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I, like many, I bet, am kind of ambivalent about Chad Morris
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I, like many, I bet, am kind of ambivalent about Chad Morris
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Jul 19, 2023, 7:42 AM
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being brought back to Clemson. I would also be VERY interested to hear an unfiltered Garrett Riley opinion on that subject. Although, if I have Dabo pegged at all, he discussed it with Riley ahead of making the move.
My trepidation revolves around a couple points. 1) Defenses had begun to figure out The Chad in that last season. Butt, some of that was brought on by 2) I believe he had added so many "frills" that we were almost getting into paralysis by playcall overload. X-Y-Tango-Left-Right-Dippin-Dot on 3! Riley's whole philosophy is simplification, which runs directly counter to what Morris was doing at the end of his tenure here.
The one thing that I hope The Chad DOES help bring back is the HUNH, or as we neophytes call it, the Up-Tempo. It is easy to see, teams that run this well, STILL adversely affect the opposing defense. It was done to us last year. Do unto others, etc, I say.
Lastly, regardless of what was said, if I'm Riley, I have to be just a little bit miffed by this. I am the up and coming superstar offensive coordinator now, the flavor of the month, handpicked by Dabo to rescue us and return us to the promised land, and now Dabo all of a sudden wants to bring back an old version of Rocky Road? What the Heyall?
In summary, I hope this move works great. Butt, I think it far more likely that what happens is that, if we have any sort of success that Chad Morris is given credit for, he will once again buy the quick bus ticket out of Clemson, just as he did before. And, just by bringing him back, whatever the dynamic is, it may sour our chances of keeping Garrett Riley long term. And, that would be a net loss for Clemson, for sure.
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That's my biggest concern too.
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Jul 19, 2023, 7:49 AM
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This is potentially inserting conflict where none was needed. We know this wasn't Riley's request. Why wouldn't Riley get first dibs at requesting analyst personnel and why bring in a re-hash when by all prior appearances, you're trying to completely revamp an offense?
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Re: That's my biggest concern too.
Jul 20, 2023, 12:28 AM
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I just MUST believe this was discussed with Riley and they both ( dabo and Riley ) decided it was a good moved. For this reason, I'm not worried. Dabo would just not do this to under cut Riley.
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Re: I, like many, I bet, am kind of ambivalent about Chad Morris
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Jul 19, 2023, 7:49 AM
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Every time I get lazy, I look up on of 76er®'s poast. At first I say 'whut?' and then I have to walk to the other end of the house to get the dictionary, followed by an 'Ahhh!'
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You are Welcome.
Jul 19, 2023, 8:01 AM
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Even though you don't like history.
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Re: You are Welcome.
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Jul 19, 2023, 10:53 AM
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Wish I had never mentioned it. I was funnin cause you had poasted about folks hijackin threads. I missed your 'history' poast shortly after. A bunch of other netters ask you to bring it back.....I wish you would.............please.
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Re: I, like many, I bet, am kind of ambivalent about Chad Morris
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Jul 19, 2023, 8:00 AM
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You would anyone think CCM would have any say into what offense we run? Dabo did not hire Riley to come in and convert his offense to match the offense run by an analyst at past jobs.
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And so, that being the case, of what real use is Chad Morris
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Jul 19, 2023, 8:05 AM
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to our offense?
With the Riley hire, Dabo got us all jacked up about entering new offensive territory. And then, all of a sudden he goes out and buys a beat up old Winnebago that we have to drag along with the new convoy. It is just a strange move, is all.
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Analysts break down film. You’re assigning way too much
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Jul 19, 2023, 9:07 AM
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influence to what Chads gonna do for us. He ain’t gonna be coaching Cade or calling plays, he’s gonna be breaking down opposing defenses and their tendencies. Like…45 of FSU has a habit of floating in the seam when the slot is to the boundary. Young CB at Louville performs poorly against physical receivers. Which formations cause mismatches. Chad excels at the XO part of the game, the HC and leadership part, not so much.
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Re: Analysts break down film. You’re assigning way too much
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Jul 19, 2023, 10:57 AM
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I agree, this is a back office hire. Don't forget, he's only going to be on campus Monday-Thursday because he wants to fly back to watch his son play. I don't know if that is only home games or away games too but regardless, his hands on with our guys will be limited to non-existent. I do think his analysis will be of value to Riley and I don't believe Riley will feel the least bit intimidated or put off by the move. I'm guessing he wholeheartedly supports it.
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Re: Analysts break down film. You’re assigning way too much
Jul 19, 2023, 5:40 PM
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Finally someone who knows what an analyst does. Why 76er thinks CM will have a louder voice than GR is beyond me. If anything, GR is the boss of CM. This is Riley’s offense and no analyst will change that.
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Re: Analysts break down film. You’re assigning way too much
Jul 20, 2023, 11:10 AM
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More than likely because he/she is stupid.
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How so? Am I misunderstanding the role of an analyst?***
Jul 19, 2023, 9:29 AM
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Lot o points [155978]
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Did you mean to reply to me or are you using
Jul 19, 2023, 5:06 PM
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Multiple accounts?
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Re: Perhaps CMs experience in scouting / analyzing opponents’ defenses ….
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Jul 19, 2023, 8:06 AM
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Seeing insights into tendencies and recognizing opportunities will be an asset to Riley when in comes to game planning.
There’s limited time in season evaluate film on opponents. An experienced analyst could help “‘cut to the chase”.
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Lot o points [155978]
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Based on Chad's track record in the decade since CU,
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Jul 19, 2023, 8:25 AM
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if he had those insights and analytical skills, he would have used them already to still be employed at one of the 4 or 5 jobs he's held.
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As a Head Coach, CM was likely over his head especially if assistants were weak.
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Jul 19, 2023, 9:03 AM
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Auburn and USF are recently train wrecks. Jeff Scott couldn’t get it done at USF even in the middle of a fertile recruiting area (SW Florida).
CM could turn out to be a “has been” but perhaps could revive his career. It terms of relationship with Riley, his son was playing for Riley. So there’s some familiarity.
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It's all good and you seriously raise good points.
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Jul 19, 2023, 9:06 AM
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To be clear, I'm not in the school of thought that says it's gonna hurt....I just don't think it's gonna help much, and if I'm being honest, I don't think Dabo expects it to help much either. This truly feels more like a lifeline than anything else, and that's just our coach....it's all good.
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Re: I, like many, I bet, am kind of ambivalent about Chad Morris
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Jul 19, 2023, 8:28 AM
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I really don't think Morris will be providing much other than watching tape and making a few notes like - "When #8 comes in the game we have a better shot at a deep ball than #16..." or "When #56 moves to end we should try to run the ball to his side".
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Re: I, like many, I bet, am kind of ambivalent about Chad Morris
Jul 19, 2023, 8:55 AM
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I think it’s a lot of handwringing by some for no reason. Riley is in charge. It’s his show. The Chad is just here for support. If any of you would let an analyst run the show in a direction you didn’t want then you aren’t a very good leader. If Riley allows it then he’s not ready for his job.
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It sounds like you aren’t giving Riley enough credit.
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Jul 19, 2023, 10:36 AM
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He’s clearly the offensive coordinator, and an analyst isn’t brought in to override anyone. And even if Morris tries, Riley is a confident coach and isn’t going to let an analyst tell him what to do.
You seem to be trying to create controversy where none exists.
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Re: I, like many, I bet, am kind of ambivalent about Chad Morris
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Jul 19, 2023, 10:45 AM
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What if I told you that hiring Morris was Riley's idea?
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Many of y'all are just missing the obvious reason
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Jul 19, 2023, 11:09 AM
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Dabo and CM go way back. CM is unemployed and Dat Boy has a wallet.
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Re: I, like many, I bet, am kind of ambivalent about Chad Morris
Jul 19, 2023, 11:20 AM
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You should type these, let them sit for a while and then delete them.
You have no idea of what you speak
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Chad Morris reminded me of Oliver Purnell
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Jul 19, 2023, 6:16 PM
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I liked both at first. Springing something new and exciting and effective is great for a program. The problems began when the “one trick pony” didn’t work.
I’ll start w/ OP. OP’s MO was tenacious defense. Frequently full court. It was wonderful when it worked and I was an early OP fan. We beat some teams we should not have beaten. It was not unusual for us to win scoring 50 points or less. The flip side is that if a team can routinely beat your press, the press becomes self-defeating and leads to easy baskets and blow outs. OP never had an effective Plan B. If his press didn’t work, we’d lose by 30 or 40 points.
Chad Morris was the same way. The hurry-up offense was unstoppable if it chewed up yardage and first downs. Chad was one of the architects of that offense and was wedded to it, Arrogantly so, I thought. But just like OP’s full-court press, the hurry-up works wonderfully when you are chewing up yards and first downs, keeping the opposing D on their heels while giving your own D plenty of rest. The problems multiply when you can’t make first downs to sustain drives. A hurry-up “3 and Out” drive can put your D back on the field in less than a minute of game clock. Again, if you don’t have a Plan B, the hurry-up is a recipe to lose ugly.
Another of CM’s “wrinkles” that made me glad to see his taillights was that he refused to line up in anything other than the shotgun or a formation with the QB 5-6 yards behind the LOS. He said we did not “need to have a QB sneak in the play book”. According to Maestro Morris, there was NEVER a need to line up with the QB under center. We lost at least 2 games because we needed inches, but couldn’t even get back to the LOS. He was dead wrong and arrogant about it.
CM has forgotten more football than I will know in several lifetimes. But I am a 60-year fan of college football and sometimes, winning requires moving the ball inches. Your OL can even “get beat” at the line, but if the QB finds a wrinkle, he can get those inches. If your OL gets beat and you’re in a deep set, it’s lights out.
But I am All In. We are where we are because of William Swinney and the organization he put together. If Dabo is in favor of something, so am I.
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Re: I, like many, I bet, am kind of ambivalent about Chad Morris
Jul 20, 2023, 11:17 AM
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It seems to me like Dabo might be covering his bases. Also says to me that Riley might not be here very long and Dabo will insert Morris as OC when and if Riley leaves
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