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How many pro-life, pro-death penalty Republicans we got in

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May 3, 2022, 2:07 PM
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here? Let me here you say, "IDEOLOGICAL INCONSISTENCIES, HEY-OOOOOOOOoooooo!"

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"I'm pro-life, but I agree we should willingly kill folks


May 3, 2022, 2:08 PM
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even though leaving them in prison for the rest of their lives remains an alternative."

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I'm not a Republican, but I am "pro-life"

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May 3, 2022, 2:14 PM
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(in the sense that I am against abortion), and also in favor of the death penalty for first degree murder. I consider the views to be consistent, because I believe the Bible supports both positions.

I don't think the two subjects are related in any other way, though.

It's like being for making multiple passes on one play in basketball, but being against making multiple passes on one play in football. It's not inconsistent...the contexts are completely different.

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Nope.***


May 3, 2022, 2:25 PM
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Re: Nope.***


May 3, 2022, 4:49 PM
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The @pProdigal solved your (in this case, mis-described) contradiction.

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Nope***


May 3, 2022, 7:28 PM
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Awesome. Using the Bible to legitimize capital punishment

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May 3, 2022, 2:27 PM
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what a world.

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May 3, 2022, 4:11 PM
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I've brought this up to you before Prod...

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May 3, 2022, 8:11 PM
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but if we are responsible for the actions of the State (elected by the people) and the State erroneously executes an innocent man (as has happened many times) does that not condemn us all as complicit in that innocent man's death?

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Innocent or not, we're complicit in the killing.

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May 3, 2022, 8:22 PM
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It is we (society) who maintains capital punishment. It is we (society) who condemns people to die. And it is we (society) who kills them. At every milestone of a death sentence, it is society, not the condemned, who makes the conscious choice to pursue death.

We like to think the condemned carry the burden of the death sentence, but that is us attempting to escape moral responsibility for it. The condemned don't commit suicide, we kill them. It is a voluntary, willful act of killing. That is an immutable, inescapable reality of the death penalty whether one believes it is just or not. We choose to kill, when a non-killing alternative exists.

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Agreed.***


May 3, 2022, 8:27 PM
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In a way...


May 4, 2022, 7:32 AM
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The reason we are not 100% perfect in this is the same reason we are not 100% perfect in everything...because man is sinful, by choice. In the sense that we are all sinful, we all contribute to the sinfulness in society, which manifests itself in many ways, including making mistakes in judgements.

In a narrower sense, though, God knows our motives. If someone intentionally lies or deceives in some way to result in a wrongful execution, I would say that man is guilty of murder. If one makes an honest mistake in trying to do the right thing, then I would say that person has not sinned. Though understandably I would expect that person to feel significant guilt and remorse if they knew about it after the fact. God can heal those wounds as well.

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All of your positions here are couched as if the death

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May 4, 2022, 8:05 AM
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penalty is the only option available. It's not. The State makes a voluntary choice to kill, knowing it may be killing an innocent person.

I know you are regarded as the Bible expert here, but you are wrong on this point. The death penalty is not a moral act in the context of the Gospel. You may be able to find a New Testament scripture here or there that recognizes the State's authority to execute, but that is much different from recognizing its moral sanctity. Nothing -- absolutely nothing -- in the context of Jesus' teachings would lead one to believe Christ would approve of the willful killing of any person, guilty or innocent, when other alternatives for justice exist.

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Re: All of your positions here are couched as if the death

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May 4, 2022, 8:10 AM
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"Nothing -- absolutely nothing -- in the context of Jesus' teachings would lead one to believe Christ would approve of the willful killing of any person, guilty or innocent, when other alternatives for justice exist."

This. That's it. Done. No more application of the Bible to justify the death penalty.

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It's Old Testament stuff


May 6, 2022, 7:56 PM
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plagiarized from Hammurabi's Code (which is older than Exodus or Leviticus). But even a death penalty in the old testament required two eye witnesses, not circumstantial evidence.

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I believe the entire Bible, not just the New Testament.


May 4, 2022, 8:15 AM
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All the words of the Bible, the Old and New Testaments are Jesus's words. He is The Word.

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Re: I believe the entire Bible, not just the New Testament.


May 4, 2022, 8:18 AM
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Except for the particular words that applied to the Israelites and not to people today. Come on, Prod!

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That's not correct, in my belief.


May 4, 2022, 8:24 AM
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My statement applies to every word of the Bible.

It is true that the context of some of the words of the Bible do not apply to all people at all times. And that context is clear in the Scripture.

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What's not correct?

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May 4, 2022, 8:45 AM
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Your position is that some of the imperatives in the Bible are true for everyone and others are only true for a small group of people during one period of time.

It's not at all clear in the Scripture that that's the case, but you and I already discovered our differences about that many years ago.

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I stated that all the Bible are the words of Jesus.


May 4, 2022, 8:47 AM
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You said, "Except for..."

I said that was incorrect, in that there are no exceptions. Then I expounded on that further in my post.

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Re: I stated that all the Bible are the words of Jesus.


May 4, 2022, 10:38 AM
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Some of the words aren't true for us. Better?

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Then please rationalize for me the body of work from Christ


May 4, 2022, 8:21 AM
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around mercy, peace, and forgiveness with a commandment to execute those who kill.

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Or how about this.


May 4, 2022, 8:25 AM
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While Christ was dying on the cross, he begged God for forgiveness of those killing him, rather than praying for their punishment. How does that square with Christ sanctioning the death penalty?

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They are not mutually exclusive.


May 4, 2022, 8:32 AM
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The thief on the cross is a great example. He obtained forgiveness, salvation, and eternal life. But that doesn't mean he didn't have to pay with his earthly life for his earthly crimes. Jesus didn't stay his execution. He sure gave him something to look forward to after his execution.

I am completely in favor of personal forgiveness for murderers. In fact, I believe it'd be a sin to NOT forgive them. But that is unrelated to the matter of their execution.

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Forgive them, but still make them pay with their lives.


May 4, 2022, 8:40 AM
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And you see that as different from, say, being forgiven of our sins, and given grace so we don't have to pay with our souls?

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Of course.***


May 4, 2022, 8:41 AM
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All right then.***


May 4, 2022, 8:48 AM
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You've said on here


May 4, 2022, 8:09 AM
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That killing any unborn child is unacceptable. Because it's an innocent life.

You should hold the same view of the death penalty. Those of y'all saying, "Well, it's not perfect, but we get most of em"... that's not a valid argument.

Apply that logic to abortion. "Well, somewhere in there we aborted some rapists and murderers so that's okay. Nothing's perfect."

Removing the third world, archaic, and flawed system is what a free nation should do.

Not every innocent person who has been put to death was a result of someone lying. It was the result of a flawed system.

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Well, that's not my argument.


May 4, 2022, 8:14 AM
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The only, ONLY, reason I'm for the death penalty is Genesis 9:6. Because God said to do it.

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May 4, 2022, 8:15 AM
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Why would I joke about this?***


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Because that is an incredibly farcical position to hold

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May 4, 2022, 8:20 AM
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when it is a fairly established concept in the Christian church that the Gospel of Christ superseded (not replaced) the Law of Moses from the Old Testament, to say nothing of cherry-picking an Old Testament scripture when I'm sure you do not hold yourself to, say, the commandments of Leviticus.

Also, one would have to assume if that scripture is your lynchpin for the Death Penalty, that you also believe the death penalty should be mandatory for any killings -- self-defense, accidental, manslaughter, etc.

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Genesis 9:6 is not in the Law of Moses.


May 4, 2022, 8:34 AM
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Scriptural context is clear, looking at other verses, that God does not view accidental killings the same way as intentional killings. It is clear that Genesis 9:6 is referring to intentional killings.

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An innocent life is an innocent life


May 4, 2022, 8:21 AM
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God didn't say to do that.

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That's correct.


May 4, 2022, 8:37 AM
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We only execute people who have been found guilty. We're not 100% perfect in making that judgment, but that is the standard.

I'm all for a better system for determining that guilt, if we can think of a way to improve it. But I think it's our best attempt at obeying God's command.

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There is a better system.


May 4, 2022, 8:40 AM
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Life sentences.

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I mean a better system specifically for guilt determination.***


May 4, 2022, 8:43 AM
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That is impossible. Insofar as a bulletproof way to


May 4, 2022, 8:46 AM
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determine guilt. So, given this premise, you believe it is more Biblical to support a flawed system that kills innocent people, as opposed to the alternative of not killing them?

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Yes.


May 4, 2022, 8:49 AM
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God knew that man would be imperfect at it when He commanded it. But He commanded it anyway. Why? I don't understand why, but it's my job to obey, even if I don't understand it.

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May 4, 2022, 8:51 AM
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hope you pray on the contradictions. I don't mean that glibly either, but pray so that greater understanding (one way or the other) may occur.

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Again, life sentences...


May 4, 2022, 9:01 AM
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Giving the convicted more time to correct the wrong. Perfect, no? Better than killing him? Yes.

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A couple issues I have with that logic...

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May 4, 2022, 4:30 PM
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1.) Many persons have committed murder while thinking they are doing the "right thing." To take it to an extreme example, suicide bombers think they are doing the "right" thing, but you and I both would describe it as murder and think the person (in the best possible light) has been led astray.

2.) Who determines what "right" is in society? You seem to be arguing that it's "right" to kill a person as a form of punishment even if there are "honest mistakes" that led to the killing of innocent people. I see that as abhorrent, so which is the "right" answer? Maybe there isn't a right answer, so I propose that faced with that fact, it's better to go with the choice that results in less killing of people.

3.) As has been pointed out by others in responses to you, there is an alternative choice to the death penalty that you have to ignore in order for your logic to hold true. Choosing the death penalty over alternatives places us all in the category of "intentionally lying or deceiving in some way that results in wrongful executions."

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Re: A couple issues I have with that logic...


May 5, 2022, 7:27 AM
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1. I don't believe in moral relativism...I believe in Biblical absolutes. It's not an issue of whether someone thinks they are doing the right thing. It's whether they are doing the right thing, according to the Bible. Capital punishment isn't right because someone is trying to do what they think is right...it's right because they are doing something God said to do, in the Bible.

2. God decides that, and He gives us that information in the Bible.

3. My logic is very simple: God said do X, so I support doing X. If the option Y exists, that doesn't change that God said to do X.



If Genesis 9:6 weren't in the Bible, I would agree with your logic completely, and would completely against any death penalty, for all the reasons you stated. But Genesis 9:6 is there, and I can't change it, and it's irrelevant whether I like it, or it fits into human logic.

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How do you see that apply to mistaken executions?

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May 5, 2022, 6:53 PM
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“Whoever sheds human blood,
by humans shall their blood be shed;
for in the image of God
has God made mankind."

Does it not logically follow that if the State/Government is representative of all of us, as a people, when it executes an innocent man that we, too, have "shed that human's blood?" Should our punishment not be the same as the person we killed? How do you see that being different?


2.)and I'd even argue that the passage isn't talking about capital punishment as so much punishment. To treat it as an absolute about Capital Punishment is scary to me because it seems to be treating an interpretation as the only truth that supersedes all else. That leads to very dangerous outcomes, IMO.

That's like saying Genesis 9:3 is absolute that cannibalism is sanctioned by God, no matter if it fits our "human" logic or morals.

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I already pretty much answered that earlier in the thread.


May 6, 2022, 11:00 AM
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If a mistake led to a wrongful execution, then the verse would not apply, as it is clear in Scriptural context that God is referring to intentional killing there. Furthermore, I already said that if someone purposefully and knowingly did something that led to a wrongful execution, that person is guilty of murder, and therefore worthy of execution himself. Not sure in this country whether that kind of thing could actually be tried as murder.

The verse is clear, especially when looking at preceding verses, it is talking about ending the life of a man.

Genesis 9:3 isn't about cannibalism, as Scriptural context gives many examples of God telling people to eat whatever's around, and also to not kill or eat humans. Also, I'm not aware of anyone that reasonably holds that interpretation of that verse. My "interpretation" of Genesis 9:6 is standard, even if a majority of people (I'm sure it's a majority) would not use it justify a modern practice of capital punishment, as I do.

To be clear, no one arguing in this thread is disputing the content of Genesis 9:6 (until your post here). Instead, it's about whether the verse is indeed a command that we should follow today. And that's typical of these debates. So I don't think it's an "interpretation" issue.

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The argument about the scripture is tangential....


May 6, 2022, 6:19 PM
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This is the main point I want you to read and address. The other paragraphs are tangential arguments. But this is the meat of the argument, IMO.

"if someone purposefully and knowingly did something that led to a wrongful execution, that person is guilty of murder, and therefore worthy of execution himself." This is the basis of the argument against Capital Punishment for me. We, as a society, know we have executed innocent people before and that there are alternatives that would not result in the loss of any innocent lives, yet we continue with the practice. Of course, we all wouldn't be tried for it, but in the eyes of God does this not follow the logic you endorse?

If we outlawed Capital Punishment, would you be against it? If so, how severe would you see that action?


Tangential:

As for my use of Genesis 9:3, of course, I don't actually think God was saying cannibalism was okay, but I think a person could easily interpret it as such with as much interpretation as shown in taking the 9:6 passage to mean capital punishment (and not just punishment). But, I would agree in modern interpretations of the passage the majority take it to mean capital punishment. But we don't apply capital punishment to all the things God demanded it be applied to like adultery, prostitution, being a false prophet, etc... and God, Himself was known to stay his own judgment (against David and Cain for instance) not to mention Jesus forgiving the woman who committed adultery. That gives us the allowance to not institute Capital Punishment based on biblical understanding.

Tangential:

"it is clear in scriptural context" is just another way of saying "my interpretation of what the Bible/God is saying." And that's fine, as long as you understand that's what it is. YOUR interpretation of what the Bible/God is saying, and not some objective truth. Which, I think should be clear in that the basis of faith and Religion is to disregard any "objectiveness." And I'm not saying that necessarily as a negative, just as what has to be true for it to exist.

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Re: The argument about the scripture is tangential....


May 9, 2022, 7:53 AM
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The words "by man" in the verse are important. God left it to man to execute the command. God also ordained our governments. Therefore, the government system in place is tasked with determining guilt, and executing sentences. If a person can't be found guilty by law, I am against their execution. Whether they are worthy of death in the eyes of God is irrelevant to this discussion. I am worthy of death in the eyes of God, without the advocacy of Jesus Christ.

If we outlawed capital punishment, then it would be an addition to a long list of things our government does that are contrary to what God says. I won't lose sleep over it, just like I don't lose sleep over the others. It's a secular government.

I know of no other crimes which for which God commanded capital punishment, except in Mosaic Law. Not going to get into all the detail here, but we know from Scripture that the Law does not apply explicitly to us today (not even to Jewish people). Therefore, I'm 100% against capital punishment for any crimes other than murder.

It is tangential, but Jesus didn't say the execution of the woman who committed adultery. She wasn't stoned because everyone who wanted to stone her decided not to do it. Jesus didn't stop them or rescue her from them. In modern vernacular, the prosecution dropped their case.

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The whole basis of capital punishment put forth here...


May 9, 2022, 10:19 PM
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is that in the "eyes of God" a person that spills the blood of another shall have their blood spilled. So, I'd argue strongly that whether or not the person is "worthy" of death in those same eyes of God is VERY relevant to this discussion.

To make things clearer for what my argument is, what I'm trying to ask is that IF you believe Genesis 9:6 is God ordering society to have Capital Punishment, how does "Whoever sheds human blood,
by humans" not apply to all of us when an innocent person is deemed guilty and executed? And consequently, should the second part, "shall their blood be shed" not be our condemnation as well?

In going down a rabbit of the hole on this topic (and this is somewhat tangential) I found an argument put forth by Pope Pius XIII that states his argument for capital punishment:

"Even when there is question of the execution of a condemned man, the State does not dispose of the individual's right to life. In this case it is reserved to the public power to deprive the condemned person of the enjoyment of life in expiation of his crime when, by his crime, he has already dispossessed himself of his right to life."

In other words, A criminal who kills has chosen to surrender his life to the state. Or, as it's also known, suicide.

So, based on this logic, when we execute an innocent man, we have not only condemned ourselves to murder, but we have condemned the innocent man to suicide. Yet another affront to God.


As for the Jesus topic, Jesus clearly shows clemency when he tells the woman, "Neither do I condemn you. Go your way, and from now on do not sin again." Something, capital punishment does not allow for. The whole message of Jesus is redemption, love, tolerance, and contrition. All things capital punishment disposes of in order to exist.

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I've already answered these comments multiple times


May 10, 2022, 7:21 AM
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over in the thread. Please re-read my posts, as I do not have a desire to re-post the same thoughts. Maybe it wasn't responding to you, but if you look above, you'll specifically see responses to your questions.

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The closest I can find is that you think it's accidental


May 10, 2022, 5:24 PM
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to kill an innocent person through the death penalty which absolves us of the sin of "murder" in your interpretation of the bible.

How are you viewing it as accidental when 1.)We know it causes the death of innocent people 2.)There are alternatives?

You are interpreting it (Mainly just Genesis 9:6) as a commandment by God to have capital punishment yet ignore the fact that God commands us to not kill and even shows us clemency through his own actions and through Jesus. I'm trying to square how you're allowing for both to exist without conflict.


But that doesn't address my argument (nor would I agree). My argument is, if you were to believe capital punishment did not lead to "accidental" deaths of innocent people, would you agree that all of society then would be deemed guilty of spilling the blood of others and should the second part of the instructions then not apply to us?

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May 6, 2022, 9:48 PM
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TheProdigal, I may have a couple of questions for you ... depending upon how this first question gets answered:

(?) Do you know of any country (current times) in which their society's laws strictly follow the to-the-letter teachings of the (let's go with the) King James Bible?

This is not a rhetorical question. I really don't know the answer to this.

Thanks!

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Definitely not.***


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Guilty vs. innocent is a subtle nuance that escapes geniuses like you. ***

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That nuance escapes the justice system sometimes, too

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May 3, 2022, 2:17 PM
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Which is why the death penalty (abortion comparison aside) is a bad idea.

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Re: That nuance escapes the justice system sometimes, too

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May 3, 2022, 2:20 PM
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Or sometimes the evidence isn’t in doubt and the guy even confessed, yet they still appeal for decades and we pay for them. That’s the only thing I have against it. I believe if there is any doubt whatsoever or lack of evidence then the death penalty shouldn’t be a possibility.

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Re: That nuance escapes the justice system sometimes, too

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May 3, 2022, 2:23 PM
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And if that were always the case (the person confessing and open/shut, etc.), it would conveniently wrap this up. But too many innocent people have been sent to death in America.

A free nation shouldn't even be executing innocent people. Not even just one.

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Re: That nuance escapes the justice system sometimes, too


May 3, 2022, 3:13 PM
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I think many if not most cases have pretty clear evidence. There are also some like the Samantha Josephson case in Columbia that should have been the death penalty. That guy should have been dead already.

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Many/most is not an acceptable threshold.***


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As Jimmy said, "many" or "most" doesn't cut it


May 4, 2022, 7:52 AM
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One innocent person being put to death means the entire practice needs to be thrown out. This isn't an area where mistakes can be afforded.

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that's an ohsnap.gif moment right there.***


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Re: That nuance escapes the justice system sometimes, too


May 3, 2022, 4:50 PM
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Agreed in that the death penalty and abortion represent two entirely different contexts.

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Wrong.***


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Yes and no


May 3, 2022, 9:47 PM
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You can't apply the same approach to them. However, both the far right and left approach them with a lot of hypocrisy.

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Tear away the details and get to the core issue:


May 3, 2022, 9:56 PM
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It is immoral to kill, other than self-defense. Capital punishment is not self-defense. Therefore, it is immoral for the same reason as abortion.

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Pro-choice, pro-death penalty.***


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Re: Pro-choice, pro-death penalty.***


May 4, 2022, 8:34 AM
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I’m the same but with limitations on abortion. As far as the death penalty I’m good on that in the case of pre-meditated murder but it’s really concerning to me that innocent people sometimes are convicted. I think the worst thing is to be convicted of something you didn’t do. It’s worse than a murderer going free IMO

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I'm pro self-defense but against the death penalty.

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May 3, 2022, 2:43 PM
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I don't trust the government to give people a fair trial. Just look at the Jan 6 political prisoners.

But I do support your right to blast a MFer if they try to harm you or yours.

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Good point about the Jan 6 folks... they got off so easy...


May 3, 2022, 4:19 PM
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Should have all be hanged

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C'mon, man


May 4, 2022, 10:45 AM
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It would have been a lot easier if the Capital police had been more trigger happy. Ashli Babbitt those clowns.

Also, how are you, sir?

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Oh I agree. She is the ONLY one who got what she deserved...

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May 4, 2022, 12:34 PM
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no amount of jail time is sufficient for traitors and insurrectionists.


The GOP is now just a Christo-fascist mob of racist, misogynistic neo nazis.... or people too stupid to see it for that

I'm hanging there man, you?

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May 5, 2022, 11:47 PM
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Just on here spinning my wheels again but against dumber but less sinister people than 20 years ago.

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Re: C'mon, man


May 5, 2022, 11:52 PM
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So, against the death penalty because one innocent person might die but it’s okay to shoot any and all unarmed trespassers?

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Re: C'mon, man

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May 9, 2022, 8:00 AM
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Not a single person inside that Capitol building was innocent.

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Yeah, they were. They were allowed in.***


May 9, 2022, 11:05 AM
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Re: C'mon, man


May 6, 2022, 12:19 AM
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Cata: "It would have been a lot easier if the Capital police had been more trigger happy. Ashli Babbitt those clowns."

Sterling (who hasn't been seen since the Tommy Bowden era): "Oh I agree. She's the only one who got what she deserved."


Ironic, isn't it? How blood-thirsty pacificists can be?

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If you think I am a pacifist

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May 9, 2022, 10:48 AM
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you have never paid attention.

Every single person who entered the capital was at least a criminal and at worst a traitorous insurrectionist.


She got what she deserved... the others got slaps on the wrist ... and the instigators, organizers, and financiers have gotten NOTHING... when they should be hanged.

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Re: I'm pro self-defense but against the death penalty.


May 3, 2022, 4:51 PM
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No nonsense and to the point Mr. C-TownTom

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May 3, 2022, 3:32 PM
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Pro-choice with limitations and pro-death penalty also with limitations.

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May 3, 2022, 3:57 PM
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A more inconsistent view seems like it would be Anti Death Penalty and ok with abortion.

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not me, I'm pro-life, anti-death penalty...

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May 3, 2022, 4:02 PM
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but I don't think it's a slam dunk that pro-life/pro-death penalty is ideologically inconsistent. There are plenty of reasonable arguments on why they're different.

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Such a simpleton


May 4, 2022, 8:16 AM
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Yeah, these are exactly the same.

Like sin(60) and cos(30).

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I wouldn't expect much mental effort from you on this one.***


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hey, jimmy.


not as many as anti death penalty


May 4, 2022, 5:59 PM
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Pro choice. Unborn babies have not earned the right to live like murderers that are rapist and pedophiles

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May 5, 2022, 7:37 PM
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Lib/progs are monopolizing the demographic for the most stupid humans on Earth.

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but are you stronger than the average man?***


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hey, jimmy.


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