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Orange Blooded [2987]
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How can NCAA just accept tampering for NIL
Dec 28, 2022, 2:54 AM
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It was always illegal to tamper, it was illegal for sponsors to be affiliated and against the law for school affiliated persons to give students money.
Why would that not be illegal today? Even if that person could hire the player, why wouldn't there be a scheduled process. Make persons work throughout paperwork to lock in the contract. It just seems like its too easy, but maybe Biden needed 87,000 new IRS just to handle the NIL. Pretty sure business persons don't just give $1mil without a tax writeoff
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Re: How can NCAA just accept tampering for NIL
Dec 28, 2022, 3:39 AM
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Well, short answer is that after being a crooked organization for decades, the NCAA was neutered by the courts. Yet they survive for some reason. Possibly to lend credibility to the current free agency, contract free landscape that is college football.
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Orange Blooded [3047]
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Re: How can NCAA just accept tampering for NIL
Dec 28, 2022, 4:03 AM
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It sucks, but the courts have said it's legal. Unless Congress intervenes, this is the future.
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Re: How can NCAA just accept tampering for NIL
Dec 28, 2022, 6:55 AM
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I don't think that congress can intervene with Supreme court rulings!!!!
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Re: How can NCAA just accept tampering for NIL
Dec 28, 2022, 8:28 AM
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The Supreme Court does not make laws the House and the Senate make the laws!
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Re: How can NCAA just accept tampering for NIL
Dec 28, 2022, 8:29 AM
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Correct. And then the SCOTUS will rule unconstitutional
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Re: How can NCAA just accept tampering for NIL
Dec 28, 2022, 8:55 AM
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But SCOTUS NIL decision was not based on Constitutional grounds, but simply SCOTUS interpretation of employment and anti-trust laws. Congress can change those laws. They won't but they could.
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Re: How can NCAA just accept tampering for NIL
Dec 28, 2022, 8:44 AM
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Sure they can.
First, SCOTUS is most often ruling on the applicability and validity of laws *as written by Congress*. So if Congress had written a law that was ambiguous or contradicted by other existing law, SCOTUS untangles the words. Congress can go and untangle the words themselves to make the law comply with SCOTUS ruling, or to "overturn" SCOTUS ruling (e.g., law says X, SCOTUS agrees that the laws say X; Congress wanted the law to say Y instead, which is what they meant the first time so Congress passes new law replacing the law that says X.)
Second, sometime SCOTUS overturns laws on Constitutional grounds that are fairly technical in nature, and Congress can rejigger the words to do the same thing and pass muster.
More drastically, Congress can initiate a Constitutional amendment to override SCOTUS by removing the level SCOTUS used to overrule Congress.
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Re: How can NCAA just accept tampering for NIL
Dec 28, 2022, 8:52 AM
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In particular to this case, SCOTUS (irrationally, to my mind) decided that employment laws and anti-trust laws would make the "contracts" that players operated under illegal. Justice Kavanaugh: "Nowhere else in America can businesses get away with agreeing not to pay their workers a fair market rate on the theory that their product is defined by not paying their workers a fair market rate. … The NCAA is not above the law."
That is, SCOTUS decided that athletes are employees and thus entitled to employee protections. But NCAA athletes are not employees, and never had been. Their participation in NCAA-sponsored sports was subject to NCAA's rules, yes, but no one forced anyone to participate or denied them the right to participate elsewhere for whatever money they could get. Are the USGA's rules preventing PGA pros from playing in the US Amateur tournament illegal?
Congress could, if they so desired, step in and write new law that specifically exempts scholarship athletes from being subject to employment laws when it comes to their sports participation at an amateur level.
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Re: How can NCAA just accept tampering for NIL
Dec 28, 2022, 10:02 AM
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I think the court ruling allowed for NIL to move forward but the NCAA has control over enforcement. Had they said it was up to the athlete to negotiate their own deals and outlawed involvement by universities and boosters and made their involvement punishable, as it has always been, then there would have been some control over the process.
But instead, the NCAA punted and let it become the wild, wild West where anything goes, and now college athletics as we know it will be forever changed, especially in football. Welcome to the professionalization of college athletics.
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Legend [16166]
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It's almost completely unenforceable and as long as there
Dec 28, 2022, 4:13 AM
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are checks to cash they just don't care
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Re: How can NCAA just accept tampering for NIL
Dec 28, 2022, 6:51 AM
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All of what you say may have been the case UNTIL, until the NCAA was sued by a few college students bc the NCAA refuse to allow them to be paid, when the NCAA was making bundles of $$$$$$$ off of college students image and likeness for sure from EA sports video games. Once that lawsuit was settled in the Supreme COURT, here is the Supreme Ruling.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/06/29/business-of-football-supreme-court-unanimous-ruling
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Re: How can NCAA just accept tampering for NIL
Dec 28, 2022, 7:20 AM
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Players have always been paid. Free tuition, room and board!! That should be enough. Since that is not the case after the SC got involved, the death of revenue sports at the college level is on the horizon. The NFL minor leagues have now been set in place and the corruption has only just begun. It sucks. These are the same "evolutions" that killed my love of pro sports.
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Because they have been neutered! North Carolina snipped them
Dec 28, 2022, 7:22 AM
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a few years ago after the worst scandal EVER in my book...and they have been impotent ever since.
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Re: How can NCAA just accept tampering for NIL
Dec 28, 2022, 7:51 AM
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I doubt the ncaa has enough staff to investigate all of the tampering going on right now. It's easier for them to just change the rules to match what's going on. It's kind of like how the USA deals with the border.
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They know a challenge to tampering would lose in court,
Dec 28, 2022, 8:46 AM
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just like the courts allowed NIL.
The argument will be that you can't prevent a kid from making MORE money - and that argument will win.
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Re: How can NCAA just accept tampering for NIL
Dec 28, 2022, 8:52 AM
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The toothless who** has come out of the closet to kill college football...always dysfunctional and living off the goodwill of the members...when gambling and drugs,greedy alumni and more greedy non student athletes plus ESPN and the Marxist media it became a Mickey Mouse organization. A new principled organization is so far off we can't even see it but it may come!
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Because the NCAA is finished.***
Dec 28, 2022, 9:09 AM
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PROVE IT
Dec 28, 2022, 9:10 AM
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that is step one..
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Orange Blooded [2002]
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With Cali court saying players are employees, anything goes
Dec 28, 2022, 9:52 AM
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And no class requirement is next
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