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Feb 6, 2025, 9:10 PM

Claim: Separation of Powers? Torched.
Musk decided Congress doesn't matter and started shutting down agencies on his own. That’s not "efficiency"—that’s ignoring the rules of the law.

Fact: DOGE is only auditing and making recommendations to the Executive Office of the President (EOP) and Agency Administrators. From that point either the President or Agency leadership makes a decision on cutting a program, contract or removal of workers. No Statutory Agency has been permanently shut down or disbanded as that takes an act of Congress.

Claim: Government Data? Wide Open.
DOGE (seriously, that's the name) now has access to Treasury payment systems, leading to lawsuits over privacy concerns. Ever trust a billionaire with your bank info? No? Thought so.

Facts: All DOGE audit members are in fact permanent or Special Government Employees (including Elon Musk who is an SGE) and have been granted proper security clearances. Furthermore each Federal Agency was instructed by EO to do the following:

"In consultation with USDS (United States DOGE Service), each Agency Head shall establish within their respective Agencies a DOGE Team of at least four employees, which may include Special Government Employees, hired or assigned within thirty days of the date of this Order. Agency Heads shall select the DOGE Team members in consultation with the USDS Administrator. Each DOGE Team will typically include one DOGE Team Lead, one engineer, one human resources specialist, and one attorney. Agency Heads shall ensure that DOGE Team Leads coordinate their work with USDS and advise their respective Agency Heads on implementing the President‘s DOGE Agenda."

So each Agency has it's own DOGE members "in house". Specific to the Treasury Dept: Via Justice Dept and Court ruling yesterday - "Tom Krause and Marko Elez, two DOGE-connected “special government employees” of the Treasury Department, were granted “read-only” access to Bureau of Fiscal Service systems “as needed for the performance” of their respective duties, the judge ruled.

Also see this:
https://x.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1887654927314325753

Claim: Federal Employees? Benched.
People are getting forced out of government jobs without due process. You know, the same deep state that suddenly doesn’t seem so deep anymore?

Facts: As the Agency DOGE teams look at a particular Agency they have opted to put SOME Federal workers on "paid leave" and/or "freeze" their access as they conduct the audit. As the DOGE conducts it's audit and provides information to the Agency head and the EOP - decisions are being made (among many) as to what contracts may be cancelled/kept and what Federal positions may no longer be required. It is not unusual for Federal workers to lose their jobs when an Agency decides the function they were performing is no longer required or that section of the Agency is going away. I saw this happen many times inside the DoD under EVERY Administration - Democrat and Republican. On top of this - Federal workers have been offered an opportunity to leave Federal employment with an 8 month severance package. 60,000 Federal workers have shown interest in this offer and I dare say most private sector employees would not get this good of a deal.

Claim: Constitutional Crisis? Inbound.
Legal experts say Musk is testing the limits of presidential power. This doesn’t end well.

Facts: The only court ruling regarding DOGE to date is that the Treasury must limit access to "2" members of the Treasury DOGE team. The Judge must recognize DOGE is legal otherwise they would not have granted members of the DOGE team read-access to the full Treasury database for the "performance of their respective duties". I suggest you read the actual EO that created DOGE:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/establishing-and-implementing-the-presidents-department-of-government-efficiency/
DOGE's formation and what they are doing is well within the President's Executive authority, the Constitution and our laws - specifically section 3161 of title 5, United States Code.

Also recommend you read my previous post here:
https://www.tigernet.com/clemson-forum/message/short-answer-is-because-they-are-government-employees...-36377150#36377150

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Bannon loves to pretend he and his particular echo chamber are the judges/purveyors of "true MAGA" and as such lay claim that they are the ones who got Trump re-elected. It's all a horseshid shtick...

The truth is that Bannon does everything in his power to cling to Trumps political ball sack in order to make a living. As such Bannon will say/do whatever is necessary to promote his own interests over all others. He claims to be the purveyor of the real MAGA agenda in order to mine his limited MAGA echo chamber for every dollar he can get out of it. Part and parcel to Bannon's scheme is that he likes for his audience to believe he has a lot of influence with Trump. Enter Elon Musk who actually does have a lot of influence with Trump and Bannon is going to start throwing a tantrum towards Musk.

The fact is Bannon pretends a lot of things but did very little towards getting Trump elected. He.ll, Bannon was radio silent sitting in jail for the 3 months leading up to the election. Other than the Trump campaign, there are 3 organizations that did the heavy lifting that moved the needle to get Trump elected. Elon Musk's America Pac, Scott Presler's ground operations, and Charlie Kirk's Turning Point organizations did a thousand times more real work towards getting Trump votes than anything Bannon has EVER done.

At this point I don't really think Bannon has much influence with Trump. Musk is tied to Trump's hip and no matter how many temper tantrums Bannon may throw - that ain't gonna change.

The 2nd Amendment is Still Part of the Constitution, Right?

Et tu, Joy Behar?***

extreme MAGA***

funny how the swamp started with Congress and now it's the entire government***

Trump quite literally said he could ignore the Constitution.***

Here ya go...

Re: Here ya go...

That's one way to respond re your obvious stupidity...***

Re: The 2nd Amendment is Still Part of the Constitution, Right?

Re: The 2nd Amendment is Still Part of the Constitution, Right?

Steve Bannon is a gaslighting carnival barker that the Trump Administration

Re: Steve Bannon is a gaslighting carnival barker that the Trump Administration

Re: The 2nd Amendment is Still Part of the Constitution, Right?

What's it like to be a consistent LOSER...?***

Re: The 2nd Amendment is Still Part of the Constitution, Right?

Re: The 2nd Amendment is Still Part of the Constitution, Right?

You guys are nuts

Due process does indeed apply to employment of federal employees***

Re: Due process does indeed apply to employment of federal employees***

Good... Time for them to lawyer-up and see how it feels.***

Legal blog. Nice source

Re: Due process does indeed apply to employment of federal employees***

Where were you when Biden was sidestepping SCOTUS ruling on Student Loans?***

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