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Tiger Titan [50664]
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I can’t believe some of you are doubting Dabo so much.
Jul 2, 2022, 9:08 AM
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I see post after post on TNet about conference expansion, fears that Clemson will be left out, and hand wringing that we won’t have a seat at the table. In short, the concern seems to be that we will be getting a lot less money from our conference each year than the “big boys.”
To that I say, have you forgotten who our coach is?!?
Dabo has always shown an ability to overcome even the longest odds. He has built us into an elite program, and he has done so without being in the SEC or the Big 10. Heck, look at his life and you’ll see a man who persevered despite many significant challenges.
So for those of you worried that we might not be in the biggest or best conference, please remember who our coach is. As is often stated here, money isn’t everything. In fact, it’s far less important that having the right coach in place.
We have that coach, and we will be fine. Go Tigers!
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Re: I can’t believe some of you are doubting Dabo so much.
Jul 2, 2022, 9:12 AM
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Agree that Dabo will keep us relevant but he won’t be here forever. I’m still on the fence myself on whether I’d like to see Clemson go to the mega football conference or remain student athlete focused. The more I see of NIL and the football only focus of these schools the more I lean toward the latter. If I want to watch pro football I’ll watch the NFL.
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Re: I can’t believe some of you are doubting Dabo so much.
Jul 3, 2022, 8:03 AM
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What you are saying is if football changes you don’t care if the program folds. There is no option C so put away your number 2 pencil. Things change and the time is now to change with them or get forgotten.
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Hall of Famer [8404]
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Re: I can’t believe some of you are doubting Dabo so much.
Jul 3, 2022, 8:22 AM
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You think every other college football program that doesn’t get invited to the super conference will fold? Not gonna happen. Theyll keep playing and in my opinion it will resemble a student athlete model way more than the group that splits off.
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Game Day Hero [4596]
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Re: I can’t believe some of you are doubting Dabo so much.
Jul 2, 2022, 9:16 AM
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Although I cannot disagree with you on or about Dabo I do believe this is out of his hands and control. The decision will be made by those even higher than DS. He may have a say and he may give his thoughts but it will be above him. Unless the ACC can pick off the best of what's left in the pac and big 12 and renegotiate a new tv contract the ACC is dead.
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Tiger Titan [50664]
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I agree that this decision is not up to him.
Jul 2, 2022, 11:40 AM
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My point is that he is our coach, and great coaches will be successful regardless of money and resources.
I believe in Dabo, and everyone else here should too.
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Orange Blooded [2367]
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Re: I agree that this decision is not up to him.
Jul 2, 2022, 11:51 AM
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"My point is that he is our coach, and great coaches will be successful regardless of money and resources."
Can I quote you on that come basketball season? Despite what they may be able to do, I would rather not handicap Dabo or Brownell.
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Paw Warrior [4715]
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Re: I agree that this decision is not up to him.
Jul 2, 2022, 12:21 PM
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“My point is that he is our coach, and great coaches will be successful regardless of money and resources.”
-Judge Keller
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Re: I can’t believe some of you are doubting Dabo so much.
Jul 2, 2022, 9:22 AM
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Too bad that basketball doesn’t sweeten the pot of making Clemson Athletics more attractive to other conferences.
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Orange Elite [5372]
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Re: I can’t believe some of you are doubting Dabo so much.
Jul 2, 2022, 9:28 AM
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Basketball revenues are arounding error in college sports. Football rules it all.
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Ring of Honor [21076]
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Re: I can’t believe some of you are doubting Dabo so much.
Jul 2, 2022, 10:12 AM
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I get that football is king but if this is to be believed, basketball revenues on average are over 25% of football revenues. Also, one has to consider football teams are much larger and more expensive than basketball teams (85 football vs.13 basketball scholarships). I wouldn't consider that a rounding error.
https://finance.zacks.com/much-money-college-sports-generate-10346.html
"In fact, football garners more revenue than the next 35 other sports combined at Division I schools. On average, football brings in $31.9 million in revenue, while men's basketball (the second-highest grossing sport) comes in a distant second at $8.1 million. For reference, women's basketball brings in $1.8 million, while rowing brings in just $932,646."
My only point was having a great basketball program (in addition to a great football program) would make any athletics department more desirable if you are shopping around.
Besides that, I read the OP as trying to surreptitiously make a snarky point about how well Clemson has supported the football program while not supporting the basketball program. Not to mention mocking fans worshiping Coach Swinney.
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Orange Elite [5372]
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Re: I can’t believe some of you are doubting Dabo so much.
Jul 2, 2022, 11:17 AM
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Ok… who want Kansas?
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Ring of Honor [21076]
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Re: I can’t believe some of you are doubting Dabo so much.
Jul 2, 2022, 5:27 PM
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Reading comprehension, my friend. Please read what I wrote again.
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Jul 3, 2022, 12:20 PM
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The OP is an extremely arrogant and disingenuous person whose envy and loathing of the football program combined with sycophantic support of one man invariably ends up in all his posts.
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Re: I can’t believe some of you are doubting Dabo so much.
Jul 2, 2022, 9:44 AM
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Yea I too believe this is a little more than what Dabo can do. I’m sure he heavily suggest things but we are not talking just football. In the end I just want him happy with whatever comes of this and wants to remain our head coach for years to come.
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Tiger Titan [50664]
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Sorry if I wasn’t clear. I wasn’t suggesting that Dabo will be making these decisions.
Jul 2, 2022, 11:45 AM
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My point was that he is an outstanding coach and will keep us successful even if we are at a significant financial disadvantage.
Great coaches don’t need the most money or the best facilities. At the end of the day, it’s all about having a vision and executing that vision by connecting with players and fans, inspiring them, and doing what it takes to be successful. Dabo has shown that he can do that. Let’s trust him.
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CU Guru [1237]
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Re: Sorry if I wasn’t clear. I wasn’t suggesting that Dabo will be making these decisions.
Jul 2, 2022, 11:56 AM
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I was beginning to believe that this is a genuine post; but the phrase "great coaches don't need the most money or the best facilities" after repeatedly stating that coaches Coach Brownell needs great facilities to compete, shows that you are simply trolling - now admit it  .
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A) Clemson will NEVER get left behind regardless of
Jul 2, 2022, 12:22 PM
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how things realign, and B) you don't have to look any further than right now to see the affect of having millions of dollars in difference between us vs the SEC and Big 10 in money. That is, every single program in the SEC and Big 10 make way more money than us, but only one of them (Alabama) can compare with us over the CFP era. We have more than enough money to be at the very top of college football. We are lacking nothing.
If a $30 million difference (more?) isn't holding us back now, how would $50 million or even $100 million change jt?
In the Big 10 and SEC, it can be shown with most of the team that those tons of extra money do not make for better football programs. What else can possibly be done with the money? We have all the facilities and coaches we want and need. Having a gazillion more dollars wouldn't make us any better.
Way too much emphasis is put on the money, as if that changes those other programs. We are fortunate to have everything we need and of roller coasters on football grounds become the next greatest thing, then we'll build one.
More money is nice, but it's not required for us to be one of the very best programs in the country.
The more important thing is that we maintain a seat at the table, and let's be honest here - no way, no how will Clemson University get left behind.
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Tiger Titan [50664]
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While basketball is certainly going to be a consideration in conference realignment
Jul 2, 2022, 11:42 AM
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it is far less important than football. Football brings in way more money for conferences.
That’s why you won’t see other conferences clamoring for Kansas, Kentucky, and Duke. They don’t bring enough to the table when it comes to football.
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Orange Elite [5372]
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Exactly!***
Jul 2, 2022, 12:11 PM
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CU Medallion [20857]
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Our time with Dabo is limited.
Jul 2, 2022, 9:45 AM
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No since in needlessly hogtieing football and other athletics programs longer term with that reasoning. For instance, it will be more difficult to recruit Brad's successor for basketball if we are starting off behind the financial 8 ball from a media rights standpoint. Best to keep pace as best we can across the board to keep our options in all programs the strongest.
Go Tigers!
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Tiger Titan [50664]
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We have had many discussions here over the years
Jul 2, 2022, 11:49 AM
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and the consensus has been that it’s all about the coach, his vision, and his ability to recruit and develop players.
As we know, Dabo is excellent at all of these things. So what if we don’t have the most money, aren’t the most popular destination for recruits, or no longer have the best facilities? As long as we have the basics in place, recruits will choose Clemson because of our coach. Dabo is that coach.
He has won two national championships here, and made our program elite. We shouldn’t be questioning him now, even if we find ourselves left out of the SEC or Big 10.
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CU Medallion [20857]
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Oh, Judge. Who didn't see this coming, right,
Jul 2, 2022, 12:50 PM
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from your opening set-up?
Let me help you along with this. The consensus I have seen over the years is that no amount of money will help the wrong coach. Obviously, Dabo has been a right one. He built an elite powerhouse that stuck it to bigger and better funded programs right and left. Bigly. And he seems poised to continue that success. But there is one thing that he and every other coach in any sport has had here over the years with which to accomplish that, and you said it correctly - the basics. The discussion recently about media rights funding, including premier scheduling opportunities, is about maintaining those basics for Clemson in all of our athletics endeavors. I don't recall any discussion where money or resources was zeroed out in its importance or necessity, as being 'all about the coach' would imply.
I suspect you know that.
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Re: I can’t believe some of you are doubting Dabo so much.
Jul 2, 2022, 10:07 AM
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As a newcomer here I have quickly spotted you as am keen observer and wise poster.
But, here we are world's apart.
We are looking at generational decisions with risk factors running into billions of dollars. No coach will have any significant impact in the decisions made, not Dabo or Saint Nick. ADs probably have no major part either.
Coaches are temporary,at-will employees neither qualified or entitld to make huge decades-impacting decisions.
Political appointees at the Chancellor or President level, Lawyers and sophisticated financial modelers will formulate a best set of options that University Boards will review and decide.
Coaches may, or may not, be given the courtesy of late inning opinion but will never take the lead in where their school might move.
We can plug in " any school, anywhere" and today be confident they are all feverishly evaluating, asking, begging and praying they find the right spot.
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Re: I can’t believe some of you are doubting Dabo so much.
Jul 2, 2022, 11:36 AM
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Lol - you haven’t paid much attention in your limited time if you think JK is a keen and wise. He’s an unrepentant troll.
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Exactly how many scoks does this lady have?
Jul 2, 2022, 12:06 PM
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She's definitely a transparent troll.
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Tiger Titan [50664]
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Thanks for the kind words.
Jul 2, 2022, 11:52 AM
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I wasn’t clear in my original post. I am not suggesting that Dabo will be making the decisions for Clemson as they relate to conference realignment. I agree, that’s what the AD and president will be handling.
My point was that as long as Dabo is our coach, we don’t have to have the most funding or the best facilities, or even be in the best conference. Recruits want to play for a winner, independent of all of those things. At the end of the day, it’s not about money. It’s about the coach, and I love ours.
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Orange Blooded [2367]
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Re: Thanks for the kind words.
Jul 2, 2022, 12:05 PM
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Are you delusional enough to think that Graham Neff holds more power than Dabo Swinney? I'm not saying that Dabo wants to be involved, but if he does he will be. I doubt that Jim Clements could survive a power struggle with Dabo, but I know that Neff wouldn't.
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Tiger Titan [50664]
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Of course Neff holds more power than Dabo Swinney
Jul 2, 2022, 3:23 PM
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when it comes to these sorts of negotiations and decisions.
Remember what happened to Danny Ford?
I am confident that Dabo will be kept in the loop, and will surely be asked his opinion, but his skill set isn’t managing an athletic department and making decisions to shape a university for generations to come.
This isn’t to say that Dabo couldn’t possibly be good at those things if he spent many years learning them and gaining experience, but it’s an insult to Neff and others who do this kind of thing for a living to think that Dabo can do it better or will be asked to drive the ship.
Having Dabo be a big player in this decision is no less ridiculous than Neff telling Dabo how to coach football.
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Orange Blooded [2367]
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Re: Of course Neff holds more power than Dabo Swinney
Jul 3, 2022, 9:21 AM
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Danny Ford was fired for fear of getting the "death penalty" like SMU had a few years prior. Still the football team threatened to strike, and 10,000 fans showed up on Bowman field for a service. Had Max Lennon not left town, the fans probably would have overrun the police surrounding his home. Dabo has made none of the same mistakes as Danny, and has had considerably more success. The situation is not similar in the least.
What experience does Neff or Clements have that applies to making a conference change? There is nothing that they have done that would make them any more qualified than Dabo. However, any conference change would be made in order to put the football team in a better situation. Who knows better about what would be best for the Clemson football team than Dabo? I'm not saying that Dabo will be active in any negotiations, but the decision will be his.
If Clements or Neff enters into negotiations, without having Dabo set specific criteria to be met or without having Dabo have a final say in accepting the terms, then neither is qualified to enter in the negotiations in the first place.
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Nobody doubts Dabo, this is beyond his control…
Jul 2, 2022, 10:14 AM
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The ACC can’t keep up with the revenue being generated by the two mega-conferences, and we can’t afford to get left behind. A decision has to be made, and IMHO it’s time for Clemson to go unless the ACC can work a miracle. If the ACC doesn’t work that miracle, we negotiate with the SEC and Big Ten and see which conference is willing to help with the cost associated with the stupidly long Grant of Rights agreement we signed.
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Re: Nobody doubts Dabo, this is beyond his control…
Jul 2, 2022, 11:02 AM
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Agree.
Everything judge pointed out is correct. But Dabo made us relavent by taking down the big boys, not only in post season but regular season. Proved we had staying power etc. However, he did that only because he had that opportunity. He can't do that if there is no opportunity. With 2 mega conferences, there will be little to no opportunity to play those teams. They'll be playing each other.
We'll be relegated back to a coastal or Cincy, scratching scraps for a big game. With 20 team conference, each team may have 2 ooc games a year. One with instate small school and then most likely a game with someone in the other big conference.
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Re: Nobody doubts Dabo, this is beyond his control…
Jul 2, 2022, 11:20 AM
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The ACC can’t keep up with the revenue being generated by the two mega-conferences, and we can’t afford to get left behind. A decision has to be made, and IMHO it’s time for Clemson to go unless the ACC can work a miracle. If the ACC doesn’t work that miracle, we negotiate with the SEC and Big Ten and see which conference is willing to help with the cost associated with the stupidly long Grant of Rights agreement we signed.
You bring up an interesting point about potential landing spots for us helping with the GoR $. I got into a discussion about this with a good friend of mine I went to HS with many moons ago who is an OU alum. His argument is that the SEC basically said "your responsibility to handle that" to both OU and Texas regarding any buy-out fees of both conference and media rights applicable to them leaving their current conference so that makes me wary that they'd tell OU and Texas no yet help potential ACC additions. I have no idea what stance the B10 might take. They may full well be willing to assist in order to add us. There's just so many moving pieces to all of this. I just hate losing the CFB we all know and love. That's what bothers me the most about both the misuse of NIL that we are seeing with so many other programs along with the creation of this whole "super-conferences" crap.
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Tiger Titan [50664]
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But as has been discussed here many times, money doesn’t really matter.
Jul 2, 2022, 12:00 PM
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As long as enough money is there to pay coaches a fair salary and have solid facilities, it’s really about the coach.
Dynamic leaders sell a vision to players, fans, and the administration. I don’t think Dabo will stop being an inspirational leader anytime soon, regardless of our conference affiliation.
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Tiger Titan [50664]
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How much revenue is truly needed to be successful?
Jul 2, 2022, 12:03 PM
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Beyond paying our coaches a fair salary, having proper support staff in place, and having good facilities, what else is needed?
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Easy answer:
Jul 2, 2022, 12:27 PM
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Good coaching. Basketball has all the things you mentioned, but lacks the coaching leadership to reach our potential.
Any other questions?
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Re: I can’t believe some of you are doubting Dabo so much.
Jul 2, 2022, 11:00 AM
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Re: I can’t believe some of you are doubting Dabo so much.
Jul 2, 2022, 11:15 AM
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Everything that is posted on this subject, outside of TNet news posts, is speculation. Who knows exactly who will be in on the decision-making, or how it will all shake out. One thing is evident, the upcoming football season just became more important than ever.
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Re: I can’t believe some of you are doubting Dabo so much.
Jul 2, 2022, 11:35 AM
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I assume this backhanded, trolling post is supposed to imply something negative about Dabo. But doesn’t this really fall on Neff’s plate? And haven’t you insinuated that you have a personal connection with him and that he is the bestest AD ever? So why should we worry?
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That sheep's clothing fits you well.***
Jul 2, 2022, 11:59 AM
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National Champion [8040]
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Not worried about Dabo and football, but…
Jul 2, 2022, 12:53 PM
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Brad Brownell will be screwed without all that extra money. Unlike Dabo, he hasn’t proven he can do more with less.
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The big question for me is:
Jul 2, 2022, 1:31 PM
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Where is the beloved NCAA on these matters of great importance???
As a visionary I can see them no longer involved in the sports world, in the near future. They especially needed an overhaul years ago imo
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Re: I can’t believe some of you are doubting Dabo so much.
Jul 2, 2022, 4:44 PM
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It seems like almost every one of your posts is like a mother guilting her child.
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Game Day Hero [4117]
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I don't think anyone is doubting Dabo in this situation
Jul 2, 2022, 5:50 PM
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But this isn't just about winning. This is about possibly being stuck in an irrelevant conference. If things happen like people are predicting (and they very well may not). The ACC will become like the Sunbelt is now. No Sunbelt champion has ever gotten into the playoffs. Cincinnati did finally make it in the American, but that was barely and with much criticism, and required a win over NOTRE DAME. Not sure what's going to happen with Notre Dame...but if the SEC continues to expand, they may cancel future games with Clemson. (UofSC probably won't, but Georgia already did that before) And without playing Georgia or Auburn or LSU, our SoS may be too weak to get us in. I don't see anyone in the ACC that will be strong in football over the next several years. I could be wrong. But I'm not seeing it.
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