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How could I take someone seriously
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May 17, 2022, 9:46 PM
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That talks to me about racism, when that person uses race as a deciding factor in choosing someone for a job?
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Re: How could I take someone seriously
May 17, 2022, 9:54 PM
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White grievance has taken over this board.
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Re: How could I take someone seriously
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May 17, 2022, 10:04 PM
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Expound on what you're talking about, as it relates to my question.
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Re: How could I take someone seriously
May 17, 2022, 10:08 PM
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Read the board. 10 people get killed by a white supremist, and all MAGA wants to discuss is their white grievance, this thread included.
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Re: How could I take someone seriously
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May 17, 2022, 10:09 PM
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So, you are not really able to discuss my question. Par for the course for you.
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Re: How could I take someone seriously
May 17, 2022, 10:18 PM
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Not really. What can I say if your butthurt that Joe picked a black woman for VPOTUS and SCOTUS judge. You're outraged. I expect nothing less from MAGA
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Re: How could I take someone seriously
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May 17, 2022, 10:26 PM
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If you don't want to address the question, then don't respond to the thread.
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Re: How could I take someone seriously
May 18, 2022, 9:40 AM
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There seems to be this notion, mostly with the older folks, that racial equality = white repression. Go figure?
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Re: How could I take someone seriously
May 17, 2022, 10:23 PM
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Don't try and use logic with him. It'll never work.
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Race can and should be a factor when all other variables are
May 17, 2022, 10:18 PM
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equal. BUT...how often does that scenario ever happen?
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Re: Race can and should be a factor when all other variables are
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May 17, 2022, 10:22 PM
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Why should the color of someone's skin (I'm assuming that's what you mean by race) be a factor in anything? Why would someone hurt someone based on the color of their skin? Why would someone choose someone based on skin color? That makes zero sense to me.
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This is completely a personal opinion and is by no means
May 17, 2022, 10:30 PM
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a suggestion it should be a mandate, but one could make the case that hiring someone with an under-represented race in the industry is a quantifiable social good that, when all other factors being equal (or equal enough), would be a deciding factor between two candidates.
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Re: This is completely a personal opinion and is by no means
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May 17, 2022, 10:36 PM
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Just can't see race being a deciding factor for a just mind.
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What would you do then? Flip a coin?
May 17, 2022, 10:41 PM
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I mean, that is the most fair way, but I see increasing racial representation in industries, especially from underprivileged backgrounds, as a valuable social good and, in theory, a good business decision (e.g. diversity of opinion/perspective). I'd also weigh economic background as well. Giving someone a chance to break the cycle of poverty, and the ripple effect that can have, is a strong social good as well.
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Re: What would you do then? Flip a coin?
May 17, 2022, 10:48 PM
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I always just want the best people performing. I think that is what is best for society. You live in the same area as I do, and I see lots of people from lots of different races performing at the highest level. So I don't understand bringing race into a selection process.
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Oh I agree. My caveat was all things being the same or at
May 17, 2022, 11:02 PM
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least the same enough.
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Re: Oh I agree. My caveat was all things being the same or at
May 17, 2022, 11:17 PM
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Oh yeah, everything equal, I always choose green eyed people over blue eyed people... All things being equal.
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Re: What would you do then? Flip a coin?
May 17, 2022, 11:03 PM
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What makes one judge more qualified than the next? What measurables would you use?
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Re: What would you do then? Flip a coin?
May 17, 2022, 11:12 PM
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Rulings in adherence with the law, thoughts on the constitution.
Unfortunately, Biden believes race is a measurable worth considering when choosing someone for a job.
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Re: What would you do then? Flip a coin?
May 18, 2022, 7:21 AM
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Those are subjective variables and opinion based. In other words, there really is not any empirical based methods to determine who "is more qualified" when it comes to judges. Since everything is quite often based on opinion, should the make up of a 9 person body be representative of the body they represent?
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Re: What would you do then? Flip a coin?
May 18, 2022, 7:44 AM
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What do you mean by representative? I don't think Supreme Court justices really represent anyone.
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Re: What would you do then? Flip a coin?
May 18, 2022, 7:48 AM
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SCOTUS judges represent all 330 million people in this country, not just the white males. Do you not agree that since they many times have to make subjective rulings that there make up should at least look something like the demographic make up of the population?
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Re: What would you do then? Flip a coin?
May 18, 2022, 7:54 AM
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They should represent the constitution and rule of law. They don't represent the people. At times it is their duty to make unpopular rulings, based on the law and the constitution.
Selecting people, for whatever reason, based on race is racist.
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Re: What would you do then? Flip a coin?
May 18, 2022, 8:01 AM
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How do you measure which judges are more or less constitutional than others? It's all subjective when you get into the pool of "qualfied" judges. There is no way to measure who is more constitutional than the other. If things were not subjective, everything would be 9-0 decisions with 0 dissent.
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Re: What would you do then? Flip a coin?
May 18, 2022, 8:06 AM
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Not saying rulings are not subjective. But they are not there to be representative of the people.
I certainly don't think the color of one's skin can determine how closely that person will follow the constitution.
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Re: What would you do then? Flip a coin?
May 18, 2022, 8:43 AM
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As I said, when the pool of "qualified' judges is drawn up when there is SCOTUS opening, there really isn't an empirical way to determine who is "more constitutional". Therefore, I'm not sure what the issue is if you want the court to demographically look a little bit more like the make up of the population that is represented. There has never been a black female on the SCOTUS in the 200+ years of our country. Prior to KJ, there has only been 1 black judge out of 117 (0.85%). This was a good move.
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Re: What would you do then? Flip a coin?
May 18, 2022, 8:46 AM
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Maybe a good start was the fact that she had never heard a case regarding a Constitutional issue until last year after she got on the appeals court. Ya think?
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Re: What would you do then? Flip a coin?
May 18, 2022, 11:51 AM
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Do you have to hear a constitutional case to not be able to read and study the constitution? Seriously?
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Re: What would you do then? Flip a coin?
May 18, 2022, 9:18 AM
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It's basic with me. You shouldn't pick people based on immutable characteristics. Other than being morally wrong, you have drastically reduced your talent pool.
There have been 2 black justices prior to KJ.
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Re: What would you do then? Flip a coin?
May 18, 2022, 8:27 AM
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How the hail did you ever score right and libertarian?
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What part of my answer is not that?***
May 18, 2022, 9:44 AM
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Re: This is completely a personal opinion and is by no means
May 17, 2022, 11:02 PM
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how is that any different than political affiliation?
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Perhaps in some cases...
May 18, 2022, 7:50 AM
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That's the factor for the person getting the position because for decades and decades and decades in America, that was the reason for them NOT getting the position.
For government big positions, perhaps it's to have more of a particular demographic of the American people represented where it hasn't been before.
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^^^ another libertarian
May 18, 2022, 8:33 AM
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That's not a correct assumption of the ideology
May 18, 2022, 9:36 AM
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And I didn't say I agree with it. I'm trying to explain it. It's also not a comparable topic when discussing what happened in Buffalo.
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Re: Race can and should be a factor when all other variables are
May 17, 2022, 10:25 PM
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No it shouldn’t. The question of ethnicity should be left off of all applications and that Is Including insurance information. How do we know during an insurance application an agency intends to give someone higher or lower premiums/ rates just because of their skin color?
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Agreed. But in my hypothetical the race is known from, for
May 17, 2022, 10:31 PM
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example, an in-person interview.
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Re: Race can and should be a factor when all other variables are
May 18, 2022, 7:05 AM
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I have never ever ever had two applicants with all things being equal.
I also laugh when people say “underrepresented”. They say your staff should be 13% black, because that is reflective of the population; with no regard of the applicants. For instance: if blacks are 1% of applicants, why should they be 13% of your workforce in a particular industry? If I have 10 applicants and 1 is black and I hire the black guy/girl, then I have effectively hired 100% of the minorities that applied. It’s so silly.
In today’s America, if you treat everyone equally; you are racist.
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Re: Race can and should be a factor when all other variables are
May 18, 2022, 7:24 AM
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There have been a total of 118 SCOTUS judges. What percent of them have been black?
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Re: Race can and should be a factor when all other variables are
May 18, 2022, 8:58 AM
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Irrelevant. What percentage of nominees were?
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Re: Race can and should be a factor when all other variables are
May 18, 2022, 9:07 AM
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Of course it's irrelevant to you. 118 total SCOTUS judges and you're triggered because the 2nd black just got confirmed. Who should Biden have selected instead of her?
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Re: Race can and should be a factor when all other variables are
May 18, 2022, 12:03 PM
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https://www.britannica.com/biography/Thurgood-Marshall Thurgood Marshall | Biography, Legal Career, & Supreme Court Tenure Thurgood Marshall, originally Thoroughgood Marshall, (born July 2, 1908, Baltimore, Maryland, U.S.—died January 24, 1993, Bethesda), lawyer, civil rights activist, and associate justice of the U.S. Supreme Court (1967–91), the Court’s first African American member. As an attorney, he successfully argued before the Court the case of Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka (1954), which declared unconstitutional racial segregation in American public schools. Marshall was the son of William Canfield Marshall, a railroad porter and a steward at an all-white country club, and Norma Williams Marshall, an elementary school teacher. He graduated with honours from Lincoln University (Pennsylvania) in
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Re: Race can and should be a factor when all other variables are
May 18, 2022, 12:15 PM
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Triggered? I wasn’t even talking about SCOTUS, moron. For the record, I don’t want an activist judge no matter what fkn color they are.
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if you are mentally retarded.***
May 18, 2022, 7:33 AM
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You, Muira, and Bill need your own board.
May 18, 2022, 9:44 AM
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Like, a literal board where you can crap in your hands and throw at it, to see what sticks.
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