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Seeing some articles on Shipley being a top 3 back
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Jan 4, 2024, 4:23 PM
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In this draft class. Why all the UDFA talk? He is a good back. I wish him well!
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He wasn't even the best back on his own team***
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Re: He wasn't even the best back on his own team***
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Jan 4, 2024, 4:42 PM
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Alvin Kamara wasn’t the best back on his team at one point either. Shipley was a very good running back. Our poor OL did him no favors. Mafah being the heavier stronger back made him a better back for us because he could run through contact. His last run he was met at the line off scrimmage but made it to the endzone.
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Re: He wasn't even the best back on his own team***
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Jan 4, 2024, 5:47 PM
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But in the NFL Ship would have to run through defenses that are tougher than the ones he faced in college.
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I disagree.
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Jan 4, 2024, 5:08 PM
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Up until Ship got hurt the situation was that the starter was less productive than his backup. I worked those numbers and you're welcome to do the math for yourself.
On top of that near equality between the backs pre injuries to Ship (three uncalled targeting infractions) Ship's fumbles/carry was half of Mafah's.
THe average fan only noticed that when Ship started Mafah came in and was more productive. They made up their minds after the first 4-5 games and concluded their superficial opinion(s) as fact. Then ship missed a game plus a half or so and Mafah got more time on the field. That's not practical to spin an opinion from such lack of knowledge.
Go check the stats. They do not support your opinion.
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Re: Kind of a reach
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Jan 4, 2024, 6:36 PM
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I like Mafah but you’re leaving out that Mafah’s missed block in the FSU game was the cause of the scoop and score after the fumble by Cade being one of the main reasons we lost that game. Both RBs had fumblitis this year.
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Make a kick and we win the fsu game
Jan 4, 2024, 6:52 PM
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That was probably the "main reason" we lost that game.
You could argue that Mafah's fumble at the goal line against Duke should have been attributed to him and not Cade, but you could say the same thing about Shipley's flubbed exchange in that game, or the pass off Shipley's hands that ended up a pick 6 in that game. See 7 minutes and 10:41 here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbTYTg4yKWc
Get into the weeds all you want. Offense scored more with Mafah. It's not that complicated.
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Do not ignore the fumbles/carry ratio.
Jan 4, 2024, 9:12 PM
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And don't forget those numbers came from the season before Ship got hurt. Both stopped fumbling the ball later in the season. When those stats counted was when Ship started/Mafah backed up vs Mafah starting/Ship backing him up, before Shipley got hosed three times by the officials on ignored targeting calls.
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Re: Do not ignore the fumbles/carry ratio.
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Jan 5, 2024, 12:51 AM
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You're so arrogant, and yet everything you say is so stupid and unsupported.
Shipley had 198 touches (rushes + receptions) and 3 fumbles, losing two of them. That's a fumble per 66 touches.
Mafah had 200 touches (rushes + receptions) and 3 fumbles, losing one of them. That's a fumble per 66.6 touches. So Mafah had a bettter fumbles/carry ratio.
Mafah also had .4 ypc more than Shipley, 6 more touchdowns, and 150 more yards on the season.
You act like Mafah was playing scrubs and Shipley the starters, but that's patently false. If you haven't forgotten, we didn't blow out any FBS team this year. Of our 11 games against FBS opponents, 10 went into the fourth quarter with the starters. The only game where the backups got real playing time was Florida Atlantic. And you can see Shipley and Mafah played early and late in games in equal measure. As far as the stupid claim about ignored targeting, that's just idiotic revisionist history to justify poor performance.
Mafah was better in every single stat than Shipley this year. Deal with it.
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But but but
Jan 5, 2024, 10:11 AM
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you're not accounting for the color scheme that the Tigers wore during the games that Shipley started vs. when he backed up Mafah. He really likes the orange tops better, and also you've got to remember the temperature on the days when Shipley got more carries, because it was colder those days, so his yards per degree Fahrenheit is actually a lot higher. Average fan doesn't get it, because, like you, they look at things like YPC and TD's.
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Re: I disagree.
Jan 4, 2024, 6:15 PM
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You throw out a huge word salad, claim you have stats to support your mush, but don't provide yhe facts. Wow
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Re: I disagree.
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Jan 4, 2024, 6:19 PM
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I love ship but all ya gotta do is go back and rewatch the Notre Dame game if you wanna see what Mafah is capable of when having 80% of the workload
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Re: Seeing some articles on Shipley being a top 3 back
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Jan 4, 2024, 4:40 PM
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He will be an NFL bust---injury prone and lack of ability to run inside
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Name one good NFL RB your coots have produced***
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Jan 4, 2024, 5:47 PM
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Re: Name one good NFL RB your coots have produced***
Jan 5, 2024, 10:21 AM
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Re: Seeing some articles on Shipley being a top 3 back
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Jan 4, 2024, 5:15 PM
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Bc people on this board didn't like his attitude and thought Mafah was leaps and bounds better. There's also a portion of this board and Twitter that's straight up racist and does not like Shipley because he's white. He was ultra productive on a super one dimensional team. Idk why people can't acknowledge he was a great rb while at Clemson. Mafah is great too but brings another skill set.
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Re: Seeing some articles on Shipley being a top 3 back
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Jan 4, 2024, 5:23 PM
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Wow. Did not like Shipley because he was white? That is an interesting take. Mafah did well when he was the primary back and I suppose Shipley may been more productive if not splitting the carries. I don’t buy the race card though.
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Re: Seeing some articles on Shipley being a top 3 back
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Jan 4, 2024, 5:26 PM
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That's nice I've personally seen stupid comments about how a "yt Boi can't play rb in the nfl" and all kinds of other stupid remarks. Not to mention people accusing Dabo of only starting Shipley over Mafah bc he's white.
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Re: Seeing some articles on Shipley being a top 3 back
Jan 4, 2024, 5:42 PM
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If what you have in quotes is one of those examples of stupidity on the race side then I would suggest spending your time on better sources of feedback. There is stupid everywhere - no need to afford it time and mindspace.
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Re: Seeing some articles on Shipley being a top 3 back
Jan 4, 2024, 6:01 PM
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That's fair. you are correct i shouldn't waste a second thinking about it.
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Re: Seeing some articles on Shipley being a top 3 back
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Jan 5, 2024, 12:53 AM
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I haven't seen any of that. I've seen more blind support for Shipley because he's white and they want a Christian McCaffrey of our own.
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For some reason, some people flat out don't like Shipley, and that impacts
Jan 4, 2024, 6:10 PM
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their ability to form anything close to an objective opinion. Of course, opinions are all any of us have to offer, including me, and I'm biased too. I like Shipley, and I think he was a damgood football player for Clemson. Playing RB in the NFL is a different thing though, and I don't know if Ship has what it takes, nor do I have any idea how he projects relative to other available RBs. Either way, I wish him nothing but the best, and hope he gets a real shot at the next level.
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Re: Seeing some articles on Shipley being a top 3 back
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Jan 4, 2024, 7:15 PM
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The man single-handedly willed us to a 10 win season in 2021. Have some respect.
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Re: Seeing some articles on Shipley being a top 3 back
Jan 4, 2024, 7:58 PM
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Ship is a pretty smart boy with that 4.0 GPA. I'm sure he has it all worked out and knows how his NFL career will start.
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Re: Seeing some articles on Shipley being a top 3 back
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Jan 5, 2024, 12:54 AM
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Irrelevant. He can still state facts. Shipley is slow for an NFL back. He's not very agile for an NFL back. He's a terrible blocker. And he's not particularly big or strong. Shipley was a good, not great, athlete with a lot of will to win in college. He is not an NFL talent by any stretch of the imagination.
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Re: Seeing some articles on Shipley being a top 3 back
Jan 5, 2024, 10:24 AM
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This post is Irrelevant.
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Re: Seeing some articles on Shipley being a top 3 back
Jan 4, 2024, 10:44 PM
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I wish Shipley well. I hope he has a long and productive NFL career.
But I will eat your hat if he goes in the top 3 running backs !!
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Re: Seeing some articles on Shipley being a top 3 back
Jan 4, 2024, 11:46 PM
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Top 10 back. Day 3 pick. He produces, can catch out of the backfield, and does the thing NFL teams really value which is pass blocking. Just doesn't have that top end speed that makes college highlight reels.
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Re: Seeing some articles on Shipley being a top 3 back
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Jan 5, 2024, 12:56 AM
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I agree he'll be a Day 3 pick. He's okay at catching out of the backfield, but isn't a real receiving threat because he lacks that speed. He's terrible at pass blocking. Not sure where you got that.
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Re: Seeing some articles on Shipley being a top 3 back
Jan 5, 2024, 10:11 AM
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For the NFL he's the perfect size to be shaped into a Julian Edleman type receiver instead of being a running back.
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Re: Seeing some articles on Shipley being a top 3 back
Jan 5, 2024, 10:25 AM
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Where’s the link?
I've not heard one credible person say that
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Re: Seeing some articles on Shipley being a top 3 back
Jan 5, 2024, 10:27 AM
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I'm not sure he has the vision or the next level speed to be a RB in the NFL....but I certainly wish him the best.
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Re: Seeing some articles on Shipley being a top 3 back
Jan 5, 2024, 4:15 PM
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I think he will be selling real estate in a couple of years.
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Re: Seeing some articles on Shipley being a top 3 back
Jan 5, 2024, 10:28 AM
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I would take him in the 6th round. I would worry about durability.
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Re: Seeing some articles on Shipley being a top 3 back
Jan 5, 2024, 4:38 PM
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I hope Ship is selected very high this year and Mafah high next year. Both super Clemson RB's.
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Re: Seeing some articles on Shipley being a top 3 back
Jan 5, 2024, 4:40 PM
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Ship will not get drafted, let alone very high. RB's are a dime a dozen in the NFL and it is very rare for a RB to be taken in the first two rounds.
Ship will be signed to a practice squad in my opinion.
He had a good career at Clemson and played his heart out. He is not NFL material in my opinion.
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Re: Seeing some articles on Shipley being a top 3 back
Jan 5, 2024, 4:43 PM
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I think his combine numbers need to be impressive. If he does well, he should be fine in the draft.
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