually hates Trump and was purposefully undermining him...because Trump was trying to tear down crony capitalism?

And this is all evidenced by the power point that that was contained in his e-mails (I don't think he authored it) turned over in response to a subpoena from Congress?

And that it will help if I actually just think about it?

Dude...you sound nuttier than a squirrel turd

Your line of "reasoning" makes zero sense.

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Re: So, the best you've come up with is that Mark Meadows,...


Jul 7, 2022, 8:11 AM

That is indeed an...odd...line of reasoning.

I may have to go burn a Bob Marley-sized doobie and go think on it for an hour or ten, and it might make sense then. Deep Thoughts type stuff, for sure.

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This is evidenced by Trump taking fast action...


Jul 5, 2022, 11:45 PM

to tampen down the riot once it started!





Oh wait.....

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“Hold on…let’s see how this plays out.”***


Jul 5, 2022, 11:48 PM



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Re: “Hold on…let’s see how this plays out.”***


Jul 6, 2022, 5:24 AM

Omg WTH? All this going on about Trump wouldn’t ruin his chances for Pence to not be able to certify because of the riot. HE ALREADY KNEW Pence was going to certify it before that day!!! He just kept trying to pressure him. Pence seems like an honorable man which is why I can’t believe he ever aligned himself with a heathen like Trump. Power and ambition I guess.

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Re: “Hold on…let’s see how this plays out.”***


Jul 7, 2022, 1:27 AM

"HE (DJT) ALREADY KNEW Pence was going to certify it before that day!!!" ... you really don't know what you're talking about.

That's just crazy talk from one person's mouth who doesn't know anything to another person's ears who wants to believe what he hears.

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Re: “Hold on…let’s see how this plays out.”***


Jul 7, 2022, 1:41 AM

You’re a kook. You really believe Trump hadn’t been pressuring Pence to not certify on January 6th??? You really believe they hadn’t discussed what Trump expected him to do way before January 6th? I’m not saying Trump had anything to do with the insurrection because I’m not positive but if you think he hadn’t already been told by Pence that he wasn’t doing what Trump asked him to do you are naive for your age.

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Re: “Hold on…let’s see how this plays out.”***


Jul 7, 2022, 7:04 AM

Of course DJT had been making his case to Pence to review the electoral input from the several 'dubious' states.

But with days to go in DJT's presidency, do you think that Mike Pence would actually feel 'pressured'?

No, all DJT could do was make his case to Pence and hope that Pence had the courage to challenge the electoral input from those states which didn't follow their own election laws.

And DJT knew that anything which might disrupt Pence's sense of equilibrium would give him the excuse to go with his (Pence's) predilection ... e.g., to avoid controversy and certify each state's electoral input.

All of that suggests that DJT was completely sincere with his 'no violence / no bad behavior' messaging before the J6 attendees arrived in D.C.

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The President wanting to overturn an election


Jul 6, 2022, 6:36 AM

is a non-starter as a justification for anything. I mean...really.

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Anybody who thinks that Trump planned a violent coup is a


Jul 6, 2022, 8:46 AM

straight up, foaming at the mouth, raving lunatic. He really tried every legal, and perhaps not legal, non-violent manuever he could think of to overturn what in his mind was an illegitimate, rigged election. But as far as a violent coup goes, only a ####### emotioinally damged clown buys into that.

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Re: Anybody who thinks that Trump planned a violent coup is a


Jul 6, 2022, 9:34 AM

Then what exactly was Roger freaking Stone doing with the Oath Keepers on 1/6, and the Proud Boys down in Florida in the days before that?

Go on, I'll wait.


Here's Roger.


And hey, is that Enrique Tarrio? Awesome, bro!

And what's this on 1/3? The Proud Boys and Oath Keepers meeting in a parking garage in Washington?


Only good things come of meetings between the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers in parking garages.

And then of course, there's this old photo of one of the two Oath Keeper stacks that entered the Capitol as part of the plan that's getting them charged with Seditious Conspiracy:


The Oath Keepers doing actual insurrection things.

Do I need to re-link to the video of Cassidy Hutchinson testifying before Congress where she went into painstakingly detail about White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows getting updates from the Willard Hotel, and about what "Roger and Michael Flynn were planning" specifically?

Here. You won't watch it, of course, but, you know, on the off chance....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36iTr2hahhA

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How long have they had these pics?***


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Re: How long have they had these pics?***


Jul 6, 2022, 10:43 AM

I don't know. Why?

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Because, if they've had them for more than a week, and


Jul 6, 2022, 10:51 AM

that's really any kind of proof or evidence of Trump planning a violent coup, then what the hell are they waiting on? Why haven't they slapped the cuffs on him already? I'll tell you why they haven't done anything, because only a blubbering idiot would think these pics are evidence of anything illegal by Trump.

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You understand that there's a current investigation, right?


Jul 6, 2022, 10:56 AM

You're being intentionally obtuse.

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Do you really think those pics are evidence of Trump


Jul 6, 2022, 11:12 AM

planning a violent, armed coup? If so, you are a fuck-faced clown, and that's exactly what q presented them as.

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No. I don't.


Jul 6, 2022, 11:49 AM

Better be careful; RememeberTheDanny has run screaming to mods before for creative use of the F word.

What I do think is that photos like this are a terrible look for this whole situation and demand further investigation. Is that enough evidence to condemn Trump? No. But that's enough on top of so much more to demand further investigation into it. YOU should be demanding it as well instead of just dismissing anything that pops up because you've already made up your mind.

If cops suspected you of a conspiring with a crime, and they had video of some of your friends meeting with those who were involved with it, would that be enough for them to arrest? Of course not. But is that going to give them some leads to pursue? Yes.

I'm not sure why this has to be spelled out for you. Some of y'all want Trump to come out completely clean in this a little too badly, and that's suspicious.

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And that's the summation of this entire thread.


Jul 6, 2022, 11:53 AM

RememberTheDanny, Smiling, Keowee, et. al., have already made up their minds on this, so any further investigation or pursuit of the truth of that day and the months leading up to it are pointless and should be stopped immediately.

For people that claim they don't really like Trump anyway, they sure are performing some impressive acrobatics to avoid having to see him in a courtroom, or worse, a cell.

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A sign of intellect and integrity...


Jul 6, 2022, 1:39 PM

Is if someone who doesn't believe Trump orchestrated Jan. 6 steps back and says, "Okay. I don't think he did this, but I'm willing to look at the evidence and see all that comes out, and then make a decision." That person recognizes such pictures and examples Quoz posted are a very bad look.

A sign of lacking intellect and integrity is plug your ears, refuse to listen to anything to the contrary of the opinion you've already developed, and then to call anyone who disagrees with you a lunatic or emotionally damaged.

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Re: A sign of intellect and integrity...


Jul 7, 2022, 1:41 AM

If it looks and reads like real evidence, then you've got a point.

But unfortunately for the DJT haters, they have dumped so much ridiculous garbage (starting with the Russia Hoax) onto the 'down the middle' category of citizens that everything 'new' starts out with barely a shred of credibility.

The fact that the DJT haters are so predilected to ignore the 'facts' against Trump that are subsequently proven to be false ... but then that's all forgotten by the DJT haters when the next hyperbolic 'Orange Man Bad' news gets out ... discredits the 'signs of intellect and integrity' which you assert that the DJT haters to possess.

But it is a great tactic to 'get the first word in' to establish (on the social level ... not intellectual or integrity level) the higher ground.

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Re: A sign of intellect and integrity...


Jul 7, 2022, 9:11 AM [ in reply to A sign of intellect and integrity... ]

Let me make this perfectly clear and try to keep up… If there are no video evidence, audio evidence or first person witnesses that directly had Trump’s likeness, voice or multiple credible witnesses that has Trump commanding individuals to kill all inside the capitol, then this trial is nothing more than another waste of time much like all of the other failed trials the dems have sucked everyone (and taxpayers money) into.

As far as Hutchinson goes, if you pay me a couple of million, I’ll testify that I heard a friend of a friend of a cousin of the mail carrier that saw Trump reaching for the limo steering wheel (still not a crime).

Point is that for 6 years everyone sees what the left agenda is. It has been one failed attempt after failed attempt to bring charges against someone that they can provide no evidence against. After a while, people get sick of it and don’t take it seriously anymore. If nothing else, all of these failed attempts have done nothing but cause more divisiveness and made the left look like total fools on a grand scale.

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Try reading all the thread before replying


Jul 7, 2022, 10:29 AM

You know, try to keep up.

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Re: No. I don't.


Jul 6, 2022, 12:28 PM [ in reply to No. I don't. ]

Anybody who didn't fall out of a tree has a pretty strong suspicion exactly where this is going.

Trump himself is going to be a harder target, again, because all he needs is one partisan juror to hang a jury.

The other guys? If what happened to Trump's original gang during the Mueller probe is any indication, they're screwed. And then they'll try to save themselves.

And Trump is no longer protected from arrest and prosecution because, well, he isn't president anymore and he has no more pardons to give anyone who might turn on him either.

That Willard Hotel cabal is very much its own thing, and we really haven't even started seeing the inside of it yet. My suspicion is when that cracks, that's when Pandora's Box opens and all manner of nightmare stuff comes shuffling out.

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Re: No. I don't.


Jul 6, 2022, 12:34 PM [ in reply to No. I don't. ]

I would like to see those who have been chirping about "drain the swamp", "law and order", and "government corruption" actually walk the walk and not be so dismissive about what happened here. It's obvious that all that caterwauling you guys have doing for all these years was nothing more than lip service. We now know you readily accept government corruption and pissing on the constitution so long as it favors your side.

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Re: Because, if they've had them for more than a week, and


Jul 6, 2022, 11:34 AM [ in reply to Because, if they've had them for more than a week, and ]

I guess I'm a "blubbering idiot", then.

You think the DOJ could build a case for Seditious Conspiracy against Donald Trump and his inner circle in a week?

Mob racketeering cases take years to build...and 1/6 was a whole lot bigger than that.

I would tend to think the DOJ would start with the foot soldiers who they know did the sedition, turn and squeeze those guys over time, and start building cases against guys higher up in the food chain...which is exactly what the Committee and DOJ appear to be doing. They took John Eastman's phone just the other day. The Feds have to have probable cause that there was evidence on the phone to do that.



And you still have no explanation for what the heck Roger Stone, who works for Donald Trump, was doing hanging with guys who presently stand accused of planning an armed, violent insurrection against the United States of America on the very morning they attempted it...and then slipped into the Capitol under cover of the very mob Donald Trump himself personally called to Washington, then stirred up and loosed against Congress, and personally tried to lead.

I mean, seriously. What do you think he was doing? Roger was being kind of the opposite of subtle about it, as is his M.O.

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Re: Because, if they've had them for more than a week, and


Jul 6, 2022, 11:49 AM

You think the DOJ could build a case for Seditious Conspiracy against Donald Trump and his inner circle in a week?


Of course not. That's why I laugh in your face when you present a series of old pics as some kind of hard evidence of Trump planning a violent armed coup.

And you still have no explanation for what the heck Roger Stone, who works for Donald Trump, was doing hanging with guys who presently stand accused of planning an armed, violent insurrection against the United States of America on the very morning they attempted it...and then slipped into the Capitol under cover of the very mob Donald Trump himself personally called to Washington, then stirred up and loosed against Congress, and personally tried to lead.

No, no I don't have to explain why Roger Stone was there. He doesn't have to prove he wasn't planning something illegal, he doesn't have to prove his innocence; It's the obligation of the accusers to prove his guilt, and first they must prove that he was planning a violent coup with the Proud Boys. Having pics of them together doesn't even begin to do that.

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Re: Because, if they've had them for more than a week, and


Jul 6, 2022, 12:19 PM

Actually he does have to answer questions about it, especially if the Oathkeepers and Proud Boys get convicted on Seditious Conspiracy charges. Which they're very, very likely to be. Some of them have already flipped. Including one of the guys who was with Roger on 1/6.

And then from the White House side, Cassidy's already testified to a very intriguing link between Meadows and whatever was going on at the Willard Hotel. There's going to be more confirmation of that, I'm sure.

And here's the real problem with the guys at the Willard Hotel. They're some of the worst actors in Trump's administration - Rudy, Michael Flynn, Roger Stone, Sidney Powell, Steve Bannon. Rudy's been disbarred for lying to multiple judges in court, Powell's about to be, and Flynn, Stone, and Bannon have already been pardoned by Trump once. Flynn literally took the Fifth with the Committee when asked the question: "Do you support the idea of an armed insurrection in this country?"

Like, wut?

And the bigger problem is, these guys are pure self-serving, self-promoting narcissists...and some of them openly hate one another. Roger Stone literally cheered the other day when a judge ruled against Bannon trying to dismiss contempt charges...Bannon, see, had sold Roger out during the Mueller investigation. (Trumpworld: "Hey, let's do more crime with the people who sold us out last time! GREAT IDEA!!!") Do you really think this clown show is going to hang together when the DOJ starts rolling them up?

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1538146255322374152?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1538146255322374152%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newsweek.com%2Froger-stone-rejoices-bannon-loses-jan-6-court-fight-bye-steve-1717129

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And here's how that will go ...


Jul 6, 2022, 12:42 PM

Investigator/Prosecutor: Mr. Stone, Why were you talking with the Proud Boys in thes pics?

Stone: They are strong Trump supporters, and I was there to welcome them and thank them for their support.

Prosecutor: Are you aware that the Proud Boys have been linked to all sorts of criminal activity?

Stone: Yes. Was it illegal for me to talk to them?

Prosecutor: No. Did you at any time discuss an armed coup with them?

Stone: No.

The end.

Unless they have Proud Boy witnesses, or other credible, first hand witnesses testifying otherwise. Then that all has to be fleshed out and cross examined.

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Re: And here's how that will go ...


Jul 6, 2022, 1:07 PM

Agreed. For Seditious Conspiracy against Roger they'll need the goods. Like, you know, a witness willing to testify against him.

Somebody like, say, William Todd Wilson.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-north-carolina-chapter-oath-keepers-pleads-guilty-seditious-conspiracy-and-obstruction


Then they'll need supporting evidence that will stand up in court. E-mails, texts, burner phones, whatnot. It appears they already made one go at that...they tried to raid Roger's room on 1/6. Do you really think they just said: "aw, too bad" after it came out that he'd already left town after 1/6 went bad?

https://twitter.com/sparrowmedia/status/1450847442342227982

And we know both the DOJ and the Committee remain very, very interested in Roger and are still actively gathering evidence on him. The DOJ doesn't like to show its hand before they charge but if they're gathering evidence on him, it means he's under investigation by a Grand Jury already. Which is, well, obvious.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2022/06/24/roger-stone-footage-video-capitol/

What comes next seems...well. I guess we'll see. I have my ideas. Roger is neither careful nor subtle.

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Okay, so here are the facts you presented ...


Jul 6, 2022, 2:58 PM

Some of the oath keepers have pled guilty to trying to stop the transfer of power. Also, Roger Stone is under investigation.

Therefore, Trump planned a violent armed coup of the government. Got it.

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Re: Okay, so here are the facts you presented ...


Jul 6, 2022, 3:41 PM

Yup. Again, Roger Stone is a paid political fixer, a guy who makes his money working the dark end of the street and doing dirty deeds for rich patrons. He does not work for free...and he does not work for himself. He's always fancied himself a Machiovellian gentleman spy who can work the levers of power. It's his image, for cryin' out loud.

Why was he being paid to hang with the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers...who were plotting a seditious conspiracy - not "stopping the transfer of power" - and who were indeed planning violence?




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Re: Because, if they've had them for more than a week, and


Jul 7, 2022, 1:47 AM [ in reply to Re: Because, if they've had them for more than a week, and ]

So the fact that Stone, Bannon, et al are self-promoting narcissists is not recognized by DJT's supporters?

C'mon ... that's nothing new.

And it isn't rare among political advisors. Axelrod, S.Rice, et al, anyone?

Narcissists who like to show off and be controversial are not in the same universe as real criminals. Just because you don't like their public behavior / public personas (and I don't care for it) doesn't mean that they belong in jail.

Nor does it even remotely prove some sort of enormous gaming addict type of criminal conspiracy by Trump.

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Re: Anybody who thinks that Trump planned a violent coup is a


Jul 7, 2022, 1:33 AM [ in reply to Re: Anybody who thinks that Trump planned a violent coup is a ]

Roger Stone's photo op with the Oath Keepers is 'meaningful proof' of his violent intentions as was Nancy Pelosi's marching with the George Floyd rioters back in 2020.

Stupid as He77, of course. But hardly 'proof positive' of DJT's 'heinous' masterplan to overthrow the Gov't.

And please stop it with Hutchinson's testimony. She is a proven phony ... special witness my eggs.

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Listen to yourself


Jul 6, 2022, 10:54 AM [ in reply to Anybody who thinks that Trump planned a violent coup is a ]

"Um, he tried all the legal and perhaps illegal ways to desperately turn this over... but but but it's crazy to think he wouldn't take very drastic measures in the 11th hour!"

Get real.

Also, "anyone who disagrees with me is an emotionally damaged clown and a lunatic! There!!!"

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Listen to yourself ...


Jul 6, 2022, 11:24 AM

"Nobody has actually testified that they witnessed Trump actively planning and organizing an armed violent coup, but we have pics of Roger Stone talking to the Proud Boys and Hutchinson heard "something to the effect of ..." and Trump is disgusting and tried to overturn the election so just connect the dots, he HAD to have planned a violent armed third world style coup! No actual proof is needed, because we just know this is what happened! I mean, look at those pics of Roger Stone!"

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I don't think there is "proof" that Trump planned...


Jul 6, 2022, 11:31 AM

or was complicate in planning a violent coup.

However, there are a fair number of trails that seem to be pointing in that, or a similar, direction that need to be flushed out.

It is a crying shame that the Senate blocked the 9-11 style commission. It would have been a better forum for a public investigation. Would have also been better for McCarthy not to have killed GOP participation in the House committee.

But we are where we are and you simply dismissing the idea as crazy doesn't make it so. There is some smoke towards this and there may be fire. I think time will tell.

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There is no way a third world style armed coup could work,


Jul 6, 2022, 12:15 PM

take hold, and be sustainable in the U.S.. I believe Trump was delusional and desperately wanted to hold onto the presidency, but he and his advisors knew that too. He was not that crazy. What if the Proud boys got in, took hostages, and forced an illegitimate outcome? How long would that stand with the Americam people? What kind of Presidency would that be for Trump? What kind of country would he be President of? That's all insanity - he would have had no claim to legitimacy, and his "reign" would have been short and disastorous for him. I know that what he actually attempted was crazy and disatorous enough, but an armed coup would have been on a whole other level of insanity.

I welcome a legitimate investigation into the facts, led by people who don't have a personal or political agenda, and if anything illegal is found, throw the book at Trump or any involved.

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Re: There is no way a third world style armed coup could work,


Jul 6, 2022, 12:32 PM

If his political opponents were dead, and he had control of the DOJ and the military - he was putting his own loyalists in place in both - who would be left to stop him?

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All of America. It would have been violence and chaos in


Jul 6, 2022, 12:48 PM

the streets like you have never seen. The storming of the capitol, and the summer riots would look like summer camp by comparison. Financial markets would close and crash. Businesses would shut down. The whole world would be rocked. Trump would have had no country to preside over. Zero legitimacy.

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Re: All of America. It would have been violence and chaos in


Jul 6, 2022, 1:46 PM

You think Trump would have cared about any of that? He's a level 10 with Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Delusional and irrational
thinking is a symptom of that.

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Neither was Pence not certifying the election...


Jul 6, 2022, 12:48 PM [ in reply to There is no way a third world style armed coup could work, ]

but that didn't seem to stop him. I know a violent coup is a degree more of stretch.

But frankly, I don't think Trump was ruled by logic or sanity, especially after the election. And an idea can't simply be ruled out because it was crazy. He was willing to consider just about anything to hold onto power. THAT ought to be the main focus of everything...we can argue the details, but his desire and willingness to break the law to retain power really isn't up for reasonable discussion.

I welcome a legitimate investigation into the facts, led by people who don't have a personal or political agenda Me too, but the current House committee is the best public option available right now and the blame for that rests solely on Trump-influenced Republicans that put political ambitions ahead of what was best for the country. Essentially McCarthy and McConnell folded to Trump. It was clear their initial attitude towards what happened on Jan 6 changed. I bet if the idea of a 9-11 commission would have come up on January 7, prior to everyone returning to political orbit around Trump and his blessings, it would have been supported by enough Republicans in the Senate to gain support.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/05/27/republicans-to-block-january-6-commission-491162


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Re: Listen to yourself ...


Jul 6, 2022, 11:44 AM [ in reply to Listen to yourself ... ]

That's why they're holding an investigation. To examine stuff just like this. For you to summarily dismiss them (which is absurd given how bad it looks) and label anyone who doesn't agree with you on this just means you're a partisan hack.

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Re: Listen to yourself ...


Jul 6, 2022, 12:31 PM

I am only dismissing non-proof that is presented (by you) as some kind of "gotcha" proof.

Now, if there is testimony from the Proud Boys that Stone (or Trump) did plan an armed coup with them, then you have something. Then that would have to be investigated, examined, and subjected to cross examination. Otherwise you have nothing. ZERO. Just a picture of people who may or may not have discussed an armed coup. You can't make that leap just because you don't like the guy, or because they are both crooks, or because it's likely that's what they talked about. It doesn't work that way.

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Re: Listen to yourself ...


Jul 7, 2022, 10:31 AM

I am only dismissing non-proof that is presented (by you) as some kind of "gotcha" proof.

I didn't submit any proof.

Now, if there is testimony from the Proud Boys that Stone (or Trump) did plan an armed coup with them, then you have something.

There has been a testimony from a Proud Boy.

Then that would have to be investigated, examined, and subjected to cross examination. Otherwise you have nothing. ZERO. Just a picture of people who may or may not have discussed an armed coup. You can't make that leap just because you don't like the guy, or because they are both crooks, or because it's likely that's what they talked about. It doesn't work that way.

I didn't say it DID work that way. I said it's bad look. I didn't call it proof. YOU also don't know all the evidence they have.

You have already stated that you refuse to hear anything to the contrary of what you've already established in your head, and you call anyone who disagrees stupid names. You aren't open-minded to the possibility that this happened. Thus, blind partisan hackery.

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Re: Listen to yourself


Jul 7, 2022, 1:51 AM [ in reply to Listen to yourself ]

It takes the wildest imaginations to dream up these 'its got to be true because I can imagine that its true' conspiracies.

Got to give you credit, you have a very creative brain.

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Re: Listen to yourself


Jul 7, 2022, 10:49 AM

Does it take a wild imagination considering team MAGA is asking for pardons? I'll wait.

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Re: Do any lefties really understand why DJT wanted peace at J6?


Jul 6, 2022, 9:35 AM

DPOTY

dumb

year

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Re: Do any lefties really understand why DJT wanted peace at J6?


Jul 7, 2022, 1:52 AM

Boy, you are clever.

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Re: Do any lefties really understand why DJT wanted peace at J6?


Jul 6, 2022, 11:00 AM

RememberTheDanny Clemson mountaineers NC_Tiger_ Smiling Tiger® CharlestonTom® and KeoweeIndians® are getting absolutely wrecked in this thread.

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Re: Do any lefties really understand why DJT wanted peace at J6?


Jul 7, 2022, 1:56 AM

Again, you have a very creative brain with a truly wild imagination.

Unfortunately, the wild imagination part impairs your ability to weigh the arguments, examine your biases, and come to the "intellectual and integrity" conclusion that you yourself refuse to recognize.

But FWIW, I do think you're a smart guy with genuine potential. (Again, I suspect that you don't GAS about my opinion ... that's OK.)

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typical Jets fan


Jul 6, 2022, 11:12 AM

https://youtu.be/GP_K5czbny4?t=77

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I know this is petty and off topic somewhat


Jul 6, 2022, 5:11 PM

but can we talk about how unattractive Roger Stone is? That is one of the Fugliest dudes I have seen in awhile oh except for the Highland Park killer. From the top of their foreheads to their chins they have both been beat with an ugly stick. Oh and the goofy suits and hats and glasses. What a weenie he is.

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Re: I know this is petty and off topic somewhat


Jul 7, 2022, 1:57 AM

No argument there ... Roger Stone is a certifiable weenie.

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Re: Do any lefties really understand why DJT wanted peace at J6?


Jul 7, 2022, 5:56 AM

You have to be a moron to believe what you wrote. DJT is a POS and enjoyed the violence and instigated. Its that simple.

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Re: Do any lefties really understand why DJT wanted peace at J6?


Jul 7, 2022, 7:17 AM

Profound insights from Anonymouse ... providing nothing of substance to validate your perspectives about DJT, but quick in an attempt to socially shame me via the "moron" comment.

Maybe there's a children's board on TigerNet ... go there first and then work your way up to the adults' board.

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Re: Do any lefties really understand why DJT wanted peace at J6?


Jul 7, 2022, 8:44 AM

Listen dypshiat. It was tbat obvious. Kill yourself if you really believe what you just wrote. Youre too stupid to live. Yes and instigated and yes he enjoyed it. Now go kill yourself. Youre too stupid to live. Or change and realize youre dumb as dirt and you dont see the obvious. You can grow. Hitler would have lived you though. Youre an idiot at this stage though.

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