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I'm really enjoying Tom Allen's amazing
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I'm really enjoying Tom Allen's amazing

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Nov 1, 2025, 12:32 PM
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defensive schemes. I don't miss Wes Goodwin at all.

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its clear he basically

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Nov 1, 2025, 12:33 PM
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took this job as a retirement to play grandpa. when he mentioned that after we first hired him. it put up a red flag

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I like how courteous our defensive players have become

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Nov 1, 2025, 12:39 PM
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under his tutelage. Did you notice how no one touched that Duke player on his way to the end zone? Very gentlemanly. They were far far less accommodating during the lean BV years.

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Re: I like how courteous our defensive players have become

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Nov 1, 2025, 1:51 PM
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Our defense was a$$ under Goodwin. You are asking a new coordinator to come in a fix a broken system in one offseason.

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Is there something unreasonable about asking a

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Nov 3, 2025, 6:01 PM
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defensive coordinator to make the defense better, or, at the very least, not make it any worse?

I don't feel as though that's unreasonable. Maybe you can tell me why it is, though.

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Our defense is actually ranked higher this year.***


Nov 7, 2025, 5:17 PM
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Re: Our defense is actually ranked higher this year.***


Nov 7, 2025, 5:31 PM
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Better QB= 7-1 and no one would complain about how team plays if we are 7-1.

That same logic applied to defense is exactly opposite of your defense of the defense here.

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As usual you make no sense. Just a weird obsession.***


Nov 8, 2025, 4:58 PM
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Re: I like how courteous our defensive players have become- Allen has made


Nov 8, 2025, 4:49 PM [ in reply to Re: I like how courteous our defensive players have become ]
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a real impact. In fact he is the only one on the D side to make an impact

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Re: its clear he basically


Nov 7, 2025, 5:15 PM [ in reply to its clear he basically ]
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He's not the only one on the retirement plan hanging out at Dabo's country club.

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Re: I'm really enjoying Tom Allen's bend-don't-break

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Nov 1, 2025, 12:34 PM
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Pork chop got better results than this guy and he was not a great coach. Starting to think he was a bust hire.

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One particularly great facet of this defense is

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Nov 1, 2025, 12:47 PM
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how they effective they are in making it easy for opposing QBs to complete 10 yard passes over the middle every other play.

It really speeds up the game.

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Maybe he could teach OUR offense that in his spare time***


Nov 7, 2025, 2:10 PM
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Cade literally had the most yards of his career last week?


Nov 7, 2025, 5:26 PM
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When Cade isn’t a head case he does very well.

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Re: I'm really enjoying Tom Allen's bend-don't-break

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Nov 7, 2025, 12:40 AM [ in reply to Re: I'm really enjoying Tom Allen's bend-don't-break ]
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pork chop got better results because he inherited a venables trained team. he was replaced as all of venables students graduated and the defense got worse.

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Looks like that may have been part of it. Wes defenses were

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Nov 7, 2025, 5:20 PM
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28th, 8th, then 69th last year.

Allen actually has us a 54th right now. Obviously that needs to get better.

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Re: I'm really enjoying Tom Allen's amazing

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Nov 1, 2025, 1:11 PM
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Wait who hired him????

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Probably the same guy who may have to fire him.


Nov 1, 2025, 1:12 PM
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Best guess.

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Re: I'm really enjoying Tom Allen's amazing

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Nov 1, 2025, 1:30 PM
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It's really amazing how little you all seem to know about defensive football.

What kind of defense is Allen supposed to call without a DL that can hold up against the run or literally anyone in the secondary that can cover a guy man to man? Allen is catching the #### end of poor development by Wes and the rest of a defensive staff he had no part in building.

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That is untrue.

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Nov 1, 2025, 1:32 PM
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I am being tutored by several very knowledgeable TNETTRs and know a lot more about football than I did just a few days ago.

But you're right, if the DL can't get push and the secondary can't handle man coverage, it's probably Wes Goodwin's fault.

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Re: That is untrue.

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Nov 1, 2025, 1:55 PM
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Wes Goodwin set the attitude of the defense the last three years. There's a reason defensive development at all three levels fell off a cliff when Venables left despite the secondary coaching not changing at all. Wes Goodwin completely changed the attitude of the defensive side of the ball for the worse and acting like Allen can fix that in one off-season with all the same rot in position coaches and players in place is naive.

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Nov 1, 2025, 2:00 PM
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The talent was there. Allen has demonstrated no more ability to motivate ( he wanted to be in the box for God’s sake ) while having a fraction of the ability to scheme. He is a complete disaster and you have zero analytical skills.

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Can you ever disagree without a personal attack attached?***

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no...no he can't***

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Re: That is untrue.

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Nov 3, 2025, 4:49 PM [ in reply to Re: That is untrue. ]
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Lots of OC's and DC's call from up in the box. Out of the teams currently ranked in the top 10 six out of the ten team's DC call defensive plays from up in the press box. It's a stupid point you try to make.

FYI--Allen was calling from down on the field Saturday as he did the previous game.

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Nov 6, 2025, 11:28 PM
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You’re arguing against things I didn’t say. I’m well aware that many call from the box and that Allen has moved down to the field. The point was that Goodwin was always regarded as perfectly suited to play calling. It’s a widely held consensus. This issue was presented that he lacked the personality to get the kind of buy-in from players that Brent could. But if Goodwin couldn’t it also stands to reason no one else on the defensive staff was filling this role either. So hiring a new DC and distancing him from role that most needed replacing makes no sense. And the results are showing themselves in real time. The low iq brandishing on this site is really tedious.

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His going to the sideline does not appear to have


Nov 7, 2025, 1:10 PM [ in reply to Re: That is untrue. ]
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made a pawsitive difference. Viztiz is right.

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Are you possibly related to Tom Allen?


Nov 1, 2025, 3:50 PM [ in reply to Re: That is untrue. ]
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Or is it that Wes Goodwin came over and kicked your dog? To blame him for what we're seeing unfold this season is quite the intellectual leap.

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Re: I'm really enjoying Tom Allen's amazing


Nov 1, 2025, 2:04 PM [ in reply to Re: I'm really enjoying Tom Allen's amazing ]
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It's really amazing how little you all seem to know about defensive football.

What kind of defense is Allen supposed to call without a DL that can hold up against the run or literally anyone in the secondary that can cover a guy man to man? Allen is catching the #### end of poor development by Wes and the rest of a defensive staff he had no part in building.




Pork Chop got more out of a defense with less talent. Tom Allen is not the answer. Hiring his son and Ben bouleware was not the answer

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Nov 1, 2025, 5:32 PM
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I think most of the blame lies on Mike Reed. CB play has been horrendous this season. And Terrell been called for PI almost every game this season. Then whoever is coaching the linebackers along with Ben Boulware, they can’t come cover anybody.
Big pass plays of doomed us almost every game.

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I worry Boulware is still the best LB on the team.


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Re: I'm really enjoying Tom Allen's amazing

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Nov 3, 2025, 4:24 PM [ in reply to Re: I'm really enjoying Tom Allen's amazing ]
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That’s BS. I was brought into a broken high school defense and was able to improve what was left over

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Re: I'm really enjoying Tom Allen's amazing


Nov 8, 2025, 8:12 AM [ in reply to Re: I'm really enjoying Tom Allen's amazing ]
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It's really amazing how little you all seem to know about defensive football.

What kind of defense is Allen supposed to call without a DL that can hold up against the run or literally anyone in the secondary that can cover a guy man to man? Allen is catching the #### end of poor development by Wes and the rest of a defensive staff he had no part in building.


You are a sunshine pumping idiot. You don’t think Clemson had talent in the defensive line? Tom Allen has nothing to work with? Lord have mercy how stupid can you be. There is plenty of talent in this team. The coaching just sucks. Did Dabo hire you for director of message board propaganda? Yall cousins? 🤦🏻‍♂️


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Nov 1, 2025, 1:39 PM
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Definitely a disappointment

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Nov 1, 2025, 1:55 PM
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He doesn’t have any talent. Barnes is not only slow but he doesn’t try.

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Neither did Renfrow.


Nov 7, 2025, 1:11 PM
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Coaching matters.

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Re: I'm really enjoying Tom Allen's amazing

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Nov 1, 2025, 1:57 PM
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People are blaming the assistants to maintain the anti-“friends and family” but the reality is that the outsiders, particularly Allen, are absolute disasters.

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Apparently, we can thank Wes Goodwin for this stellar defense.


Nov 1, 2025, 3:51 PM
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I had not thought of that before today.

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Re: Apparently, we can thank Wes Goodwin for this stellar defense.

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Nov 3, 2025, 3:47 PM
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One of Dabo’s biggest mistakes was firing Wes rather than moving him to the box and finding a co-DC with the Venables fire. And I guarantee that our last two coordinators coming from playoff teams is a young ADs idea of “big hires”. Dabo needs to shut out the noise in all directions and start making the kind of decisions he made in 2009-2012. He’s got a lot more to work with now than he had then despite what the doomers on here believe. They’re back to believing 6 straight playoffs was blind dumb luck with an idiot head coach. Never mind that none of the genius head coaches they want to hire have managed anything close - even though it’s so easy.

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Your blind loyalty is humorous


Nov 3, 2025, 4:49 PM
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Wes should not have been fired? Dabo a genius?

Good God.

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He said Dabo made a mistake.


Nov 3, 2025, 6:05 PM
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And he did not call Dabo a genius.

You shouldn't skim viztiz's poasts. They are worth the time it takes to read them through.

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Re: Your blind loyalty is humorous

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Nov 6, 2025, 11:22 PM [ in reply to Your blind loyalty is humorous ]
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The architect of arguably one of the top 3 decades in the history of college football by any team and you think it’s all happenstance. You definitely have the more well thought out position.

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So what youre saying is that Dabo has made bad hires all around

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Nov 6, 2025, 11:57 PM [ in reply to Re: I'm really enjoying Tom Allen's amazing ]
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whether they are “friends and family” or complete outsiders.

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No, you're* saying that.


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Re: I'm really enjoying Tom Allen's amazing

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Nov 3, 2025, 4:11 PM
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Yep .... I hated that scheme when we were in the right place and actually tackled opposing players!

It is also obvious that offensive linemen are much more productive laying on the ground than on 2 feet.

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Re: I'm really enjoying Tom Allen's amazing

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Nov 3, 2025, 4:16 PM
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Wow the stupidity on the “fan” board is unbelievable. Go find the next band wagon to jump on because Clemson is going to be just fine with you.

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Since when is mourning the current state of affairs


Nov 3, 2025, 6:09 PM
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bandwagon behavior?

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Re: I'm really enjoying Tom Allen's amazing

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Nov 3, 2025, 4:38 PM
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The biggest issue is not talent it’s the players knowing what they are suppose to do. They look lost out there especially the secondary.

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Nov 3, 2025, 4:47 PM
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The coaches with no experience and Allen have set up a corn maze for them to navigate. It's the find the QB to blitz scheme. So far, they remain lost in the corn maze and have to be guided out by Allen. That's why he wanted to be in the box during games. He was used to overhead views of them being in the corn maze. Put him on the field and he is as lost as the players.

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He deserves more time.

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Nov 6, 2025, 11:48 PM
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He is only months into cleaning up the mess he inherited, most notably poor player development.

It says a lot when arguably his best player is a portal pickup.

He did great at Penn State, just as Riley did great at TCU. We should be asking ourselves why successful and in-demand coordinators come to Clemson and seem so much worse.

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Like, 15 years' worth of time or .... ?


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Re: Like, 15 years' worth of time or .... ?

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Nov 7, 2025, 5:10 PM
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How about at least a couple of more? By then the Board of Trustees will likely be ready to clean house anyway...

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Nov 6, 2025, 11:54 PM
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Seems like he needs his own coaches with him. Or at least some new ones of his selection

Mickey Conn showing some obvious disconnection with Allen. Is Conn disregarding Allen? Don’t know what it is. But I’ve seen those pictures.

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Hard to lead folks who won't follow.


Nov 7, 2025, 1:14 PM
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Maybe CDS will give Allen the all-clear to purge his side of the house.

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Nov 8, 2025, 3:54 PM [ in reply to Re: I'm really enjoying Tom Allen's amazing ]
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With Franklin gone at Penn State, there's a good chance he'll have the opportunity to bring some in.

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Re: I'm really enjoying Tom Allen's amazing

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Nov 7, 2025, 5:24 PM
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Wes ran the D into the ground for three years. It will take time to turn it around. However, when implementing a 4-2-5, you better have some gap sound athletic freaks at LB or opposing running games are going to feast. Brown is going to be good in whatever system you put him. Alexander has flashed but losing out on Tyler Atkinson was a big deal. Got to go portal shopping for this scheme to work because the Tigers just don't have the dudes to pull it off.

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To your point, I think there may be a few guys out there


Nov 8, 2025, 7:55 AM
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who would not have sniffed the field just two or three years ago, much less five or 10.

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Re: I'm really enjoying Tom Allen's amazing


Nov 8, 2025, 8:09 AM
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Tom Allen sucks. We all knew this from reading posts from his previous team’s fans. Most of them laughed at this hire. If you thought this was going to be a great hire, you had your head stuck in the sand. He’s terrible.

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His 4-2-5 showed some pretty good results at Penn State.


Nov 8, 2025, 8:25 AM
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Unless finishing in the T10 in overall D isn't a pretty good result in your mind.

So, no, can't agree he's turrible. Can agree that 4-2-5 may not work too well with our guys at the moment, though.

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Nov 8, 2025, 10:18 AM
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Placed in a place within the interior of the Department of Redundancy Department.

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