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Legend [18289]
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Hoods latest article is the best hes written
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Jan 22, 2024, 12:11 PM
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Man I wish we could get some adults back in the room, but apparently the “adult” thing to do these days is care about absolutely nothing else other than money and yourself.
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I'm all for it, but let's see where the adults stand if UGA game goes badly.
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Jan 22, 2024, 12:16 PM
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Will the 'adults' still be okay with Clemson culture if the score is something like 28-13 UGA?
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Re: I'm all for it, but let's see where the adults stand if UGA game goes badly.
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Jan 22, 2024, 12:19 PM
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Depends on how we play. If our RB get stuffed and QB sacked and running for his life the whole game, while the defense looks porous then I will say its not working. If we play hard and get beat by a good UGA team so be it
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Re: I'm all for it, but let's see where the adults stand if UGA game goes badly.
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Jan 22, 2024, 12:20 PM
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I could care less how any of them feel I gave up on the fan base a long time ago. I see a lot of bitching but I don’t see a lot of them writing checks which is exactly what it’s turned in to. There’s plenty of teams buying rosters feel free to jump in their wagon.
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All-TigerNet [12030]
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So you're on record as being okay with a 63-17 beatdown to UGA. Got it.
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Jan 22, 2024, 12:22 PM
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Because that is essentially what you just said.
UGA is wealthier than Clemson but they are by no means in the top tier of NIL money.
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Re: So you're on record as being okay with a 63-17 beatdown to UGA. Got it.
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Jan 22, 2024, 12:26 PM
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We aren’t going to get beat 63-17 we have just as much of a chance to win as they do
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All-TigerNet [12030]
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I don't think that happens either, especially being the first game.
Jan 22, 2024, 12:30 PM
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Just a hypothetical on the UGA blowout, but it's possible.
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How much are you giving to the 110 Society ?
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Jan 22, 2024, 1:02 PM
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Re: So you're on record as being okay with a 63-17 beatdown to UGA. Got it.
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Jan 22, 2024, 12:32 PM
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Oh boy you might wanna look up how many 4-5 stars Bama had when we beat them compared to our roster.
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Yes, but they showed up ready to play and we didn't...for reasons yet to be
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Jan 22, 2024, 4:01 PM
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explained
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Re: No, we dont have just as much of a chance to win as they do.
Jan 22, 2024, 8:25 PM
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So why bother playing the game?
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Re: I'm all for it, but let's see where the adults stand if UGA game goes badly.
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Jan 22, 2024, 12:36 PM
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Unless we get better play in the passing game. I expect the score to be something like 28-13. UGA has the best returning team in college football. We could lose by that margin and still win the rest of our regular season games.
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Re: I'm all for it, but let's see where the adults stand if UGA game goes badly.
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Jan 22, 2024, 12:39 PM
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They’re not even in the same stratosphere as Ohio State please try again. I wouldn’t watch a game that I was so convinced my team would lose.
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Re: They should be. Should they be upset? Absolutely! But they shouldn't be
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Jan 22, 2024, 1:54 PM
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I don't think college football has ever been a repository of strong ethics or integrity. Operating outside of the rules and regulations is a mainstay in the sport writ large historically. There have been ebbs and flows of course, but that behavior has always existed. The late 1970s and 1980s might be a parallel to the present with the prevalence of rule breaking that one sees across the sport. Only now, the NCAA is a useless enforcement appendage that needs to be amputated.
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CU Medallion [58424]
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Okay, so what? None of that is justification for unethical behavior now or at
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Jan 22, 2024, 2:23 PM
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any point.
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Re: Okay, so what? None of that is justification for unethical behavior now or at
Jan 22, 2024, 3:18 PM
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Well, Clemson was guilty of that behavior in the past and was placed on probation. We were penalized then for behavior that was pervasive in the sport just like now. Maybe one outcome is this - that one can operate to the highest ethical standards and in full observance of the letter and spirit of the law (something that I strive to adhere to personally) while the multitudes in the same environment operate in a relatively lawless manner without substantive repercussions. If the rule-breakers in this scenario achieve better results consistently (this is a results biz at the end of the day), the rule-abiders can take comfort in their lofty ethics and character while simultaneously going the way of the dodo.
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CU Medallion [58424]
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Again, it sounds like you are rationalizing and trying to justify unethical
Jan 22, 2024, 3:50 PM
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behavior (because it pays). Sad.
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Re: Okay, so what? None of that is justification for unethical behavior now or at
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Jan 22, 2024, 3:28 PM
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Why is following the rules to the letter unethical? The rules are now pay to play and pay big for big talent. I don't like them, but following them is not unethical.
I could make a case that not paying a young man that can get $500k a year to play is unethical. It is stealing from him. It is making money off his labor and not adequately compensating him for it.
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CU Medallion [58424]
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Because there's something wrong with the rules.
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Jan 22, 2024, 4:11 PM
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If you read Hood's article, he makes it clear right off the bat: "The current college football landscape is one of chaos, one of me-first athletes and coaches, and an ever-growing demand for money to feed the machine".
That's not a casual observation, nor is it a glowing endorsement of the way things are. It's a severe critique; a condemnation. Something is wrong. Just because it's following the rules doesn't mean it's ethical, right, or what's best for the sport or the young men involved. David Hood sees it, Dabo sees it, and many of us see it.
I'm not opposed to players getting a cut of the money; and I bet Dabo isn't either. But the way it's being handled now isn't fair or equitable, nor is it sustainable or good for the game or the players. It's the wild west where money is driving everything and acdemics, honor, commitment, and sacrifice are becoming irrelevant.
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Excellent post.***
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Jan 22, 2024, 5:46 PM
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Re: I'm all for it, but let's see where the adults stand if UGA game goes badly.
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Jan 22, 2024, 3:01 PM
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Some seem to forget GA is not built on the portal. They have had top 3 classes, certainly top 5 in the last 4-5 years, at least. Do they fill gaps, yes. Should we, yes, but think about it, sooner or later word is going to get out about programs that will toss players aside for the next, incrementally better portal player. I think that will begin negatively effecting recruiting as well as locker room morale. It is all relatively new now. Sooner or later I think players will start to see the bigger picture
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Good response.***
Jan 22, 2024, 4:19 PM
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Re: I'm all for it, but let's see where the adults stand if UGA game goes badly.
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Jan 22, 2024, 3:02 PM
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Some seem to forget GA is not built on the portal. They have had top 3 classes, certainly top 5 in the last 4-5 years, at least. Do they fill gaps, yes. Should we, yes, but think about it, sooner or later word is going to get out about programs that will toss players aside for the next, incrementally better portal player. I think that will begin negatively effecting recruiting as well as locker room morale. It is all relatively new now. Sooner or later I think players will start to see the bigger picture
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It all comes down to this: Either people are willing to compromise away
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Jan 22, 2024, 1:01 PM
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honesty and integrity, or they're not. It amazes me how many people are so willing to do it, as if it's just business as usual, or feel that it's justified because others are doing it.
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Re: It all comes down to this: Either people are willing to compromise away
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Jan 22, 2024, 2:07 PM
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People have ZERO integrity these days because they’re incapable of wanting what others have. Sports fans have become filled with ego maniacs it used to just be the players.
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Re: Hoods latest article is the best hes written
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Jan 22, 2024, 2:18 PM
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This is all interesting stuff in the off-season but once the season starts, it seems to be a different tune. The "adults" weren't very adult after the Duke game and NO ONE was using words like integrity, culture, developing young men, and graduation rates.
If we really care so much about these things then the reactions when we lose wouldn't be what they are.
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Legend [17781]
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Its good. But hes written better imho.
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Jan 22, 2024, 2:34 PM
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This one just happens to give you joy joy feelings.
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Re: Hoods latest article is the best hes written
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Jan 22, 2024, 3:03 PM
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I guess being holier than thou and having the most integrity is the coping tool we are going to use to soften the blow of our prized stud horse (football) having a broken leg now.
Sounds about right. Cope on fellas..
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Re: Hoods latest article is the best hes written
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Jan 22, 2024, 3:04 PM
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😭😭😭 me a river pinelakecoot!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Hoods latest article is the best hes written
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Jan 22, 2024, 3:53 PM
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Sorry I hurt your feelings. You couldn’t help yourself could you BBO?
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Shouldn't you be in the lunge edging your lady-boys?***
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I know, right? As if having integrity and doing the right thing is more
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important than winning. For God's sake, sometimes you have to cut corners and turn a blind eye to stuff in order to win. Get over it.
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5 star***
Jan 22, 2024, 3:08 PM
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Re: Hoods latest article is the best hes written
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After reading the piece (twice) and all the posts I came away with something completely different. I did not see it as justification for not using the portal or playing the NIL game. I also did not see it as some preemptive excuse for any downward trend Clemson football may take.
About half the article concerned what motivates young men to compete. It was about heart, or lack thereof. The 2016 team came back to settle unfinished business. They stayed when some could have easily moved on. They didn't opt out. Much like what motivated Michigan this year. Florida State? They cut and run. Of all the teams at the end of this year, The Seminoles should have retained every single player with the fire to win it all. But no, They found another motivation.
Do you want Dabo to get jacked against the wall every December by a player meeting saying ante up or we walk? What is that? Who's in charge at that school? I can only hope that the coach his friend was describing walked over to the door and said, "There it is!"
If the culture at Clemson creates that bond and competitive spirit while at the same time providing them with an education and molding young men into productive members of society, I'm all in.
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