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Oculus Spirit [93674]
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Now he's putting mailtrucks in cages...
Aug 18, 2020, 12:43 PM
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Oculus Spirit [93674]
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He ripped them from their mama's arms.
Aug 18, 2020, 12:45 PM
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He is a monster.
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Rigging the election is fun, huh? Way to go!***
Aug 18, 2020, 1:06 PM
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Hey how come...
Aug 18, 2020, 12:50 PM
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He's yanking these mail sorting machines from areas that vote heavy Dem?
Just a strange coincidence? Just joking?
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dismantling***
Aug 18, 2020, 12:59 PM
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Oculus Spirit [93674]
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Yes, Trump is stealing the election and after it's over...
Aug 18, 2020, 1:12 PM
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there will be hearings, investigations and perhaps an impeachment to prove it. They will probably throw Trump out of office sometime after the 2032 election during his 4th term.
Where's Mueller when you need him?
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Oculus Spirit [93674]
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Just like Michelle's 'Kids in cages,'
Aug 18, 2020, 1:10 PM
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thousands of mailboxes were move and removed during Obama's term. It SOP for the postal service to move mailboxes which are the lesser used. It's just not worth the manpower and vehicle cost to collect mail if the box is empty or only has a handful of mail.
You are aware there is a mailbox at your house aren't you? You put the letter in and raise the little red flag so the postal carrier will know it's outgoing and pick up your letter. It's not that complicated, certainly not as complicated as filling out an absentee ballot.
"President Trump has faced backlash over recent measures the U.S. Postal Service has taken to reduce service as November’s election approaches, including removing mail collection boxes from street locations. But eliminating mailboxes is nothing new and something that took place quite a bit during the Obama administration. A pair of..."
https://www.newsbreak.com/news/2042275888888/usps-flashback-obama-administration-removed-thousands-of-mailboxes
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Re: Just like Michelle's 'Kids in cages,'
Aug 18, 2020, 1:44 PM
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I get it, the Trump crowd is sick of him being attacked and as a result defend him to what seems to be delusional levels at times but why? Trump came out and SAID it was to stop voting on an interview on FOX Business. He gave us the reason, why pretend it is something other than what it is?
If you are okay with him making it easier to win by any means necessary than just come out and say so, no need to beat around the bush. Some people will disagree but at least then we all have a real starting point to have a discussion.
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Oculus Spirit [93674]
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I saw that.
Aug 18, 2020, 2:37 PM
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The response was to the issue of kicking billions of bucks to the postal service to 'get the PO ready to handle across the board mailin voting.' It can't happen. It takes years for states to work the bugs out of mailing voting. This isn't a postal service issue. Throwing money at the PO will not solve the problems.
The problems are states which traditionally use voting booths and absentee ballots.
"SEATTLE — Millions of Washington state residents will submit their ballot for Tuesday's primary election the same way they have submitted them for the past 15 years: by mail.
What's different this year are the attacks on voting by mail being leveled from the White House by President Donald Trump as several other states are considering an expanded mail-in vote because of the COVID-19 pandemic.
Some Washington counties started voting by mail in 2005, and the entire state followed in 2011. The Washington Secretary of State’s office said implementing a vote-by-mail system has unfolded smoothly and there have been no major problems although officials say it’s a process that took years to refine.
State officials believe they can be a model for other states that are thinking about switching to an expanded mail-in voting approach for the upcoming November election."
https://komonews.com/news/local/washingtons-vote-by-mail-system-touted-as-example-for-other-us-statesWashington's vote-by-mail system touted as example for other U.S. states Millions of Washington state residents will submit their ballot for Tuesday's primary election the same way they have submitted them for the past 15 years: by mail. What's different this year are the attacks on voting by mail being leveled from the White House by President Donald Trump as several other states are considering an expanded mail-in vote because of the COVID-19 pandemic. Some Washington counties started voting by mail in 2005, and the entire state followed in 2011.
I haven't seen news of states sending people to WA to study their system. It's getting too late to try it.
"More than a month after New York’s June 23 primary elections, state election officials are still counting votes. In some legislative districts, they haven’t even started counting absentee votes. In the best-case scenario, election officials hope to declare winners by the first Tuesday in August—six weeks after Election Day. It might take a lot longer than that. Election officials in New York City have already invalidated upwards of 100,000 absentee ballots—about one of every five that were mailed in from the five boroughs. And furious candidates are already filing lawsuits charging discrimination and disenfranchisement."
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/07/new-york-election-failure-mail-in-voting/614446/
Who is going to count and certify 60 million ballots? How long will it take? Will beefing up the postal service solve the real problems? No, and Trump doesn't want to put America through it. He can sign what legislation he wants and reject those he doesn't. Elections have consequences.
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Re: I saw that.
Aug 18, 2020, 4:26 PM
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You are right that elections have consequences and he can sign or not sign legislation that is put in front of him. However, he is not signing or not signing legislation in this case. He is slowing the USPS so votes he doesn’t want aren’t counted.
The USPS processes almost 500 million pieces of mail every day so even if every single registered voter did a mail in ballot, they could handle it without many issues. They don’t need more money to process the increased mail in votes, that is a Dem red herring to me, what they need is to not have someone coming in and interfering with the process which is what Trump has his appointee doing.
We are in the midst of a pandemic, let people vote how they are comfortable. Want to make massive changes to the post office, fine, do it after the election because you think it is the right thing to do, not before the election just so some people don’t get their votes counted.
Maybe this mess works itself out and this ends up not being a big deal at all. We end up all going to vote safely in person but until that happens, or we are through the expected crunch of the election, leave the current capacity in place.
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Re: Just like Michelle's 'Kids in cages,'
Aug 18, 2020, 5:12 PM
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Yeah, except the difference is motive. Same with the kids in cages.
The Obama admin didn't remove them to stop people from voting. They also didn't separate kids as a punitive measure.
Everything is motive. You can't compare the two actions without comparing that.
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Re: Member back when we all went to the polls to vote?
Aug 18, 2020, 2:49 PM
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88, you know they've just started removing drop boxes.
Nvm the fact that I remember many boxes being removed long before Trump was even a candidate.
Its only an outrage now because the MEDIA and the Dems have given us our marching orders.
Next week, we'll be outraged by something else.
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And im a #### democrat, but realize much of this is BS.
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Re: Member back when we all went to the polls to vote?
Aug 18, 2020, 3:59 PM
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I was ridiculing those who claim Trump is shutting down the post office so he can win the election.
I posted a link to the proof that Obama's Postal service got rid of 12K mailboxes in the five years preceding 2016. Gov website with comments verifying date.
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