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I am quite sure I will be a minority of one here, but for
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Aug 4, 2023, 8:51 AM
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me, the first move the ACC ought to make to revamp themselves is give Notre Dame the boot. The Irish are never going to join the conference in football. So, since football IS the primary money maker, get rid of Notre Dame sucking even a partial share of ACC income away from the other, full member schools.
Secondly, an unequal revenue sharing model HAS to happen. But, it should not be, as FSU wants, carved out for specific schools. It should be done on merit on the field, in other words, pay for results. If, as they say, FSU is at the top of the conference, they would reap the winners share. Set it up like a PGA Tour golf tournament. You get paid according to your performance.
Those who do not put forth much effort on the football field, should NOT be rewarded equally to those who sink many more millions annually into recruiting, coaching salaries, and facilities. You should reap what you sow.
Now, the ENTIRE amount of TV revenue should not be in play in this scenario. If the ACC brings in ~$40 Million a year per school, then $20 million of that should go to each school regardless. The other half should be subject to this pay for performance plan. With Notre Dame booted, that would be a pool of 20 x 14 = $280 Million up for grabs.
Now, this is an overly simplistic view of things, for sure. There ARE other revenue sports, but that revenue is a drop in the bucket compared to football. And, you can say, "Why would a school that is going to finish near the bottom of the league ever agree to this?" If those schools are pragmatic at all, they will agree because, part of something is better than ALL of NOTHING. The ACC will not continue on as is. If it disbands, or the bell cows like Clemson and FSU leave, then suddenly, the remaining schools are a MUCH less desirable TV property, and those $$$ are going away, permanently.
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Re: I am quite sure I will be a minority of one here, but for
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Aug 4, 2023, 9:08 AM
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Interesting an relevant thoughts. I like the $20 mil base payout and $20 mil determined by performance. $20 mil is probably all some of the bottom feeders are really worth. As far as ND, I think that the ACC is earning more with ND playing 5 ACC games a year than they are giving up to ND in payouts. If ND was gone I think it would be subtraction by subtraction.
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Yeah… ND draws in more $ that we give them back***
Aug 4, 2023, 9:17 AM
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ND poses a unique problem, and maybe an opportunity
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Aug 4, 2023, 9:11 AM
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They are under contract to play 5 ACC teams in football through 2036, same as the ACC TV contract. That is figured into the money each school receives as ND road games against ACC teams are a TV draw. If these mega-conferences come into being, as they appear to be doing, and conferences go to more conference games, that leaves ND in a bind as an independent. Who will they play other than Navy, Army and the likes without the ACC games? Quality out of conference games will be scheduled far less other than traditional rivalries.
ND and NBC are locked together, and their new TV deal is approaching. NBC only televises 7 college games a year, ND home games. NBC also has Paramount streaming. Why is the ACC not in conversations with NBC? CBS, ABC-ESPN, FOX are all committed to tons of college football, and other sports by contract. Why not NBC? By adding the ACC, NBC gives ND a playable schedule that can lead to many playoff appearances, gives them a solid footprint for afternoon college football, and cheaper streaming content than producing original shows. It would also increase the annual ACC school take of the almighty $$$ by I would think a substantial amount.
Until a sure landing place for us, FSU and whoever else is secured, we're in the ACC. And let's face it, we are a far stronger playoff contender as a giant in the ACC than an equal in the SEC or B1G
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This is similar to what I proposed too
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Aug 4, 2023, 9:16 AM
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Great minds! 👍
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Re: I am quite sure I will be a minority of one here, but for
Aug 4, 2023, 9:18 AM
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Kicking ND to the curb would decrease the revenue to each school as we got a bump by adding ND as a partial member. So doing something to increase the revenue gap based on ego would not be a good idea.
Paying for performance is not a good metric. I say this because schools like Clemson invest in their football program but will not win the league every year. Pitt won two years ago but they do not invest in their program to nearly the level of Clemson. I would suggest that basing the revenue distribution on how much each school spends on Football and to a lesser extent basketball (both revenue sports).
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And do an exclusive deal with Youtube TV and
Aug 4, 2023, 9:39 AM
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Tell Disney to take a hike.
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Re: I am quite sure I will be a minority of one here, but for***
Aug 4, 2023, 9:44 AM
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Re: I am quite sure I will be a minority of one here, but for
Aug 4, 2023, 9:49 AM
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First, no conference in their right mind would kick out a school especially Notre Dame. Second, a conference is about the 18-22 or so sports that member schools have. For any revenue sharing to pass, the schools would have to see a potential stream of income that rewards the entire program.
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Re: I am quite sure I will be a minority of one here, but for
Aug 4, 2023, 9:51 AM
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If ND gets more money from NBC and closes the money gap for them I'm not sure why the ACC would give them anymore football games when the ACC is playing with less. Let them try to schedule B1G and SEC non con games and with both those conferences getting larger and adding conference games- good luck with that.
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I say no to uneven revenue sharing, maybe to ND boot
Aug 4, 2023, 9:55 AM
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As I said before, uneven revenue sharing furthers the narrative that players are employees, something I vehemently oppose. The "Company's" compensation is directly tied to their performance. I don't like it. Plus, the school DOES profit from their performance...donations increase, applications increase, demand for the school, free marketing, prestige, etc. And finally, we all know performance is not a direct result of investment. Wake could invest tons in football and still have a bad season. One bad coach can crush a program. Then you couple that with lower payments and you just continue to undermine the opportunity for schools to improve, which is what the conference should want.
On ND, I certainly OPPOSE kicking them out...until it's "put up or shut up" time. My position is that they can join as a full member and have say into who else we bring in, or it's time to part ways. We want them as a member, no doubt, but we can't be held hostage forever.
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While I agree in principle with much of your plan
Aug 4, 2023, 10:16 AM
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The Clemson FM graduate in me must point out that having conference payouts be 50% fixed and 50% merit would create nightmares in the AD budgeting department, and would eventually lead to disaster.
How do the finance guys project the athletic teams’ on the field performance 3-5-10 into the future? Ask the coach? And what coach isn’t going to say “count onus to max out the performance part”? When we do outperform budget revenue in a particular year, do we adjust future budgets on the basis of what might be an outlier year?
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