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Football is important, but boys we better get our relationsh
Nov 13, 2012, 9:11 AM
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ip right with Jesus and our family. I believe this world is ending fast. Jesus is the answer, ask for his forgiveness and his eternal love, he saved me and he can save you.
Now beat USuC and lets at least get something back to normal !!!!! GO TIGERS!!!!
tmail me if needed. Thanks
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if I tmail you, you promise not to ask me to send pics of my
Nov 13, 2012, 9:30 AM
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Re: Football is important, but boys we better get our relationsh
Nov 13, 2012, 9:32 AM
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ok guys, settle down***
Nov 13, 2012, 9:34 AM
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Heisman Winner [138353]
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Check tmail.***
Nov 13, 2012, 9:41 AM
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Rock Defender [54]
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The Holy Hand off -
Nov 13, 2012, 9:44 AM
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Rock Defender [54]
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Jesus runs the option?***
Nov 13, 2012, 10:09 AM
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Ring of Honor [32958]
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Jesus is just alright with me.***
Nov 13, 2012, 10:02 AM
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Rock Defender [54]
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This is a Christian sales tactic used by many...
Nov 13, 2012, 10:09 AM
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Much like in business..."LIMITED TIME OFFERS" usually get real good response. Probably the greatest weapon in the evangelist's arsenal.
If all you're selling is fire insurance brother, I don't want any part of it.
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All-In [26968]
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Hey, if not going to hell is your only reason to get saved,
Nov 13, 2012, 10:12 AM
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I'd say that's a great reason. Then afterward, you can learn of all the daily benefits.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Fear is a terrible, but effective motivator.
Nov 13, 2012, 10:18 AM
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It builds weak Christians who will likely fall. Not sure when the Church will wake up and stop using gimmicks like fire insurance and limited time offers. It's sad, and I believe it has turned more people off to faith than has produced authentic believers.
Seeing Christ for who he is, and loving him because of what he has done builds a strong Christian who is motivated out of love. It creates a daily relationship, born out of immense gratitude and the overwhelming grace and mercy of a loving God.
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I believe this conversation is over, and we have a winner.***
Nov 13, 2012, 10:21 AM
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I don't think warning sinners about hell is a gimmick.
Nov 13, 2012, 10:22 AM
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If so, Jesus used gimmicks all the time.
Weak Christians are more a result of weak discipleship after salvation than weak methods of witnessing.
I got saved because I had just heard a message about hell and didn't want to go. But my parents still made me go to church and continue to learn the things of God, to help me grow as a Christian. Now, you can't make a adult do anything, but new Christians must have a strong support system, or be thrown to the wolves.
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Rock Defender [54]
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So...honestly grade the Church on this support system
Nov 13, 2012, 10:27 AM
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throughout the last 100-150 years then.
The whole system is setup to get them saved by hook or by crook. The system isn't setup to disciple.
You think street preachers and tract hander outers are big on discipleship? Tent-revival types? Evangelists?
Can you honestly say that the church is succeeding in this part?
I liken it to the church's stance on Abortion. We will picket and riot over a child's life to live, but how many megachurches run orphanages, have support for widows, single mothers? We just want them born...then they can fend for themselves? Same situation. We want people born in Christ...sometimes even by pressure...then once they are saved from Hell...they have to figure it out on their own.
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All-In [26968]
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Absolutely the Church is failing at discipleship.
Nov 13, 2012, 10:29 AM
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The grade is F.
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If you're at a fork in the road...
Nov 13, 2012, 10:28 AM
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The left turn taking you off a cliff to certain death, and the right road taking you to an ice cream cone...I'd say not wanting to go off the cliff is a good reason to take the right road, whether you know about the ice cream cone or not. You just want to stay with an inexperienced driver and help them stay between the lines getting there.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Pat em on the back...Enjoy your ice cream...
Nov 13, 2012, 10:30 AM
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they never hear from anyone again.
Eating the ice cream cone produces zealous young (fat) Christians, who eventually get sick of ice cream...
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Yes...I'm not sure we disagree all that much.***
Nov 13, 2012, 10:31 AM
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Rock Defender [54]
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Probably not...
Nov 13, 2012, 10:34 AM
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I've just heard these pitches all my life, and it was not the only tactic Christ used.
It seems to be the only tactic we use...and we beat people up over it.
I think we could approach this from a completely different angle and "catch more flies with honey than with vinegar" so to speak.
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All-In [26968]
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Definitely don't think it's the only worthwhile method...
Nov 13, 2012, 10:37 AM
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But I believe it is a tremendously important method. "Repent, for God's judgment is at hand!" is all throughout the Bible. Naturally, since that method was used to transform my life and eternal destiny, maybe I'm biased.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Mine too, and I'm biased the other way.
Nov 13, 2012, 10:39 AM
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I lived most of my life out of obligation and fear.
The last two have been discovering what grace is truly all about.
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Ring of Honor [32958]
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If you're being forked in the road, just take it.***
Nov 13, 2012, 10:49 AM
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Rock Defender [54]
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110%er [8142]
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I don't think you can "get saved" as you call it...
Nov 13, 2012, 1:59 PM
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... unless you actually believe that Jesus is our Lord and Savior. Saying you believe so you want go to hell ain't gonna fly. And it's not likely to result in a lot of those daily benefits, either.
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All-In [26968]
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Well, yes, of course.
Nov 13, 2012, 2:29 PM
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I didn't mean to say that not wanting to go to hell is how you get saved. It's just a good reason to do it, just as you described.
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All-In [26968]
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Great post. Praise the Lord for your witness.***
Nov 13, 2012, 10:11 AM
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Perry Noble enters the lunge***
Nov 13, 2012, 10:24 AM
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Orange Blooded [3396]
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Don't worry, the world isn't ending.
Nov 13, 2012, 10:26 AM
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Gay buttsecks is just a natural cycle of the earth. Sort of like global warming of the b'hole.
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Rock Defender [54]
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The Greeks that Paul evangelized LOVED Gabe Uttsechs.***
Nov 13, 2012, 10:28 AM
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CU Medallion [54759]
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and finally, I've found a name for my altar ego.***
Nov 13, 2012, 10:32 AM
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The world will end, but only the man upstairs knows when***
Nov 13, 2012, 10:51 AM
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CU Medallion [54759]
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ok.***
Nov 13, 2012, 10:54 AM
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Rock Defender [54]
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I am one of "those" people and I am proud of it...
Nov 13, 2012, 11:15 AM
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I go to church, I tithe, I believe, I pray and I know about my salvation and about what God can do in your life.
I am scared to death of Baptist Churches, Tent Revivals, Pentecostals and I do not like the new Mega-Hard Rock-Churches.
So, I agree with Clone's assessment and appreaciate what he has to say. But, I disagree that there really is a spaghetti monster that I should be thinking about instead of God.
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Rock Defender [54]
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disagree...spaghetti monster?
Nov 13, 2012, 1:33 PM
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where did I say anything like that?
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Rock Defender [54]
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AND FOR SOME IT WILL END TONIGHT! ARE YOU READY
Nov 13, 2012, 11:02 AM
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ARE YOU READY TO GO OUT OF THIS WORLD BROTHER, OR ARE YOU READY TO SPLIT HELL WIDE OPEN. WHAT IF YOU DIED RIGHT NOW, WHAT IF YOU'RE KILLED IN A CAR ACCIDENT ON THE WAY HOME FROM TONIGHT'S SERVICE...YOU GOT TO MAKE THIS CHOICE RIGHT NOW FRIEND..
Not sure that's the kind of sales tactics Christ had in mind.
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thats what wrong with the world today, we think everything
Nov 13, 2012, 2:08 PM
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is on "OUR" time, its all about "me" and what I can get or do.
I am ready if I die tonight, I hope you are my friends because you never know.
Some people are real HIGH on themself and what they "think" a church should be, a "CHRUCH" is al about its people, and Baptist church's scare you? Really? what church do you go to? why do they scare you, becasue they tell the truth? or because they tell you what you don't want to hear? I don't understand.
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Well, the Sun will become a red giant at some point...
Nov 13, 2012, 2:03 PM
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... and it will indeed be the fire next time. But really, astronomers give us a few billion years before that happens, so chill. Just think what the all-time Clemson-USC record will be by then.
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so you rely on scientist to tell you when the earth will end
Nov 13, 2012, 2:10 PM
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you must believe in evolution too
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110%er [8142]
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Why yes, I do.***
Nov 13, 2012, 2:12 PM
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I'll have to admit, it's a logical conclusion.***
Nov 13, 2012, 2:15 PM
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so you don't believe in the bible either, we evolved from
Nov 13, 2012, 2:18 PM
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apes and monekey
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Ring of Honor [32958]
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Welcome to the general boreds. You're a natural here...***
Nov 13, 2012, 2:22 PM
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I believe in God. I believe in the Bible as...
Nov 13, 2012, 2:28 PM
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... a work of men, perhaps divinely inspired, but subject to the foibles of human nature and the effects of time on oral traditions. If you look at particularly the oldest stories of the Bible as allegories rather than literal descriptions, you'll find a lot of similarities with modern scientific accounts. And that includes the apocalyptic predictions of an earth destroyed by fire, and the Sun's future as a red giant.
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you think that is the only way by fire the earth could be
Nov 13, 2012, 5:03 PM
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destroyed? Not Nuclear, Volcanic, Meteors? just the sun?
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